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Juke Joint Jezebel
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"can't sleep. clown will eat me" , posted Sun 17 Aug 22:20:post reply


my computer is just a virii playground lately

it caught WORM_SPYBOT.GEN (trendmicro info here) late last night. i didn't do anything different except for clicking on the Windows Update icon on the bottom right corner and installing the new updates (i was bored). i'm not absolutely certain that that was the cause, but i can't think of anything else

i remember hearing on the news that the blaster worm's main target was windowsupdate.com and microsoft abandoned that website. it doesn't make any sense since this article says they outsmarted the worm. anyways, it's too bad i didn't remember that important piece of info earlier. after coming back online to get more information on nuking the maggots, my modem went nuts and a few more virii were detected. the piece of crap called for backup! it took me a few hours to stomp on the monsters until they stopped reproducing, but all is good now

six hour boss battle

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oh yeah, other than to get some steam off my back, i made this thread to warn you guys and hopefully get to the bottom of this. for now, i advise everyone to beware the Windows Update icon. if you want to update windows, go straight to their site (http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/). my crusade against virii will never end





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"Re(1):can't sleep. clown will eat me" , posted Sun 17 Aug 22:24post reply


Well screw me in the asshole. After that, let me slap my forehead in surprise. I guess it was that worm that messed up my computer. My computer was really slow today and alot of stuff didn't work. And for once I didn't notice that little window's thing always popping up asking for an update. Guess someone clicked on it and got the virus.
What are it's effects? All I noticed was the computer running real slow. Anything else? I rebooted the whole computer since I don't know dick =/





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"Re(2):can't sleep. clown will eat me" , posted Sun 17 Aug 22:27:post reply


The crap? I double posted but the second post quoted what I just typed...





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"Re(1):can't sleep. clown will eat me" , posted Sun 17 Aug 22:36post reply


Everyone else in my house has been stricken with blaster and a ton of other viruses lately. It's been pretty obnoxious to keep them all in check and make sure everyone was taken care of, but it never bothered me on a personal level... that probably has something to do with the fact that all I use are Macs running OS X, heheh.





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"Re(2):can't sleep. clown will eat me" , posted Sun 17 Aug 22:53post reply


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What are it's effects?

luckily, i wasn't able to feel the full effect of the spybot worm itself. all i noticed was that every time my anti-virus destroyed forty-five copies of it, it'd replicate itself forty-five more fucking times. after everything was done, over five hundred copies of the thing had been destroyed, damn stubborn worm. i did feel massive slowdown a few minutes after being online, which may have been the cause of this program draining my resources, but i honestly dunno what that slowdown was

if Norton didn't detect the virus, try updating it. i'm not too sure what system restore is, but i'm sure someone else can fill us in





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"Re(2):can't sleep. clown will eat me" , posted Sun 17 Aug 22:55post reply


quote:
Everyone else in my house has been stricken with blaster and a ton of other viruses lately. It's been pretty obnoxious to keep them all in check and make sure everyone was taken care of, but it never bothered me on a personal level... that probably has something to do with the fact that all I use are Macs running OS X, heheh.



W A R N I N G-- Below is a rant against Windows

You know, I hate being a jerk about this, but people just "don't understand." My sister has bought two PCs in the last year. She returned the first one and finally kept the second one. She has had almost no problems with them except for a small, getting on the internet difficulty. But anyway, she was blasted by the virus also-- I couldn't help her cause I'm not that knowledgeable on PCs.

Anyway, my point is that some people are just ignorant and some people are just cheap. The IMHO, the Mac OS X platform is a million times superior to Windows. Windows always has virus problems, stability problems, hardware useability problems. Mac OS X is not perfect but folks, OS X almost never gets broken. I get 3 to 6 system freezes in OS X in a YEAR. And the hardware almost always "just works" when you plug it in.

End rant-- sorry about ranting folks. Its just, IMO mind, the benifts to the Mac OS is just so overwhelming that I think I live in a crazy "upside-down" world because Windows is so popular. But whatever. I can't wait till Linux is useable for average people.






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"Re:can't sleep. clown will eat me" , posted Sun 17 Aug 23:37:post reply


I wouldn't even know viruses exist if others didn't tell me. I've never gotten one - never received an infected Email, never had anything try to download or install itself. I don't get spam, either.

My brother's machine (which is no more than three feet away from mine) gets Norton warnings on a daily basis. He regularly deletes Nimda/CodeRed/Worm-of-the-Week messages and porn spam from his inbox.

Both machines run Windows XP Professional and are plugged into the same network. Both machines have Norton Antivirus 2002, and are set up to auto-update themselves with new definitions and patches.

I'd probably say that the user is ultimately more to blame than any other factor when it comes to getting infected with something, but I'd piss off a lot of people by saying that.

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"Re(1):Re:can't sleep. clown will eat me" , posted Sun 17 Aug 23:53post reply


quote:
I'd probably say that the user is ultimately more to blame than any other factor when it comes to getting infected with something, but I'd piss off a lot of people by saying that.



No, it's generally true. Lots of common sense things Windows users can do to prevent trouble.

1. Turn off the freaking preview pane in Outlook. That's not a backdoor for infection, that's like throwing open the front door and nailing it open, and going out of your way to invite trouble, rather than simply welcoming it.

2. Run a firewall. Common sense on any platform.

3. Get an antivirus program and be vigilant about keeping it updated.

4. Only install programs from companies you trust.

5. Run Ad-Aware, because even companies you trust can dick you over, sometimes.

Funny, I only did a couple of those on my old PC with Windows XP, and when I recently took the machine off my network and scanned it for viruses for the first time, there was only one file infected with one virus. It's gone now, needless to say. It seems like people like my sister go out of their way to create trouble for themselves, though.

