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| Juke Joint Jezebel 2209th Post
 
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|  "SvC BOSS question"
, posted Thu 28 Aug 20:52
everyone says the bosses are "hard." someone please define hard
are they "cheese hard" like aof's Geese, kof's Zero, Igniz, and Rugal of '02?
cheese - the characters' attacks have way too much priority and deal insane amounts of damage. usually, the player is forced to use boring patterns to defeat these characters. (ie. against aof2's Geese, keep a constant pattern of walking and poking. a kick works quite fine. the three kof cheeseheads can be killed by frequent tripping and turtling)
are they "fierce hard" like vs's Demitri and Jedah, and gg's Sol and Testament?
fierce - the computer AI will relentlessly attack you, and won't stop until the match is over
are they "scary hard" like kof99/2000's Kasumi, cvs1 and ff's Geese, and rb2's Krauser?
scary - these characters are the result of an AI gone bad. depending on your movement, these characters react instantaneously. you try to poke Geese, he'll counter you. you try to jump near Krauser, he'll smash you into the ground. and whoever says Kasumi is a weak character obviously hasn't fought against a good Kasumi player or kof99/2000 with the difficulty on high. she's a fuckin demon. other examples of scary characters can be found in Street Fighter II and Fatal Fury II with high difficulty. Yoga noogie / Blanka bite to the extreme
or a combination of any of the three?
sorry if you're seeing double, but i'd really like to hear more opinions
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| OYashiroForever 453th Post
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|  ""Let me be the toker of all bowls""
, posted Thu 28 Aug 21:42
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Somewhat off-topic, by these ratings, does Gill count as cheese/scary?
Gill is 100% USDA approved cheese. Thank Resurrection for that.
Actually, by the scale given here, I'd put Gill in the "scary hard" category. Yes, Resurrection is a pain in the arse, but it really doesn't have much effect once you figure out how to prevent him from getting more than 15-20% on the Resurrection. The Angel super from 3S could qualify as cheese since it does 40% block damage, but if you do block it and live, he's essentially a sitting duck for a free combo.
Really, his power comes from the fact that his low short, low forward chain comes out SOOOO fast and the fact that he perfectly counters much of what you throw out. The key is to be patient and wait for the openings (if you're really good, you'll know how to get the AI to do what you want):
1) Parry the 2-hit Flying Knee and punish him with combo of choice when he lands.
2) Wait for the Chariot Tackle and punish him (usually with a throw).
3) Abuse his weakness to long range moves like Makoto's dash punch, Urien's Chariot Tackle, Alex's Dashing Elbow, and Q's "Dashing move" (whose name I can't remember)
He's challenging as shite, but I don't know if he'd necessary qualify as cheese the way Igniz (assuming you don't have someone with a long jump), Wyler, or "you're already dead" Johann do.
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| Juke Joint Jezebel 2211th Post
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| "YOU'RE ALREADY DEAD" , posted Thu 28 Aug 21:47:
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Well, Orochi Iori/Violent Ken are just...aggressive and react very well to your attacks, so it's like they have instant-reaction AI. They aren't really overpowered, though...but they WILL kick your ass, unless you rely on punishing them for their own mistakes.
I haven't fought Shin Mr. Karate, but Gouki is a lot like Violent Ken only his double air projectile kicks my ass. They're quick and aggressive...and punish you viciously for your mistakes, but they don't have super insane overpowered moves. Erm...can't speak for Athena and Red Arremer.
thank you! that's exactly what i'm looking for
the "hard" part about the SvC bosses is their "fierce" and "scary" (actually, "reactive") nature. this is great. it's been a while since i've seen a hard boss. the crap i've had to deal with in a lot of recent games (yes, Gill's included) is getting old. i don't want to fight a god that has the power to kill me with a single finger. this isn't Dragon Ball Z. give me someone fierce, smart, and skillful. now, i'm really looking forward to this game
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OYashiro makes some good points. Gill kinda crosses categories. even though he has overpowered moves and (imo) normals, the AI knows how to use them effectively. it doesn't just throw shit out at random
by the way, Johann's probably the only cheese boss that i like. of course, i might just be infatuated with the character's atmosphere (voice, stage, music) instead of the character itself. whatever it is, i have fun fighting him
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| TheBeast 1520th Post
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| "Re(1):SvC BOSS question" , posted Fri 29 Aug 00:27
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everyone says the bosses are "hard." someone please define hard
are they "cheese hard" like aof's Geese, kof's Zero, Igniz, and Rugal of '02?
cheese - the characters' attacks have way too much priority and deal insane amounts of damage. usually, the player is forced to use boring patterns to defeat these characters. (ie. against aof2's Geese, keep a constant pattern of walking and poking. a kick works quite fine. the three kof cheeseheads can be killed by frequent tripping and turtling)
are they "fierce hard" like vs's Demitri and Jedah, and gg's Sol and Testament?
fierce - the computer AI will relentlessly attack you, and won't stop until the match is over
are they "scary hard" like kof99/2000's Kasumi, cvs1 and ff's Geese, and rb2's Krauser?
scary - these characters are the result of an AI gone bad. depending on your movement, these characters react instantaneously. you try to poke Geese, he'll counter you. you try to jump near Krauser, he'll smash you into the ground. and whoever says Kasumi is a weak character obviously hasn't fought against a good Kasumi player or kof99/2000 with the difficulty on high. she's a fuckin demon. other examples of scary characters can be found in Street Fighter II and Fatal Fury II with high difficulty. Yoga noogie / Blanka bite to the extreme
or a combination of any of the three?
sorry if you're seeing double, but i'd really like to hear more opinions
Definitely Cheese. Anybody who can do UNLIMITED supers (or who builds up a ridiculously fast power meter) and exceed attacks is cheese material to me. I believe Freeter says it all.
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