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| Mog
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|  "Re(5):xenosaga2 : xeno eyes"
, posted Wed 16 Jul 09:48
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Man, based on just the looks, I can't link most of the characters to the first game anymore. It's going to take some reacquainting if/when playing the next game... They could have done with new costumes though.
Definitely. It doesn't even look like the same game anymore. Though staff and art style changes would at least explain both the lack of information on the game, and why it missed its 'original' release date (going of Takahashi's plan to have the game released in yearly increments). I've got some doubts about the images (probably nothing more than a subconscious dislike of change), but we'll probably know for sure next week.
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I wonder why the sudden change though? Staff-level changes aside, graphical changes of this level's normally to attract new players, yet logically new players wouldn't want to play episode 2 without episode 1 first. And with sudden changes of this level, they run the risk the chance of messing up and alienating the existing fanbase they have already aquired.
Again, I agree. I wonder if Namco had anything to do with the change. Being that Xenosaga did not meet its expected sales in Japan, it's quiet possible that they may have requested changes to the game's core in order to widen its appeal. Just a thought.
OT - Ah, like your avatar Zepy, where's it from?
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In picture 2, there is someone named Jin Uzuki, who is Shion's brother. He looks like Citan, it says that he uses a sword as well. Things are starting to make more sense...
Yeah the TGS 2001 Xenosaga trailer made it look as if he was going to be a prominent character in Episode I (it showed him fighting Margulis and talking with Chaos for those who didn't see/remember it), but then all we ended up getting was a brief clip of him standing at a cliff in the credits.... grrrrr.... Hopefully he'll have a bigger role in Episode II.
GameStop customer quote of the moment: "A friend of mine is a professional assassin so I'm sure I would be good at Hitman 2."
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| Mog
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| "Xenosaga II, new thoughts...." , posted Thu 17 Jul 09:40
A reply to some of my own thoughts....
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I've got some doubts about the images (probably nothing more than a subconscious dislike of change), but we'll probably know for sure next week.
Crap, at least 7 gaming news sites (some reputable, some not) have posted these pictures now, so I guess it's official. Oh well, I'll live at least. There still seems to be a bit of a discrepency on who the lead charcater will be though (3 different characters have been listed thus far). Wish those scans were higher quality, so I could actually read them...
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Again, I agree. I wonder if Namco had anything to do with the change. Being that Xenosaga did not meet its expected sales in Japan, it's quiet possible that they may have requested changes to the game's core in order to widen its appeal. Just a thought.
Ah, something just came to me. I remember hearing that Tetsuya Takahashi originally intended Xenogears to be a 2D game, but part way through the development cycle he desided he would rather have it be 3D. The Xenogears team didn't want to throw out all the work they had done however, so they decided to make it part 2D and part 3D. If that is indeed true, then the Episode II character designs could be just another case of him not being able to make up his mind. More things to consider....
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| Mog
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| "Re(2):Xenosaga II, new thoughts...." , posted Thu 17 Jul 14:40:
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I admit that Xenosaga was challenging at first, but after I got a little far in the game it became a cakewalk.
Right, once you learn that the battle system is all about power-gaming it becomes rather easy. You just save all you tech points for one hurt everything Deathblow, and then use nothing but that for the rest of the game. Hopefully this is something that will be tweaked a good deal in Episode II. All they really need to do is to beaf up the Ethers (though they're a hell of a lot better than the ones in Xenogears) and AWGS, add more balance and varriation to physical combat, and the system should be fine.
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Um, no, they are most definitely related. Among other things, Albedo's giant AGWS is the Xenogears, I am almost sure of it. The end of the Xenosaga storyline will be where Xenogears begins.
Shimeon is the both the name of Albedo's AWGS and of one of the Anima Relics in Xenogears. Just how much significance there is in this unknown though.
And, in repsonce to Zepy, Pointystick, and Gojira's posts about the connection between Xenogears and Xenosaga.
Excert from a GameSpot Interview with Tesuya Takahashi:
" But with our relation between Square, I think it is difficult for us to say it is a direct sequel or prequel. It's probably more suitable to say that it follows the direction and style of Xenogears."
So he's saying that there is some sort of relationship between the two, but he's not telling us just how close that relationship is. However, there are several events in Xenosaga that fit into the timeline laid out in the Xenogears Perfect Works, it just isn't where you would expect it to be. Still, it's all speculation at this point, so the only person who really knows is Takahashi himself.
For those of you who are interested, Edward Chang has complied a list of connections between the two games in a nice, but spoiler-ridden FAQ. Likewise, The Ethos Sanctuary is a good place to get Xenosaga/gears info, especially for their partial translation of XG Perfect Works.
Edit: Forgot to add that Edward's FAQ is based off of his opinions, and is by no means offical. Still, he does a far better job of explaining the whole thing than I do.
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| Mog
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| "Re(4):Xenosaga II, new thoughts...." , posted Thu 17 Jul 14:58:
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I've read some of that perfect works, and it's quite amazing how much of the history they fleshed out. I'm trying to imitate with some of my writing, and it's taken me a few months of on and off writing to complete about 1/5th of the backstory!
Tell me about it, but that's probably why I enjoy it so much. There's just so much story for me to dig around in.
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Looking at all that stuff, it's easy to see why they could make five episodes out of that story.
It's going to be 6 episodes, not 5 :P Seriously though, it may only end up being 2 if this one doesn't sell :( Lets hope he can finish the the series.
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On another note, I almost wish that Xenosaga 2 would have completely new characters... then in Xenosaga 3 the original Xenosaga characters and the new characters could join together... it would be quite interesting ... =)
Don't think that's going to happen, but there are potential spoilers there, so if you want to know reasoning for it, talk to me on AIM sometime. My screen name is ChippZannff (go dyslexia!).
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http://www.caltrops.com/review0012.html
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| "Re(9):xenosaga2 : xeno eyes" , posted Thu 17 Jul 20:41
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Actually, as far as I know, while they're related in some ways, they're not directly related. As in, Xenosaga is an alternate universe. So the story can be expected be a slightly different by the time it goes into Xenogears in episode 5.
I and several others recall reading about how the creator of Xenogears wanted to do more with the series but deadlines and pressure from Square forced him to cut and change a lot of stuff, and now that he's off from Square and with Namco, he wants to redo Xenogears completely thanks to that, and thus the Xenogears we know and love is... er, well, not canon, but there will be a new version of it that will be. ...eventually. ...er, yea. Memory could be off, though.
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