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| talbaineric 5325th Post
 
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|  "Re(2):... what do you guys NOT like about GG"
, posted Wed 30 Jul 09:15:
I-No was my soul reason for ever wanting to play GGXX. And now that I have,I'm satisfied. ^_^ She's awesome. Even though her boss version is uber-cheap.
Well,here's my two cents,take it or leave it.
I liked GGXX for a while,I really did,after seeing all the beautiful screens,until I actually bought it for the PS2 and played it. The gameplay was awful for me,the characters weren't very interesting for me,other than I-No and Millia,and the fun factor was high at all. The story mode tided me over for like 3 days,until I beat it all,and the mission mode wasn't no fun at all. Not too mention characters like Bridget don't deserve to be in existence(cross-dressing characters aren't my cup of tea). Bleh. And the IK's were just merely icing on the cake.
Normally,I like games that offer a lot and that have beautiful eye-candy,but GGXX overstepped a lot of the traditional 2-D fighting that I've grown to love. Way too much flash invovled. It just wasn't fun to play at all and the characters weren't that great,IMO.
No offense to any fans of it,but...........well.........yeah. *yawns*
*EDIT* Since usually I can't say what I want about something for being flamed here like mad(and that goes for almost anyone with their own views as well)JETT did ask our opinions. And this is mine. Adios ^_^.
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| iggy 1427th Post
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| "Re(1):... what do you guys NOT like about GG" , posted Wed 30 Jul 12:11
I hate the feeling of the game. I really can't explain better. You know, when yuou play a Capcom game, you have that feeling, the way the mooves hit, the way they combo, that are really different from a KOF game, and from a few other SNK games (there is more variety at SNK than at Capcom on this subject).
Well, the feeling of the GG series is very particular, and I really, really can't get a grip on it. And it's a shame, because I would love to love it. Zappa and Bridget...
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| Ultima 310th Post
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| "Re(1):... what do you guys NOT like about GG" , posted Wed 30 Jul 13:34
GGXX is the best 2D fighter out there right now. And this is coming from someone who couldn't stand GGX. It's very strange - I played GGX for about a week, and I found myself disliking it intensely. I wasn't looking forward to GGXX, but then I played it, and for some reason, the new tweaks (separate dust button = awesome) made the game at last feel "right". It's hard to explain. I wasn't the only one either, since none of my friends like GGX, but we found GGXX to be tops.
That said, GGXX isn't perfect. There are a couple of things I still don't like about it - that stupid huge dust cloud whenever you jump is still somewhat distracting, and I wish there were some sort of recovery roll. I also don't like the game's unnecessarily complex damage scaling system, where you have like 3 or 4 things to consider when doing damage. Aside from that, no real complaints really. It's not perfectly balanced, but no game is (and balance is overrated anyway), and there's more variety in this game than any other. The game is rocks with skill (despite its scrubby surface - it has much in common with the VS. games in that regard), and is still pretty fun to play at high levels, even though it does have its own share of stupidity.
GGXX is indeed the logical successor to Dark Stalkers, since that's the series it has the most in common with.
To the person who said Dizzy was too strong: Dizzy is actually one of the worst characters in the game now. She has almost no defense to rushdown, her mobility has been seriously reduced, and still gains tension extremely slowly.
Since when is there guard-crushing in the game? Also, since when is there turtling except for maybe occasionally with Testament or Baiken? The game's mainly a rushdown fest.
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| Mog 253th Post
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| "Re(2):... what do you guys NOT like about GG" , posted Wed 30 Jul 14:05:
I'm probably shouldn't be responding to this post give that I like GGXX, but I've heard enough complaints about the game to be able to offer some input.
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Well, the feeling of the GG series is very particular, and I really, really can't get a grip on it. And it's a shame, because I would love to love it. Zappa and Bridget...
