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Mosquiton

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"Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Mon 14 Jul 12:46

Some moves in fighting games just don't serve any other purpose outside of pissing you off.

Here's mine... Cammy's spinning knuckle. It blows. It's too slow on the wind-up, doesn't have the invincibility window it needs to be effective, and has crap priority to top it off. Probably even more useless in the __vs.__ games.

If they ever break that move out again they'd better tune that thing up.

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KTallguy
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"Re(1):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Mon 14 Jul 12:54

quote:
Some moves in fighting games just don't serve any other purpose outside of pissing you off.

Here's mine... Cammy's spinning knuckle. It blows. It's too slow on the wind-up, doesn't have the invincibility window it needs to be effective, and has crap priority to top it off. Probably even more useless in the __vs.__ games.

If they ever break that move out again they'd better tune that thing up.

How about Kyosuke's fireball in CvS2... excellent priority ... [/sarchasim].

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"Re(1):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Mon 14 Jul 13:13

quote:
Here's mine... Cammy's spinning knuckle. It blows. It's too slow on the wind-up, doesn't have the invincibility window it needs to be effective, and has crap priority to top it off. Probably even more useless in the __vs.__ games.

Speaking of Cammy in the VS games, Cammy and Jill's counter are a huge joke. Who ever did used them in a real fight, even once? "come on Cable! come oooAAAAAAAAHHH!"

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"Re(1):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Mon 14 Jul 13:16

Juzo's sneezing move in Gekka no Kenshi... or Asura's refushil, the "aggressive teleport"; actually, I must just suck at using it, the computer is quite brutal with it.

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"Re(1):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Mon 14 Jul 18:26

Sakura's Sakura Otoshi in Street Fighter Alpha 2. Though it was tweaked in SFA3 it was pretty well useless in SFA2G....

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"Re(1):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Mon 14 Jul 19:47

quote:
Some moves in fighting games just don't serve any other purpose outside of pissing you off.

#1 Kensou's Healing(Bun-eater) DM. <grumble>

Honorable mention: Strider's Ragnarok (DP+2P) super in MvC2... only because it always comes out in the middle of a Strider/Doom trap and it makes me wanna scream.

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"Re(1):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Mon 14 Jul 20:07

quote:
Some moves in fighting games just don't serve any other purpose outside of pissing you off.

Here's mine... Cammy's spinning knuckle. It blows. It's too slow on the wind-up, doesn't have the invincibility window it needs to be effective, and has crap priority to top it off. Probably even more useless in the __vs.__ games.

If they ever break that move out again they'd better tune that thing up.

Ryo and Kim Kaphwan have had moves that I found are useless for anyting, except maybe showing how much time you practice combos.

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"Re(2):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Mon 14 Jul 21:24

I find Jam's chi charges annoying since I always accidentally do them in the middle of combos and give the opponent free hits.

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"Re(1):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Mon 14 Jul 21:31

Ruby Heart's HP Rafale Cannon

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"Re(1):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Mon 14 Jul 21:51

Yun's CvS2 Raishin Mahhaken super. Doesn't work as an anti-air, has shit range, and Yun is still vulnerable as Yang comes down.

exodus

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"Re(2):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Mon 14 Jul 22:43:

STUPID BUN SUPER

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Undead Fred

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"Re(1):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Mon 14 Jul 23:06

quote:
Some moves in fighting games just don't serve any other purpose outside of pissing you off.

Top Spin!

Oh, wait. In a fighting game. Umm... Kim's kick where he stamps the ground is one that comes to mind...

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Battenosuke
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"Re(2):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Mon 14 Jul 23:35:

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Some moves in fighting games just don't serve any other purpose outside of pissing you off.Top Spin!

Oh, wait. In a fighting game. Umm... Kim's kick where he stamps the ground is one that comes to mind...

Wow, obscure megaman 2 reference.
Kim's stomp kick wasn't useless untill 2001. It used to be apart of Kim's broken Stomp cancel combination, not to mention it was a special move with super cancel properties.

Edit: Useless would be all of Iori's other
techniques besides his qcf + a, jumping back + b, and qcb + a/c x3

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Grave

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"Re(3):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Mon 14 Jul 23:42

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Wow, obscure megaman 2 reference.

3, actually. No one cares. I know.

Holiday

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"Re(1):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Tue 15 Jul 00:14:

The "taunt", especially if your opponent can reach over and press it for you ^_^
Especially deadly in some games (SFA1)
Maybe that's why sometimes cabinets are placed opposite each other, hehe.

Hmm... but for an individual move, I'd have to say Ibuki's frog hop. If you get killed by that move you'll die of embarrassment.

