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"Shockwave fighting game: Teen Titans..." , posted Sun 3 Aug 21:00:post reply


Happened to see one episode of Teen Titans while eating brunch, noted anime influences (or perhaps, more directly, Stinko Man influences). Most noted anime influence was the heroines getting kidnapped with things with tentacles. All is right with the world.

One commercial advertised a fighting game on the show's site section. Fearful of the concept as I was from the commercial, I still decided to try it -- and it's actually not bad for a Shockwave webgame (provided you go right off the bat with the Expert mode). It's 1P one-on-one only, and basics and specials are REALLY limited -- you have to get used to the idea that duck=block here (hence there are no ducking offensives). Plus, some of the stances look... awkward... and some of the music might get on some people's nerves here -- but the game should be at least mildly entertaining, if not actually entertaining. There's a higher platform on the edges of some stages, and there are pre-determined tag-type specials (limit one per each set of rounds).

Teen Titans: Battle Blitz

Though, erm... this is the first DC Comics one-on-one fighting game, isn't it...? [EDIT: Noted below about Justice League Task Force -- thanks!]

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"Re(1):Shockwave fighting game: Teen Titans..." , posted Sun 3 Aug 21:20post reply


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Happened to see one episode of Teen Titans while eating brunch, noted anime influences (or perhaps, more directly, Stinko Man influences). Most noted anime influence was the heroines getting kidnapped with things with tentacles. All is right with the world.


PFFFFFF Starfire is SOOOO not a heroine, she's a whinny little bitch, it's all about Raven my friend, Raven is where it's at!

quote:
One commercial advertised a fighting game on the show's site section. Fearful of the concept as I was from the commercial, I still decided to try it -- and it's actually not bad for a Shockwave webgame (provided you go right off the bat with the Expert mode). It's 1P one-on-one only, and basics and specials are REALLY limited -- you have to get used to the idea that duck=block here (hence there are no ducking offensives). Plus, some of the stances look... awkward... and some of the music might get on some people's nerves here -- but the game should be at least mildly entertaining, if not actually entertaining. There's a higher platform on the edges of some stages, and there are pre-determined tag-type specials (limit one per each set of rounds).

Teen Titans: Battle Blitz


I played it, it's fun but I lost to Plasma[sic] I should play again now that BeastBoy is unlocked, he along with Cyborg and Raven are the coolest

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Though, erm... this is the first DC Comics one-on-one fighting game, isn't it...?


NOPE! there was a Justice League fighting game for the SNES/Genesis... not as fun though and they didn't have a cool theme song on the select screen.

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"Re(1):Shockwave fighting game: Teen Titans..." , posted Sun 3 Aug 22:58post reply


Not the first DC comics fighter.... there was a Justice League fighting game for SNES.





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"Re(1):Shockwave fighting game: Teen Titans..." , posted Sun 3 Aug 23:54post reply


The Teen Titans look like bad western fan art imitating Japanese animation style.





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"Re(2):Shockwave fighting game: Teen Titans..." , posted Mon 4 Aug 05:11post reply


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The Teen Titans look like bad western fan art imitating Japanese animation style.



True...true...

"Imitating" is a very soft word for what I've seen in the trailer.......






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"Re(2):Shockwave fighting game: Teen Titans..." , posted Mon 4 Aug 12:06post reply


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The Teen Titans look like bad western fan art imitating Japanese animation style.



Watch your mouth little boy, there are ladies present!

(but seriously, why would you call it "bad" art, it's quite nice looking actually, far better then a lot of true animes.)






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"700th Post -- or, waitaminnit..." , posted Mon 4 Aug 12:57post reply


And now I'm a member of the 700 -- wait, I've said this already, haven't I? Dammit Shucks.





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"Re(3):Shockwave fighting game: Teen Titans..." , posted Mon 4 Aug 13:00post reply


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(but seriously, why would you call it "bad" art, it's quite nice looking actually, far better then a lot of true animes.)


Seems to me that's a matter of opinion or taste... but so is Gen's statement. I haven't seen it, but they were playing adds for before "Pirates" at the theatre I went to, and the art style looks like a bizarre mix between anime and western styles that, quite frankly, didn't seem to mesh well in my opinion.






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""TIIN TIGHTUNS! GOW!"" , posted Mon 4 Aug 13:04post reply


Hey, Starfire is HOTT!

Well, as hot as an underdeveloped tween could be... But you know how much stuff Robin could get her innocent Virgin self to do? Heh, heh, heh.

Love that Intro Song! "TIIN TIGHTUNS! GOW!"





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"Re(4):Shockwave fighting game: Teen Titans..." , posted Mon 4 Aug 13:19post reply


The oversized mouth deal was done too often, most times without the raised voice and emotions to match. Otherwise, it wasn't actually bad.

Of course, I speak having seen a grand total of one episode ("Sisters").






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"Re(2):Shockwave fighting game: Teen Titans..." , posted Mon 4 Aug 14:12post reply


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The Teen Titans look like bad western fan art imitating Japanese animation style.



It's more stylized than imitation, but who among you can tell the difference anyway. OMG BIG MOUTHS BIG EYES POINTY HEADS ITS LIKE ANIME!!!





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"Teen Titans show and mixed art styles" , posted Mon 4 Aug 16:49:post reply


Dr Baghead
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The Teen Titans look like bad western fan art imitating Japanese animation style.


Watch your mouth little boy, there are ladies present!