Yeah, a number of people I know have complained about that, myself included at one point. The gameplay feels very, very different from most any of the fighters put out by SNK or Capcom, and it can be rather difficult to adjust to. While I finally managed to adjust to the gameplay and learned to like the series, a lot of my friends just couldn't get it and went back to CvS2 and 3rd Strike. I'm going out on a limb here, but in someways GGXX might be to fighters what Radiant Silvergun was to SHMUP's in that a lot of traditional 2D-fighting enthusiasts have a hard time liking the game based on the changes it makes to the 'classic formula'. I'm not trying to directly compare GGXX to RS (a game I still have yet to play), but rather that they seem to have caused a somewhat similar reaction from the community. It's just a thought though, please take it as such.
Anyways, the most common complaint I've heard has actually already been mentioned; the fact that Bridget exists at all. I've heard similar complaints about Testament and Anji from people as well though. Some people just don't seem to like ambiguously gendered characters I suppose. Also, I've heard some people complain that the game has too many sub-systems, and as a whole is too complex for its own good.
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i haven't played it as much as i'd like to, which may be the cause of my opinion, but i heavily dislike the separate dust button. it makes me want to kill your family. oh, and also i dislike the ultra-heavy Bloodstained Lineage, but that's irrelevant
I held the same opinion at first. However, since they added the bursts, moving dusts to a separate button helped reduce the number of multi-button commands a player had to keep track of, which is probably good thing. The concept of it still feels a little scrubby, but the reality of it isn't that bad once you get use to it. Well, in my opinion at least....
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| pointystick 1052th Post
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| "Re(2):... what do you guys NOT like about GG" , posted Wed 30 Jul 18:18:
I believe that GGXX's animation is inferior to the latest Capcom or SNK games not in number of frames or anything obvious like that, but in more subtle things that I can't really quantify. It's just harder to track people's movement for me, it might have something to do with the game being so damn fast. There are a few animations of insanely high quality, but I find it inconsistant over all.
Besides that, I just don't like the gameplay as much, there is less of an emphasis on the power and effectiveness of individual attacks, it doesn't jive with me as much as SNK or Capcom's games do.
Besides what I think, of all my fighting games, GGXX is usually the least liked by my non-fighting game crazy friends. It's just too wild, fast, weird and complicated.
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| the REAL master
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| "Re(5):... what do you guys NOT like about GG" , posted Wed 30 Jul 23:47
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I'm kinda curious if you'd elaborate on what about the game you didn't really like, besides that it "fucking sucks" and it's "like a shitty version of darkstalkers with a bunch of freaks in it." Gameplay complaints, I mean. I thought the whole point of this thread was to understand why exactly people didn't like it, the specifics. I'm not saying what you said isn't a perfectly valid reason to like or dislike a game, everybody's taste is really different. But I'd like to know a bit more.
Oh my bad that was a spur of the moment post, well I don't like certain features like........:
instant kills,which comes off to me as seriously cheesy.
punches and kicks which are like ghouls and slime coming out of the ground.
the way when you get their life bar down to near nothing it takes like jab damage when u do a fierce move.
and dont get me started on that tension gauge, it's almost as bad as the AOF spirit meter, I don't turtle, but still that stupid meter is vital to the game so if u get rushed down trying to play defensive your ass is grass. not to mention most of the vital features take up 50% of the thing,..
and the dust attacks are just completely useless what exactly is the point? they're hard to pull off and do like no damage.
As well as the the combo system it's as if they took darkstalkers, blackheart, shuma gorath and the samurai showdown 4 slash system and jammed a bunch of freaks in it.
rarely any good combos, nice visuals but nothing special, made it so technical that its crap, I think its popular just because people want an alternative to SNK and capcom w/o going 3d... but meh those are my opinions nothin against fans of the game
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| Ammadeau 344th Post
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| "Re(6):... what do you guys NOT like about GG" , posted Thu 31 Jul 03:18
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Oh my bad that was a spur of the moment post, well I don't like certain features like........:
instant kills,which comes off to me as seriously cheesy.
punches and kicks which are like ghouls and slime coming out of the ground.
the way when you get their life bar down to near nothing it takes like jab damage when u do a fierce move.
and dont get me started on that tension gauge, it's almost as bad as the AOF spirit meter, I don't turtle, but still that stupid meter is vital to the game so if u get rushed down trying to play defensive your ass is grass. not to mention most of the vital features take up 50% of the thing,..
and the dust attacks are just completely useless what exactly is the point? they're hard to pull off and do like no damage.
