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| Abe no Seimei
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|  "Re(1):SVC Infinites"
, posted Fri 22 Aug 02:58
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Zero: air DP + repeat, also a great chip damager (MAX mode required i believe)
Geese: C, fwd+D, dash in and C, fwd+D, repeat..dont even need max mode.
I haven't tried the Zero infinite, if anyone wants to confirm please do.
I'll never see the point of infinites, they are ALLWAYS boring, repetitive and fun killing. As for 100% combo, when I watch a so called high level KOF or so vids, I'm quite often disapointed by the fact that players have no other strategy besides trying to connect there infinite/100% combo/ whatever.
I mean, of course fighting games are about waiting for connecting combos, but they're also about counter, escape, chip damage, mind games and so on.
Sorry for complaining, but if someone explains me how repeating a dragon punch motion ad nauseam could be fun (even if effective in its bloody way), then I'll dig on all that infinite stuff.
悪霊退散！悪霊退散！
怨霊、ものの怪、困った時は
ドーマン！セーマン！ドーマン！セーマン！
直ぐに呼びましょ陰陽師 レッツゴー！
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| iggy 1494th Post
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|  "Re(2):SVC Infinites"
, posted Fri 22 Aug 03:25:
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Sorry for complaining, but if someone explains me how repeating a dragon punch motion ad nauseam could be fun (even if effective in its bloody way), then I'll dig on all that infinite stuff.
Tsukikage : "Maya, you have a thousand visages, you can play every character you want, you just need to become this character..."
Maya : "No, I... I... I don't have this strength!"
Tsukikage : "Yes, you can! for example, try to become one of these persons that use infinites at KOF!"
Maya stays still for a moment.
Maya : "WOOOOOT!!! I WON!! AAHAHAHAHA, YOU'RE SUCH A FUC KING LOOSER!! I OWNED YOU ALL THE WAY!! NO ONE CAN BEAT ME!!! LOOOSER!!!!"
Tsukikage : Good! Now someone used the same infinite against you, and you're really angry!"
Maya : "WHAT DID YOU DO YOU FUCKING FA.G??? SH!T YOU FUC KING CHEAP LOOSER ONLY LOOSERS USE INFINITES FUC K I WILL KILL YOUR FUC KING @SS SO FUC KING BAD YOU WILL FUC KING BOW TO ME!!!!"
Tsukikage, to herself : konoko, osoroshii... osoroshiiwa!
「あ！そっかぁ！さっきのセリフさ、ナンパやったのな。」
「違う！！違う！！違う！！」
[this message was edited by iggy on Fri 22 Aug 03:26] |
| Jason
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| "Re(1):SVC Infinites" , posted Fri 22 Aug 10:13:
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I mean, of course fighting games are about waiting for connecting combos, but they're also about counter, escape, chip damage, mind games and so on.
Actually, and this is especially applicable to a lot of the high level footage you see floating around, because in those cases, money is often involved, fighting games don't really seem to be about any of these things, but rather, about winning. Though the elements you listed often come into play when one is trying to win, reguardless of what one does, the game is designed to kick off the person with less life at the end of the match. This is not to say that one can't appreciate other aspects of a game, for example, many kof fans I know are much more interested in costume changes and speculating as to when mai and andy are gonna hook up than in actually playing the game; however, by the same token, it seems unfair to begrudge people for doing what the game is telling them they're supposed to do.
I mean, where does one decide to draw and arbitrary line in the sand and state 'anything done on this side of the line is ok, but anything done on that side of the line is detrimental to the game'? I've been called cheap for doing everything from calling an assist to DPing someone out of a jump-in to throwing to simply blocking what someone was attacking me with. And most people will say, yeah, that's pretty rediculous, but in a way, it all comes down to about the same thing: seting up an imaginary rule system which caters to what you're doing, and vilifies what is beating/boring you.
Why do people dislike 100% combos/infinites? Because they can usually kill you after starting without any chance for you to do anything. Ok, so what if a game had a 99% damage combo, would that be ok? I mean, it wouldn't kill you. How about a 98% combo? See where this is going? If a definate line can't be drawn, then it probably shouldn't be drawn at all.