Oh, and Luisinan, my new 15" PowerBook and I hear you. I kinda wish there was a better alternative for Win users other than changing platform, the Linux community isn't going to make itself better for end users anytime soon. OS X already beat them to making a desktop UNIX for "the rest of us", and they seem less concerned with the desktop, anyway.

Sad thing is, most Windows users aren't looking for an alternative. They're happy with what they put up with. Hell, I was for a long time, too, until I got my PowerBook G3... I'm on my second Mac now and I think I'll be staying. Switching over from one machine to the other was one of the easiest things I've ever done. Transfer my iTunes library across the network, copy a couple files from the library for bookmarks, email, etc... and I was done in no time.

but I'm rambling now.





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"Re(1):Re:can't sleep. clown will eat me" , posted Sun 17 Aug 23:55post reply


quote:
I'd probably say that the user is ultimately more to blame than any other factor when it comes to getting infected with something, but I'd piss off a lot of people by saying that.

nah, you're definitely right. in the most obvious categories i can think of, there's

(1) people looking for trouble
     desc: frequently on warez sites and downloading unknown files off of p2p servers
(2) the naive
     desc: they don't know any better. if they get an e-mail from their [friend or family member], saying it's [insert whatever here], they'll believe it
(3) the reserved
     desc: they rarely get anything. they just use the internet to browse web sites

i'm guessing you fit in the third category. i'm just stereotyping, which i probably shouldn't, but i'm sure there's some truth in it





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"Re(2):Re:can't sleep. clown will eat me" , posted Mon 18 Aug 00:24post reply


quote:

nah, you're definitely right. in the most obvious categories i can think of, there's

(1) people looking for trouble
     desc: frequently on warez sites and downloading unknown files off of p2p servers
(2) the naive
     desc: they don't know any better. if they get an e-mail from their [friend or family member], saying it's [insert whatever here], they'll believe it
(3) the reserved
     desc: they rarely get anything. they just use the internet to browse web sites

i'm guessing you fit in the third category. i'm just stereotyping, which i probably shouldn't, but i'm sure there's some truth in it



You're very correct; I'm more of a "Reserved" user while my brother fits into the first category. I'd also say that other factors play into the situations as well:

- I have my Email address set up under the not-dictionary-friendly "Kaepora" name with my provider's domain while my brother uses his very-dictionary-friendly name under Hotmail.

- I'm pretty miserly when it comes to applications installed and/or running, while he doesn't pay attention until he runs out of space or things stop working.

- I use Opera and Trillian as my Internet access while he uses Internet Explorer and AIM/MSN.

It doesn't have anything to do with computer knowledge in our case; our decisions and behavior is just inherent to our unique personalities. Just so happens I got lucky in my choices, I guess.

I also believe that Mac OS and Linux (fantastic as they may be [I haven't used them]) would have about the same number of problems if they had the sheer marketshare that Microsoft has with its programs. Not the same problems, but a similar number. I honestly think that there are so few issues with non-Windows platforms simply because delinquents aren't going to bother with Mac/Linux when there are so many Windows systems out there.





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"Re(3):Re:can't sleep. clown will eat me" , posted Mon 18 Aug 00:30post reply


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I also believe that Mac OS and Linux (fantastic as they may be [I haven't used them]) would have about the same number of problems if they had the sheer marketshare that Microsoft has with its programs. Not the same problems, but a similar number. I honestly think that there are so few issues with non-Windows platforms simply because delinquents aren't going to bother with Mac/Linux when there are so many Windows systems out there.



Oh yeah, very true... but Microsoft is very inattentive to the huge number of bugs and problems in their software, regardless. They're a very controlling, unfriendly company to deal with. I don't like feeling like my software is "on lease" from them, like it could malfunction at any time or be revoked, or suddenly change the rules on what I can and cannot do. They have a lot of practices that seem very anti-consumer... but eh, a lot of companies are like that, and it just seems to slide. Creative Labs is one of the most consumer-unfriendly companies I've ever dealt with. I don't think I'll ever buy a Sound Blaster card again.

Oh, and props for using Opera. The Windows version of Opera is one of the nicest browsers I've ever had the pleasure of using.





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"Re(1):help arrives" , posted Mon 18 Aug 01:14post reply


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"Re(1):Re:can't sleep. clown will eat me" , posted Mon 18 Aug 03:07post reply


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I wouldn't even know viruses exist if others didn't tell me.

Same here. Never got a virus, I ended up uninstaling any antivirus I could have because it was completely useless. I'm not a top noch programmer who knows everything about anything in his PC, I use XP and IE, I am a P2P addict, but well, I guess I can smell what's safe and what's not. Thanks god I'm not an ostrich.





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"Windows Update Problems" , posted Mon 18 Aug 09:27post reply


Hey. I just loaded XP on my PC and for some reason none of the updates download. I ran through their trouble shooting guide but the fixes didn't help.

I was wondering if anyone else has encountered this problem or knows where I can download the updates without going through Microsoft's stupid windows update scan.





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"Re(1):Windows Update Problems" , posted Mon 18 Aug 17:07:post reply


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Hey. I just loaded XP on my PC and for some reason none of the updates download. I ran through their trouble shooting guide but the fixes didn't help.

I was wondering if anyone else has encountered this problem or knows where I can download the updates without going through Microsoft's stupid windows update scan.



I tried to run Windows Update on my Dad's computer to no avail. I think it is the stress the blasterworm coupled with the mass amount of people who are downloading the fix is doing to the servers.

And the only reason the Mac is free of viruses is no script kiddies feel like going after people with a Mac, nor does anybody want to write a virus. You do not get a pat on the back at Def Con for that lol.





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