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"Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Wed 6 Aug 07:02:post reply


Have you ever played a horrible game that you just can't hate completely because of endearing characters and/or excellent story? Has the opposite happened, with excellent games with horrible stories and/or charcters? Confess now!

While it's not a horrible playing game by any means, just extremely unbalanced and unfun during battles, I could never bring myself to dislike Final Fantasy VI; I like the characters too much. Remove the characters and the game would totally and completely suck, IMO.

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"Re(1):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Wed 6 Aug 07:23post reply


Grandia 2 had nice graphics and a great battle system but the overall plot was so tired I knew exactly what was going to happen 5 minutes into the game. Plus the main guy was so stereotypical and whiney.

Conversely I liked the characters of Wild Arms 3 but the game engine, equipment system and constant annoying battle made me hate it.





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"Re(1):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Wed 6 Aug 07:35post reply


Musashiden. The game was OK, the scenario was completely stupid and self contradictory, but.... but... how can you dislike a game with Topo and her danse party? (let's danse or DIE!!!!)
I still have the .mid of this on my HD. It's hypnotic.
And honorable mention for the flight of the princess (twice) near the end of the game.





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"Re(1):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Wed 6 Aug 08:23post reply


The character designs for SamSho Warriors Rage 2 are just AWESOME, some of the best I've seen.

Sadly the game sucks...





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"Re(1):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Wed 6 Aug 08:32:post reply


The Getaway (PS2). The Guy Ritchie-esk story line kept me playing it long after I would have given up on most any other game. Still, by the time I got to the 7 mission or so the game had frustrated me enough to the point where I couldn't stand to finish it. It just tried far, far too hard to be a movie which only endded up hurting the gameplay.

Nocturne (PC). It's been lost to time now so to speak, so here's a link to the website for those of you who don't remember it (wow, this thing has been up for more than 4 years now). I found both the story and the characters interesting, and the game still has, in my opinion, the best English voice acting I've heard in a game. Still, the gameplay was so ridiculously frustrating (why they made the first mission the hardest of the four is beyond me) that I eventually went back to playing System Shock 2 and DC games.

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"Re(2):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Wed 6 Aug 08:40post reply


quote:
The character designs for SamSho Warriors Rage 2 are just AWESOME, some of the best I've seen.

Sadly the game sucks...



if Warrior's Rage II was on Hyper 64,instead of PSone,it would have been better.





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"Re(3):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Wed 6 Aug 10:54post reply


Two words: Eternal Champions.

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"Re(4):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Wed 6 Aug 11:01post reply


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Two words: Eternal Champions.

Just kidding.

Edit: I am not.



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"Re(1):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Wed 6 Aug 11:17post reply


Hacklagnarok Online.

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"Re(2):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Wed 6 Aug 11:33post reply


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Hacklagnarok Online.

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"Re(3):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Wed 6 Aug 12:15post reply


Shenmue

Frankly navigating Ryo is worse than controlling Lara Croft and it pisses me off when I do not want to walk into random rooms out of curiosity just to avoid the long loading time.

However Ryo's quest to find Lan Di is intriguing.





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"Re(4):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Wed 6 Aug 13:26:post reply


Kakuto Choujin sucks serious ass, but has a character in it who looks and acts like the fighting game version of Tyler Durden from Fight Club, and plays something like a fusion between Steve in Tekken 4 and Vanessa in VF4. Unfortunately, like everyone else in that ass game he has only about five different attacks. That game had so much potential, and was squandered so badly...


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"Re(5):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Wed 6 Aug 13:30post reply


Boku to Maou...or...uhm..what's it called in America? Okage?

This game...was an artistic masterpiece, but just...borderline painful to play. If it was a stop motion movie, or maybe high-budget, stylized animation...it might be my favorite thing in the world.





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"Re(6):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Wed 6 Aug 13:39post reply


I loved Wild Arms but hated the main charas. They lacked charisma and had no originality.





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"Re(2):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Wed 6 Aug 13:43post reply


quote:
Musashiden. The game was OK, the scenario was completely stupid and self contradictory, but.... but... how can you dislike a game with Topo and her danse party? (let's danse or DIE!!!!)
I still have the .mid of this on my HD. It's hypnotic.
And honorable mention for the flight of the princess (twice) near the end of the game.



I agree 100% with this and I also have that midi.





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"Re(3):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Wed 6 Aug 13:56post reply


quote:
Musashiden. The game was OK, the scenario was completely stupid and self contradictory, but.... but... how can you dislike a game with Topo and her danse party? (let's danse or DIE!!!!)
I still have the .mid of this on my HD. It's hypnotic.
And honorable mention for the flight of the princess (twice) near the end of the game.


I agree 100% with this and I also have that midi.



I don't know, I thought the game was completely wacky and fun to play and I liked all of it... oh well.





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"Re(4):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Wed 6 Aug 15:01post reply


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I don't know, I thought the game was completely wacky and fun to play and I liked all of it... oh well.


Oh, and there was this 2 generals of the bad guy, the two girls... One was played by Mitsuishi Kotono I think, and that was even more stupid, because they must appear 2, 3 minutes in the whole game... I don't remember exactly how they disappear (or even if you see them disappear), but what I remember was like "I want to see that girl! I love Kotono so much! Where is she?
...well, she's so much cool, she must be one of the last bosses, you have to fight a lot to have the right to hear her!
...OK, so, now it's the big bad guy. She must be his last general who appear at the last minute to.... oh no, he's dead. Well, it must be her evil plan, she will turn out to be the real final boss and... oh, no, she's not. But she will be in the ending, and she will have plenty of cool lines to... oh, no, she's not.
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WHERE THE HELL IS SHE????"