(but seriously, why would you call it "bad" art, it's quite nice looking actually, far better then a lot of true animes.)


huh? Just look at it as my opinion.

here is a different example

http://dccomics.com/features/death/index.html
See, here is an English comic drawn in a mimic of Japanese style, for the purpose of mimicking Japanese style. They even use the Japanese word manga to refer to it, "A manga digest". It's marketing. Too me this looks like an imitation of Japanese animation comic style done by someone not Japanese (probably from U.S., Canada...). Further it only looks like a partial imitation of the style, and it also looks mixed with a slight amount Western style. Generally actual Japanese comics, the ones that this is attempting to get it's style from, look better than this Vertigo comic. Here, they share a few pages you can look for your self http://dccomics.com/pdfs/vertigo/deathsdoor.pdf Just look at the way Death looks in the first couple pages and the expression on Delirium in the last shot.
The artist is not terrible, I'm just saying that I don't like this simi-Japanese by non Japanese style.





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The Teen Titans look like bad western fan art imitating Japanese animation style.

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True...true...

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Seems to me that's a matter of opinion or taste... but so is Gen's statement. I haven't seen it, but they were playing adds for before "Pirates" at the theatre I went to, and the art style looks like a bizarre mix between anime and western styles that, quite frankly, didn't seem to mesh well in my opinion.



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It's more stylized than imitation, but who among you can tell the difference anyway. OMG BIG MOUTHS BIG EYES POINTY HEADS ITS LIKE ANIME!!!


Hm, imitating the wrong word?

Teen Titans takes western comic characters, and draws them in some kind of blend of western and wanna-be-Japanese style.

Death is probably meant to be 100% Japanese style, the numbers are not perfect but say it comes out to 85%.

I don't know if it was planned that way, but Teen Titans may have been meant to be 50% English / 50% Japanese style, but it comes out like say 40%/35%, and the two styles don't seem to be blended well.

Another place where we can consider style blending, this time of genres rather than styles from different countries or geographic regions, in music. Sorry but I needed to squeeze this point in here. Where does blending of music not work: rap-metal. Almost none of this genre is worth while. Though I haven't hear them in years, Anthrax did good; Limp Bizkit didn't and for the most part all the other "nu" metal bands didn't. Again it's like they are mimicking the actual heavy metal of more talented predecessors, but not fully getting there; and mimicking actual rap, but getting the actual musical style down like a typical teenaged 1990's mall-wigger I'd see walking around the Galleria with a cane and a fake limp projected through cartoonishly saggy pants and sporting a cockeyed baseball cap had the actual black style down. Then they are taking these two partial versions of different styles and miss-messhing them.
So I'm sorry if that that sounded too negative. No offense, the artist of Death is not terrible, but Limp Bizkit & Friends are terrible!

Now for the positive:

Blending is possible.
There are many styles of music in North and South America including the Caribbean that came about through a combination of African, Americans, and European contributions. Salsa, Samba, Mambo, Calypso, Merengue, etc. These don't sound like two or more unmeshing styles trying to be applied at the same time, nor do they sound like an attempt at mimicking a foreign style.

Some of my favorite video game sound tracks are combinations of Jazz, Rock, traditional Japanese, and metal.

Also note the Italian Western / Japanese Samurai movie connection. In this case the exchange brought good results.

I have read a good amount of English and some Japanese comics where one style benefited from the other.

(Just lately I've been seeing a lot of poor-er stuff via the internet (but sometimes I see good fan-art and other related stuff too!). And I've noticed a trend many comic book fans have noticed - where the big companies notice the sales of Japanese comics and attempt to get that business by putting out mimics of that style. So from a marketing point of view they probably are hoping that their consumers actually do see big mouths and eyes and say to themselves 'like anime!' and then buy it.)

Does anyone else have any examples of where the two styles coming together worked / didn't work?

To show another side of the Judgement Ring...
here is a little news article from Marvel about the X-Men story Dominant Species
http://www.marvel.com/news/?page=all&article_id=71
In this case they actually hire a Japanese artist... With the Death comic we see an English speaking artist mimicking Japanese style for a book with English language characters. Here with Kia and the X-Men we see a talented Japanese artist drawing well known western characters for a western comic...


P.S. the Teen Titans theme song sounds like English-J-pop with melody similar to Secret Agent Man http://www.johnnyrivers.com / http://www.geocities.com/merrystar3/allysongs/SecretAgentMan.htm





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"Re(1):Teen Titans show and mixed art styles" , posted Mon 4 Aug 18:40post reply


Great post Gen.

IMO mixing is great but I have to insist that what I saw in the Teen Titans trailer was something more obvious than a simple inspiration,big mouths or some big eyes...I can't explain without screenshots a long speeches :P...but...who cares? If you people like it's ok..I do like it too in some way (TT theme is cool)...where is the problem of admiting that this serie's creators copied some gags, expressions or...whatever :)?






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"Re(2):Teen Titans show and mixed art styles" , posted Mon 4 Aug 19:03post reply


quote:
Great post Gen.

IMO mixing is great but I have to insist that what I saw in the Teen Titans trailer was something more obvious than a simple inspiration,big mouths or some big eyes...I can't explain without screenshots a long speeches :P...but...who cares? If you people like it's ok..I do like it too in some way (TT theme is cool)...where is the problem of admiting that this serie's creators copied some gags, expressions or...whatever :)?



Yeah, I don't like the style, but I don't care if other people want to like it, that is I'm just sharing my opinion and not bashing people who like the show or trying to convert them.





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"Re(3):Teen Titans show and mixed art styles" , posted Mon 4 Aug 19:43post reply


Kind of nice to see Robin not in Batman's shadow for a change.

Sue me; Robin's my favorite Batman character.





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"Re(4):Teen Titans show and mixed art styles" , posted Mon 4 Aug 19:45post reply


Maybe I haven't been following the DC Comics universe closely enough lately -- but I was surprised to see that the younger version of the Boy Wonder was actually able to kick ass.






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