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| Grave 497th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):KOF 2003"
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Some thoughts about what could be delaying the announcement of KOF 2003. Thought some might be interested.
Anyone have opinions on this?
I always have opinions on everything, and I'm also a loudmouth and I don't know when to shut up. Yay.
Lots of good points here, some I didn't even realize I was curious about...
But yeah, SNK probably has the biggest US presence that they've had in years now, with the CvS games getting their characters out to people who may not have noticed otherwise, and I think SvC is going to be noticed a good deal as well. With the PS2 and the GBA games, people who might not have noticed SNK will. So I think 03 is the perfect year for a brand new KOF... all new, everything. Do I think it's likely? No. Do I think it'd be smart? Most certainly.
The US market is a big market, though the arcade scene is pretty miserable. For some reason it never felt, to me, like SNK's fighting games ever really caught on here. Yeah, lots of people played them, but not nearly as many as Capcom's games could draw in. I could be wrong, but I think a brand new KOF on new hardware could be a big thing.
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| CrazyMike 610th Post
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| "Re(7):KOF 2003 for Atomis???" , posted Wed 6 Aug 19:39
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Sounds interesting. Atomiswave is totally sweet. But I got something to say. Dont get me wrong, I love insertcredit.com. It is one of my favorite websites hands down. But some of your game reviews read like the author is drunk on dandelion wine with his cock in his hand. I mean personally i can sum up a game in 5 sentences or less. For example:
Kof 2002 is pretty kickass.
The backgrounds were kinda weak but the fighting was totally radass. Im stoked its coming out dreamcast. It has some similarities to kof 98 which was also radass and better.
Peace and im out.
I say this with the greatest amount of respect you guys are totally kickass.
Are you serious? Please, tell me you're not. Somehow I get the feeling you are, though.
Do you honestly think your "review" is preferable to a long, well-written, in-depth review discussing the various merits and flaws of a game?
I suggest you lay off the dandelion wine and drop that cock immediately.
A long written review is much more enlightening; but I do think the review comparing '02 to '01 is a little unfair.
The main grievances behind the attack on King of Fighters 2002 revolve around the author's belief that '02 does not have the "KOF heart and soul" that '01 has. I tend to disagree. More so than any other SNK game to date,'02 features a much greater selection of cameos of past KOF characters along with characters from fellow SNK games like Fatal Fury and even Burning Fight. My personal belief is that Geese looking out at the sunset in a Japanese garden or the often forgotten Sokaku loading sheep into his hat in Holland has more personality than the scantily clad bikini women dancing that populate '01's environments.
I also found that the remixed theme music for the teams in '02 capture the essence of KOF more than the seemingly random notation in '01. Taking Kim's Fatal Fury 2 theme and Yuri's Art of Fighting 2 theme and remixing them seems to me like Eolith went back to the past and truly brought back the antiquities of the Neo Geo that true fans would remember more so than '01 ever did.
Onto the subject of '02 lacking personality because there was not enough winposes, if you compare the number to '01 it is almost the same amount. Indeed the author begs for a 98 style intro between K' and Clark showing off their sunglasses to each other; yet where in '01 do we see anything special among the characters in terms of unique interaction?
Another fundamental flaw I find in '01 is the praise in character design. To quote the opinion of '01, "The character designs and uneasy overtones tap into the subtle emotional currents that have run through the entire series...It all makes a nightmarish, elegant yet brutish kind of a sense, both internally and in reflection upon all of the past."
The character designs for '01 did not scream of anything. K9999, while still a cool character, is basically a copy of Tetsuo of Akira. And while this may offend some who like the characters, Angel comes off as ditsy and uninspiring (but not in a cute way like Mai does) and May Lee is only a cheap slap in the face for Eolith to give us a mockery of an excuse to throw away Jun (He was hit by a car, how is that not insulting the franchise? Him being murdered by Freeman of Garou: MOTW would of been at least more plausible)
Igniz too is almost laughable. Rugal's megalomania is oozing with style with his own personal battleship, red suit and leapord; this golden boy who lives up in a orbiting space station with his diva mistress coupled with his Fabio long-blonde locks is too much. The whole plot in itself is something worthy of a B-anime film; I can imagine Igniz clawing over the cages of trapped Sailor Moon girls laughing about how he will conquer the world.
Only now can I see why Nests collapsed, when a former boss character like Krizalid who proved to be the most interesting KOF character to come around in awhile is killed off too quick, only to be outranked by a Ken-Doll and made a pitiful striker clone.