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"Re(5):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Wed 6 Aug 15:45post reply


I ATE HER

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"Re(6):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Sun 10 Aug 21:37post reply


quote:
Boku to Maou...or...uhm..what's it called in America? Okage?

This game...was an artistic masterpiece, but just...borderline painful to play. If it was a stop motion movie, or maybe high-budget, stylized animation...it might be my favorite thing in the world.



You're refering to Okage: the Shadow King, right? I came soooo close to buying this because I love the concept, artwork, and character designs - but I ultimately declined as I had several other RPG's to play at the time. Sounds like a close call.... Is it really that bad?





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"Re(6):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Mon 11 Aug 08:59post reply


quote:
Boku to Maou...or...uhm..what's it called in America? Okage?

This game...was an artistic masterpiece, but just...borderline painful to play. If it was a stop motion movie, or maybe high-budget, stylized animation...it might be my favorite thing in the world.



Abolutely agree. The first game this thread made me remember was that (Me and Satan King/BokutoMaou).

I'd to add to this list the Toshinden saga. Ive always been a hardcore fan of these games and Its sad for me to see how a great and charismatic license can be blamed just because those lazy Takara programmers >_<






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"Re(1):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Mon 11 Aug 09:51post reply


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Have you ever played a horrible game that you just can't hate completely because of endearing characters and/or excellent story? Has the opposite happened, with excellent games with horrible stories and/or charcters? Confess now!

While it's not a horrible playing game by any means, just extremely unbalanced and unfun during battles, I could never bring myself to dislike Final Fantasy VI; I like the characters too much. Remove the characters and the game would totally and completely suck, IMO.

Any takers?

Edited for grammar.

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"Re(2):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Mon 11 Aug 10:04post reply


Xenogears. The story is excellent, the battle system is unique and fun, and the game really is enjoyable for the full 60+ hours of play time, but I'll probably never play it again, at least not until it's rereleased for another console or someone hacks the game to fix its one monumental problem: text speed. The game has at least one full novel's worth of text, but the text scrolls at a pathetic pace that you can't speed up. Between the PS1 load times and hours upon hours of text that stretch for many more hours that they need to, I know I'll never be able to go back and replay one of my favorite games. I could probably tolerate it for thirty hours or so, but not the full game.

I'd lump most Final Fantasy games in the "great story/bad gameplay" category, as well. FF7 and FF8 both have great stories, but as games, they're easy, repetitive, and at some points just plain FLAWED, like the portions of FF8 where your characters split into two teams and the second team is level 5 or 6 fighting against level 22 or 30 enemies. FF9 and 10 aren't much better in that department, but I didn't like their stories at all, so I guess they don't fit the criteria.





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"Re(3):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Mon 11 Aug 10:23post reply


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Xenogears. The story is excellent, the battle system is unique and fun, and the game really is enjoyable for the full 60+ hours of play time, but I'll probably never play it again, at least not until it's rereleased for another console or someone hacks the game to fix its one monumental problem: text speed. The game has at least one full novel's worth of text, but the text scrolls at a pathetic pace that you can't speed up. Between the PS1 load times and hours upon hours of text that stretch for many more hours that they need to, I know I'll never be able to go back and replay one of my favorite games. I could probably tolerate it for thirty hours or so, but not the full game.



I remember a gameshark code that was posted on TheGIA that sped up the text.





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"Re(4):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Mon 11 Aug 10:46post reply


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I remember a gameshark code that was posted on TheGIA that sped up the text.

You needed to turn it off frequently, it freezed the game. But I still played it again.





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"Re(1):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Mon 11 Aug 12:41post reply


I'm going to say "Rising Zan: The Samurai Gunman"

It's a decent game, but I can't help but feel disappointed by it... I mean if the game had been made for this generation of systems it would be amazing, but instead it remains a PSX game held back by the limits of a crappy system.

blocky characters, zero texture or background detail, choppy animations... A game with a concept as clever and fun as Zan's deserves better then that.






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"Re(7):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Mon 11 Aug 13:14post reply


quote:

You're refering to Okage: the Shadow King, right? I came soooo close to buying this because I love the concept, artwork, and character designs - but I ultimately declined as I had several other RPG's to play at the time. Sounds like a close call.... Is it really that bad?



Hmmm...well, I loved the plot and characters and settings and even the animations, despite having simplistic renders, but it has bad loading time (which is totally ridiculous) repetitive mazes (as in all of them are pretty much exactly the same) and some really frustrating fetch-type quests, one of which I would say is one of the worst ideas ever concieved. The fight system is decent, if not a bit slow, and the boss battles are challenging. It just...tests your patience. If you can get the game for really cheap, and you love the artwork that much...give it a shot, for sure. It's NOT a good game, but it has wonderful elements. Ah...some of the music is cool, too.





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"Re(2):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Mon 11 Aug 17:12post reply


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I'm going to say "Rising Zan: The Samurai Gunman"




Was that the game with the trademark term "SEXY COOL"? I knew I should've tried it once.





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"Re(3):Bad games with good characters/stories" , posted Mon 11 Aug 19:11post reply


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Was that the game with the trademark term "SEXY COOL"? I knew I should've tried it once.



Yep, Zan is the "Ultra Sexy Hero"... and that's not just a silly ad line, he actually says it when he introduces himself to people.

and shame on you for never trying it, dispite it's limits it's a terrific game! (I'm one to talk -_- I played it like 5 years after it's release because I found a cheap used copy)






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