As well as the the combo system it's as if they took darkstalkers, blackheart, shuma gorath and the samurai showdown 4 slash system and jammed a bunch of freaks in it.
rarely any good combos, nice visuals but nothing special, made it so technical that its crap, I think its popular just because people want an alternative to SNK and capcom w/o going 3d... but meh those are my opinions nothin against fans of the game
I don't mean this to be any way insulting... but you really know very little about GGX2. I could go into detail, but most of the things you say are off-base.
Instant kills for instance, you have to be the worst player in the world to fall for one of those. They are strictly only to be used against the CPU. And it gives you a heck of a lot of time before it deducts your tension gage for turtling. If you just air dash or something towards the opponent, it won't deduct on you so you don't even need to attack. The gauge also builds up really fast so using up half a gauge is no big deal, it's just there to keep the play balance. And dust attacks are so far from useless it's not even funny...
People like it because it's friendly to newcomers and at the same time rewarding to those willing to put some time into learning the naunces of its systems. I have a ton of Capcom and SNK fighters. I don't need to play GGX2 because its different. I play it because it's really fun.
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| UnCauzi
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| "Re(6):... what do you guys NOT like about GG" , posted Thu 31 Jul 05:35
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I'm kinda curious if you'd elaborate on what about the game you didn't really like, besides that it "fucking sucks" and it's "like a shitty version of darkstalkers with a bunch of freaks in it." Gameplay complaints, I mean. I thought the whole point of this thread was to understand why exactly people didn't like it, the specifics. I'm not saying what you said isn't a perfectly valid reason to like or dislike a game, everybody's taste is really different. But I'd like to know a bit more.
Oh my bad that was a spur of the moment post, well I don't like certain features like........:
instant kills,which comes off to me as seriously cheesy.
punches and kicks which are like ghouls and slime coming out of the ground.
the way when you get their life bar down to near nothing it takes like jab damage when u do a fierce move.
and dont get me started on that tension gauge, it's almost as bad as the AOF spirit meter, I don't turtle, but still that stupid meter is vital to the game so if u get rushed down trying to play defensive your ass is grass. not to mention most of the vital features take up 50% of the thing,..
and the dust attacks are just completely useless what exactly is the point? they're hard to pull off and do like no damage.
As well as the the combo system it's as if they took darkstalkers, blackheart, shuma gorath and the samurai showdown 4 slash system and jammed a bunch of freaks in it.
rarely any good combos, nice visuals but nothing special, made it so technical that its crap, I think its popular just because people want an alternative to SNK and capcom w/o going 3d... but meh those are my opinions nothin against fans of the game
Not to bash you, but like someone said, you really don't know anything about the game. Not surprising, it's hard in todays day and age to pull people away from the same old, same old. That's why whenever a new game comes out people bitch about why certain old characters aren't in it, or why it doesn't play like this or that blah.
The biggest reason I think so many people are turned off by it however is that the animations and so forth are pretty distracting for some characters like say Zappa/Zato/Dizzy. It makes their brain say "Wtf" and just toss it aside.
After certain attacks I STILL can't tell what the hell certain characters are doing. I can get the general idea, in example Dizzys jumping dust, or Zappas jumping Fierce. Unless you really pay attention it's kind of like, huh?
But technically on the game your waaaaaay off. I think that in order for you to get a good idea about how the game is played it may be a good idea to get some match videos from say #gamecombos cat on efnet IRC.
If you know what that is. You'll see some impressive combos and setups, but I guess you'll only appreciate them if you look into the game further.
Like when I first saw true "Venom Rushdown" I was amazed, but I only appreciated it once I had learned the basics of the game. Really hot stuff.