But '02 fixes all of this. Sure it is thrown together and lacks direction. But that is why it is a dream match; it adds nothing new to the genre, but neither did 98. Nothing in 98 was new other than the idea of a dream match and yet we all ate it up and still praise it to this day. '02 comes as a breather and relaxes us from the insanity of '00 and '01's plot. Instead of Mike Haggar look-alikes and soap opera-esque plot twists about who is a clone and who is not, we are given a decent fighter that has a mixture of the fighting engine and character/musical references that made the older games in the series great, with the best of the characters of the later series. Rugal is back yet again, while banal, he still proves to be a villain that you can take more seriously than Zero, Igniz, or "real" Zero (Oh memories of Peter Park and Ben Reilly in '01).
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| exodus 1110th Post
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| "Re(8):KOF 2003 for Atomis???" , posted Wed 6 Aug 20:54:
everyone's entitled to their opinion ^_^
And bootation, if that's the kind of review you like to read, that's perfectly fine. Just realize that we're not writing for you, we're writing for the people who *do* want to read lengthy pontificating about games, treating them as living things.
Sometimes it's ridiculous and pointless, sometimes it's not. We're reaching toward the latter every day, I hope.
Now Crazymike, I think you're talking about Eric-Jon's review? We actually had two reviews, one from him, one from me. I think you might be combining the two of them in your argument, but that's fine, as he and I feel pretty similarly about the game.
I'm realizing that "character design" was not the word Eric-Jon meant to use. At least I think that it was not. I'm nearly certain that he was referring to Nona's character art. Which is pretty much as he describes it, regardless of whether or not you like it.
I do think that his complaints about the roster are significant. There may be more cameos, but the way they have the characters arranged is very peculiar. What's more, when he mentions that '98, as a dream match, combined all of the past *systems* of play, and this is perhaps 02's biggest failing.
Anyway, I can't and shouldn't argue in favor of something I didn't write, so if he sees this, hopefully he'll reply himself ^_^
But really, thanks for your comments. We don't get nearly enough intelligent criticism.
[edit] - dead babies
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| Gen 1874th Post
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| "Re(1):KOF 2003" , posted Wed 6 Aug 21:15:
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Some thoughts about what could be delaying the announcement of KOF 2003. Thought some might be interested.
Anyone have opinions on this?
SNK wants to give the other games time intervals of I'd say atleast a month before they put out 2003.
Not just SSZero and SNK vs Capcom Chaos arcade games, but also home versions of past KOF and SNK games they are trying to squeeze out to catch up.
Usually a game would come out, and in the next year a home version other than the home-Neo Geo, Playstation, Dreamcast, etc.
When SNK started to have business problems, I think their games were directly effected. Two of the things that happened are: 1 home conversions started coming out later, and 2 KOF games came out later and later in the year.
Playmore in my opinion is on it's way to business recovery. which will also mean good things for their games. In recent times Playmore has been pumping out home versions of older games pretty fast. This is to catch up. Now they are pretty much going to be caught up with KoF.
So when KOF 2003 comes out, they can comfortably put out home versions in the following year for DC, PS2, etc., without having to squeeze out a previous KOF over due for a home version.
KOFs used to come out in the summer as I have read it... Durring SNK's business problems they came out later and later in the year. KOF 2002 came out late last year. So I figure generally the next KOF which takes place a year later will be scheduled to start production about a year after the previous KOF's production began. KOF 2003's schedule will probably still have it's release pushed back to later in the year. I don't know if Playmore will consciously put effort into shifting future KOFs earlier into the year.
SSZ had nary any news until shortly before the beta test. Perhaps KOF will have less news time before it's release too, though probably a good bit more than SSZ.
Playmore to me sees it's market as niche, and they act like it. Perhaps when they get more comfortable they will attempt broader marketing. I'm sure they count on all us big KOF fans expecting a KOF this year, just like every year. Knowing that we are going to play the game, and perhaps not wanting to show pictures of the unfinished game quite yet given that they might change, they haven't advertised KOF2003 yet.
Playmore has also mentioned working on making Pachinko games. Another hill to get over in the schedule.
I'm sure we'll see something about TKOF2003 in the next 1-2 months.
tid bit:
I asked SNKNeogeoUSA will there be a King of Fighters 2003 available?
four months ago I got this response:
..."Currently we are unavailable to inform you the information
Of KOF 2003, but we are sure it is on the way.
Hope you will be a big supporter of us in the future.
Best regards,
Masa suganami"
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