Now, there are, of course, exceptions. The easiest to look at is probably ST akuma, who simply does not fit within the context of the game he inhabits, and thus, doesn't show up in tournament play (at least in the US). And mebbe that's what's gonna happen to some of the secret characters in SvC. Meh, but the game's still young. I mean, Slayer has a pretty easy infinite in ggxx, and you don't see people hoaring him all over the place.
meh
As for how this can be considered fun, well, there's nothing inherantly 'fun' about doing a simple combo either. Nor does one generally feel a sudden rush of endorphins every time a DP motion comes out (for arguement's sake, we'll exclude that strange guy sitting in the corner of the arcade who giggles to himself and bounces up and down whenever someone does a super . .. no seriously, he's there more often then he really should be). So, any enjoyment derived probably comes from either the application of the pieces of the game, like combos, or from the outcome.
mmm, but that's just my opinion on the matter.
-Jason
[this message was edited by Jason on Fri 22 Aug 10:29] |
| Mog 261th Post
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| "Re(2):SVC Infinites" , posted Fri 22 Aug 11:41:
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Why do people dislike 100% combos/infinites? Because they can usually kill you after starting without any chance for you to do anything. Ok, so what if a game had a 99% damage combo, would that be ok? I mean, it wouldn't kill you. How about a 98% combo? See where this is going? If a definate line can't be drawn, then it probably shouldn't be drawn at all.
The problem that most people I've talked to seem to have with infinates is that they probably were not an intended part of the game. If something wasn't intended, then it must be in violation of the rules which means anyone who is using it is cheating. Simmilar opinions are held for any other glitches, bugs, and general oversites in game design.
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Meh, but the game's still young. I mean, Slayer has a pretty easy infinite in ggxx, and you don't see people hoaring him all over the place.
True enough, though infinates are rather common-place in fighters as a whole. I mean, can anyone think of a 2D fighter made within the past several years that hasn't had an infinate of somesort or another?
Edit: Forgot to mention that all of this is purelly my opinion >_<
A test of sorts. I'll put up something better later...
[this message was edited by Mog on Fri 22 Aug 11:44] |
| Gen 1935th Post
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| "Re(3):SVC Infinites" , posted Fri 22 Aug 12:56
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Sorry for complaining, but if someone explains me how repeating a dragon punch motion ad nauseam could be fun (even if effective in its bloody way), then I'll dig on all that infinite stuff.
Tsukikage : "Maya, you have a thousand visages, you can play every character you want, you just need to become this character..."
Maya : "No, I... I... I don't have this strength!"
Tsukikage : "Yes, you can! for example, try to become one of these persons that use infinites at KOF!"
Maya stays still for a moment.
Maya : "WOOOOOT!!! I WON!! AAHAHAHAHA, YOU'RE SUCH A FUC KING LOOSER!! I OWNED YOU ALL THE WAY!! NO ONE CAN BEAT ME!!! LOOOSER!!!!"
Tsukikage : Good! Now someone used the same infinite against you, and you're really angry!"
Maya : "WHAT DID YOU DO YOU FUCKING FA.G??? SH!T YOU FUC KING CHEAP LOOSER ONLY LOOSERS USE INFINITES FUC K I WILL KILL YOUR FUC KING @SS SO FUC KING BAD YOU WILL FUC KING BOW TO ME!!!!"
Tsukikage, to herself : konoko, osoroshii... osoroshiiwa!
ha
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| Time Mage 1594th Post
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| "Re(3):SVC Infinites" , posted Fri 22 Aug 13:09
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I mean, can anyone think of a 2D fighter made within the past several years that hasn't had an infinate of somesort or another?
Street Fighter III: Third Strike. No infinites, very few 100%, most of them character-specific (vs Gouki, Ibuki or Remy, usually), and quite hard to do, not to mention impossible to land in a tournament (Except one of Makoto vs Gouki).
THIS is a well-made game.
And despite what some people says, the "big five" (Chun, Ken, Yun, Makoto, Urien) are not that dominant respect the others.
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| VManOfMana
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| "Re(4):SVC Infinites" , posted Fri 22 Aug 14:49
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Street Fighter III: Third Strike. No infinites, very few 100%, most of them character-specific (vs Gouki, Ibuki or Remy, usually), and quite hard to do, not to mention impossible to land in a tournament (Except one of Makoto vs Gouki).
And those are not even infinites. They are 100% combos that include dizzies, but technically are not infinites. It has been explained before (I think Mopreme did) that there is a limit to the amount of juggles (five or six). The only exception may be Genei-jin, which of course doesn't last forever.
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THIS is a well-made game.
And despite what some people says, the "big five" (Chun, Ken, Yun, Makoto, Urien) are not that dominant respect the others.
Cannot agree more.
Jabel D. Morales - VMan of Mana.
http://vman.animecafe.net/
"Tameraeba makeyo!"
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