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| NARUTO 1672th Post
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| "Re(7):... what do you guys NOT like about GG" , posted Thu 31 Jul 06:20
Since I realy need to hurry I'll says what I don't like in the GGXX series even if someone already mentioned it:
no background/stage for every one.
IK who are to much different for character to another, some have a "cinematic" like (I-no, Jam, Faust) some a "stupid" super like (Ky, Sol, millia) and Dizzy didn't one...Cheap...
AND FInaly this VERY HUGLY color swap on the characters, Potenkin whit blue, red, Green ...skin is stupid so do Eddy whit a Purple, blue, green...shadow....
Can't they let the original skin and hair color to the characters and only change the clothes???????????
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| eight one
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| "Re(7):... what do you guys NOT like about GG" , posted Thu 31 Jul 12:01
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I'm kinda curious if you'd elaborate on what about the game you didn't really like, besides that it "fucking sucks" and it's "like a shitty version of darkstalkers with a bunch of freaks in it." Gameplay complaints, I mean. I thought the whole point of this thread was to understand why exactly people didn't like it, the specifics. I'm not saying what you said isn't a perfectly valid reason to like or dislike a game, everybody's taste is really different. But I'd like to know a bit more.
Oh my bad that was a spur of the moment post, well I don't like certain features like........:
instant kills,which comes off to me as seriously cheesy.
punches and kicks which are like ghouls and slime coming out of the ground.
the way when you get their life bar down to near nothing it takes like jab damage when u do a fierce move.
and dont get me started on that tension gauge, it's almost as bad as the AOF spirit meter, I don't turtle, but still that stupid meter is vital to the game so if u get rushed down trying to play defensive your ass is grass. not to mention most of the vital features take up 50% of the thing,..
and the dust attacks are just completely useless what exactly is the point? they're hard to pull off and do like no damage.
As well as the the combo system it's as if they took darkstalkers, blackheart, shuma gorath and the samurai showdown 4 slash system and jammed a bunch of freaks in it.
rarely any good combos, nice visuals but nothing special, made it so technical that its crap, I think its popular just because people want an alternative to SNK and capcom w/o going 3d... but meh those are my opinions nothin against fans of the game
Not to bash you, but like someone said, you really don't know anything about the game. Not surprising, it's hard in todays day and age to pull people away from the same old, same old. That's why whenever a new game comes out people bitch about why certain old characters aren't in it, or why it doesn't play like this or that blah.
The biggest reason I think so many people are turned off by it however is that the animations and so forth are pretty distracting for some characters like say Zappa/Zato/Dizzy. It makes their brain say "Wtf" and just toss it aside.
After certain attacks I STILL can't tell what the hell certain characters are doing. I can get the general idea, in example Dizzys jumping dust, or Zappas jumping Fierce. Unless you really pay attention it's kind of like, huh?
But technically on the game your waaaaaay off. I think that in order for you to get a good idea about how the game is played it may be a good idea to get some match videos from say #gamecombos cat on efnet IRC.
If you know what that is. You'll see some impressive combos and setups, but I guess you'll only appreciate them if you look into the game further.
Like when I first saw true "Venom Rushdown" I was amazed, but I only appreciated it once I had learned the basics of the game. Really hot stuff.
Very well said. I couldn't have said it better, myself.
This game has nowhere to go but up. Then again, it's already up there, so the sky's the limit, eh?
If people look past the animation and the flashy graphics, you definitely have a solid fighter that has enough of it's own style remain strong at arcades.
Who the heck uses IKs anyway?
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| UnCauzi
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| "Re(8):... what do you guys NOT like about GG" , posted Thu 31 Jul 14:35
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I'm kinda curious if you'd elaborate on what about the game you didn't really like, besides that it "fucking sucks" and it's "like a shitty version of darkstalkers with a bunch of freaks in it." Gameplay complaints, I mean. I thought the whole point of this thread was to understand why exactly people didn't like it, the specifics. I'm not saying what you said isn't a perfectly valid reason to like or dislike a game, everybody's taste is really different. But I'd like to know a bit more.
Oh my bad that was a spur of the moment post, well I don't like certain features like........:
instant kills,which comes off to me as seriously cheesy.
punches and kicks which are like ghouls and slime coming out of the ground.
the way when you get their life bar down to near nothing it takes like jab damage when u do a fierce move.
and dont get me started on that tension gauge, it's almost as bad as the AOF spirit meter, I don't turtle, but still that stupid meter is vital to the game so if u get rushed down trying to play defensive your ass is grass. not to mention most of the vital features take up 50% of the thing,..
and the dust attacks are just completely useless what exactly is the point? they're hard to pull off and do like no damage.
As well as the the combo system it's as if they took darkstalkers, blackheart, shuma gorath and the samurai showdown 4 slash system and jammed a bunch of freaks in it.
rarely any good combos, nice visuals but nothing special, made it so technical that its crap, I think its popular just because people want an alternative to SNK and capcom w/o going 3d... but meh those are my opinions nothin against fans of the game
Not to bash you, but like someone said, you really don't know anything about the game. Not surprising, it's hard in todays day and age to pull people away from the same old, same old. That's why whenever a new game comes out people bitch about why certain old characters aren't in it, or why it doesn't play like this or that blah.
The biggest reason I think so many people are turned off by it however is that the animations and so forth are pretty distracting for some characters like say Zappa/Zato/Dizzy. It makes their brain say "Wtf" and just toss it aside.
After certain attacks I STILL can't tell what the hell certain characters are doing. I can get the general idea, in example Dizzys jumping dust, or Zappas jumping Fierce. Unless you really pay attention it's kind of like, huh?
But technically on the game your waaaaaay off. I think that in order for you to get a good idea about how the game is played it may be a good idea to get some match videos from say #gamecombos cat on efnet IRC.
If you know what that is. You'll see some impressive combos and setups, but I guess you'll only appreciate them if you look into the game further.
Like when I first saw true "Venom Rushdown" I was amazed, but I only appreciated it once I had learned the basics of the game. Really hot stuff.
Very well said. I couldn't have said it better, myself.
This game has nowhere to go but up. Then again, it's already up there, so the sky's the limit, eh?
If people look past the animation and the flashy graphics, you definitely have a solid fighter that has enough of it's own style remain strong at arcades.
Who the heck uses IKs anyway?
IK= nothing but an excuse to not learn how to play the game for non GGXX players. Unless they were the unfortunate recieving end of the slayer infinite into IK. Which I agree is BS but hardly reason to hate the entire game.
Seriously just instant kill activation is begging to lose your air block vs grouded attacks and losing your burst entirely.
It's more like "Please kill me" than instant kill =)
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| Ultima 311th Post
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| "Re(9):... what do you guys NOT like about GG" , posted Thu 31 Jul 20:37
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IK= nothing but an excuse to not learn how to play the game for non GGXX players. Unless they were the unfortunate recieving end of the slayer infinite into IK. Which I agree is BS but hardly reason to hate the entire game.
I'd have to say that May's IK is reasonably useful, when used in conjunction with her massively stunning f+p. Yes, I know May sucks, but I have lost a couple rounds here and there from rushing down May and running into too many f+ps, getting stunned, and IKed. Oh well. :p
In terms of GGXX complaints, I can fully understand disliking the characters, because most of the characters ARE that out there. I've gotten used to them myself, much like I've gotten to the freaks of the SF3 series (and I use several of them myself), because the gameplay is that good. I always liked Dizzy, but I'm a big fan of Sol as a character now (Hi BoF! ^_^).
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| israfel
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| "Re(10):... what do you guys NOT like about G" , posted Thu 31 Jul 20:54
i really like guilty gear XX a lot. The gameplay feels nice, Sol and Millia feel like they have been toned down a little, and it is just fun. I agree about the insta-kills, it seems they added about a second of lag to the startup of all of them, they are incredibly easy to defend/avoid.
As for the character designs/BGs/general "feel" of the game, i love it. Normally, i don't go for things that are flashy or Xtreme with 15 levels of lens flare, but GGXX just takes everything way too far, but with a certain sense of style and purpose to it. It reminds me of SNK designs gone crazy (although some designs are a little weak)
IMO, i think the GGXXs gothic future metal kinda designs blow darkstalkers out of the water. I have never been a fan of DS monster freak style designs, except for a few exceptions.
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| Time Mage 1565th Post
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| "Re(3):Re(10):... what do you guys NOT like ab" , posted Fri 1 Aug 06:14
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The number one reason to like GGX2 is Slayer, since his character design is a carbon copy of one of the coolest anime villians of all time. :)
What one? I'm curious. I like Slayer because of his design, his attitude, and his gameplay. Being basically a Capcom player, I adapted to his style easier than, say, Chipp or millia. in fact, I use two "pokers": Slayer and Axl.
P.D.: Of course, I also use combos, poking is not enough in this game.
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| Undead_Fred 788th Post
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| "Re(4):... what do you guys NOT like about GG" , posted Fri 1 Aug 13:42
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I know I'm really in the minority here but there are two things I can't stand about GGXX (and the GG series in general).
1) The butt-rock soundtrack
2) The abundance of butt-rock references and trappings
As you can probably tell, I really hate classic rock/old school metal. I can't stand GG's music and suffering through images like Eddie 'Hell' stage or listening to Bridget's stage theme simply makes my skin crawl.
I am so adverse to these things I never even played my copy of the original GG (I experienced the 'metal-trappings' after watching a friend play his copy). Yet when GGXX came out, I was so fascinated by the gameplay reports I'd read I had to buy it. And despite my continuing adversion to butt-rock, I've never regretted it. GGXX has great character designs, a solid fighting engine, and tons of awesome play modes. All and all one of the best fighters I've ever played.
I agree about the music and "old-school metal" look.... I'm a big metal fan, but I don't like the glam rock days of metal at all (which is where they get a lot of the names and text design and blah blah blah as well as music). That's one of the only things I didn't like about the GG series.
Someone mentioned putting Felicia and BB Hood in there... I couldn't agree more. Actually, if EVERY FIGHTING GAME EVER had Felicia, Cham-Cham, and Yamazaki in it, I'd be a happy man. :D
As for other comments about the characters- personally, I didn't like Eddie/Zato and Anji. I don't care for Venom's character design, but his moves are pretty cool and he's fun to use. Dr. Faust is half stupid and annoying, half funny and fun-to-use, so I can't really say whether I like him or not. I the ones I use the most are I-no and Zappa (*crackle-crackle-pop-pop-CRUNCH!!!*). I also like Johnny... Ukyo Tachibana is one of my all-time SS favorites, and Johnny reminds me of him.
Personally, I like Bridget. I still think it was a dirty, dirty trick to make Bridget a guy, but the yo-yo tricks are fun to set up and use (TEDDY BEAR RAZOR BLADE! GO!!!). I think a big reason why I hate Anji is that (to me) he's just a Benimaru with fans and more muscles. He's too effeminate... and his one-hit kill is absolutely useless (I use those things on the bosses.... GG bosses are pretty freakin' cheap). I mean, how much more could you telegraph an instant kill than by flying backwards... waiting a second... then coming back in on a dragon? "MY GOD... you... you blocked that??? Maybe if I take LONGER to strike, they may get bored and NOT block it." The only time I've ever used Anji was when I had to get all of his endings out of the way. Same with Eddie.
As for which one I like better (GGX or GGXX), I'd definitely say GGXX. No speaker destruction, plus it has MODES- INCLUDING STORY MODE. Thank you, Mr. Replay Value. I like having stuff to unlock, plus there's that Mission mode with very very tricky challenges to try. The multiple endings are great, but kind of tough to figure out without cheating.
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Bridget is banged like a girl by two men and takes a lot of their sperm
HA HA HAAAA!!! I was eating lunch when I read this... I laughed so hard I almost choked to death.
Oh boy! It's summertime!
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