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No wait... I think Leona's Boomerang is even more annoying and useless. If that move comes out (almost always by accident) she's a sitting duck

[this message was edited by Holiday on Tue 15 Jul 00:17]

Fuchikoma

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"Re(2):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Tue 15 Jul 00:33:

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The "taunt", especially if your opponent can reach over and press it for you ^_^
Especially deadly in some games (SFA1)
Maybe that's why sometimes cabinets are placed opposite each other, hehe.

Hmm... but for an individual move, I'd have to say Ibuki's frog hop. If you get killed by that move you'll die of embarrassment.

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No wait... I think Leona's Boomerang is even more annoying and useless. If that move comes out (almost always by accident) she's a sitting duck

Sometimes the taunt can be useful, in Matrimelee if you taunt, and your opponent taunts you back, you lock into a showdown of who can input the buttons displayed on the screen the fastest.

Speaking of Matrimelee... lots of worthless moves in that game, I think Anny's super throw takes the cake, she does the slow roll forward before it that's simple to knock her out of... and I don't get why they gave a character with no normal grapple specials and a grapple super attack as her only standard super... then her Ippatsu Ougi is next to impossible to do.... I guess you can tell I've been playing the rom today...

[this message was edited by Fuchikoma on Tue 15 Jul 00:35]

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"Re(3):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Tue 15 Jul 00:47

In KOF99, Kyo's Orochi Nagi has a mandatory second delay or so, I never figured out why, but it made it useless for my purposes. Outside of that, what is up with Makoto's anti-air? Why does she stick her fist that is further away from her enemy straight up into the air?

Luisinan

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"Re(4):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Tue 15 Jul 01:29

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In KOF99, Kyo's Orochi Nagi has a mandatory second delay or so, I never figured out why, but it made it useless for my purposes. Outside of that, what is up with Makoto's anti-air? Why does she stick her fist that is further away from her enemy straight up into the air?

Makoto's anti-air is not totally useless. It's a good for stopping cross-ups and it also is her juggle starter. If you hit someone with it, it'll knock'em up into the air and you can follow-up with an air attack. If you want to do a 100% combo on Remy or Goku, you need to use this move-- it's part of her classic SA2 (Kick Super) combo. Other then that, I don't think the move can do much-- it's not meant to be a traditional anti-air.

I'm not trying to sound condescending but sometimes a special or normal attack don't have obvious benefits but nonethelesss, are still very good moves. Cammy's spinning knuckle is used for manuvering around fireballs (at least in ST, I don't know about newer games). It's similar to Zangief's banishing flat. Sakura's Otoshi move is an anti-fireaball/anti-air move-- I think it's a good move if you use it wisely. And of course, Kim's stomp kick is a damn fast over head with combo properties.

I can't think of more examples but often times I've seen good uses for bad moves. There are some patently clear bad moves. But I also think that certain bad moves aren't really bad at all, just not as abuseable and readily useable in a lot of situations. In SF3, I thought Ryu's donkey kick was kind of useless but it's a great poking attack and can be surprisingly fast if you don't expect it.

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Mosquiton

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"This is why it's useless..." , posted Tue 15 Jul 06:48:

quote:

I'm not trying to sound condescending but sometimes a special or normal attack don't have obvious benefits but nonethelesss, are still very good moves. Cammy's spinning knuckle is used for manuvering around fireballs (at least in ST, I don't know about newer games). It's similar to Zangief's banishing flat.

I know what the spinning knuckle was intended for, and while I have used it to maneuver around fireballs it certainly hasn't worked out in my favor often.

Unlike Zangief's move, the spinning knuckle has a long windup and -tiny- window of invincibility, plus it forces you to move a set distance.

As I remember it in the SSFs, your opponent will normally recover before Cammy's hoppity-ass reaches then and either smack her the hell out of it or block it.

You're better off trying to slip under a fireball with the cannon drill anyway.

About the Otoshi, in Alpha 2 it was really tough to connect more than once with it, plus it is quite slow. It's beautiful to KO someone with a 3 hit Otoshi in Alpha 3 though... catching them in a jump and soaring into outer space and all.

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[this message was edited by Mosquiton on Tue 15 Jul 06:51]

Ishmael

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"Re(1):This is why it's useless..." , posted Tue 15 Jul 10:12

Elena's Rhino Horn. There are so many ways you can mess up with that move it's unreal. Special mention also goes to Bust Kyoshiro's multi fireball with Dan-style range [the name of which I can't be bothered to look up] in Samurai Shodown IV.

Gojira

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"Re(5):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Tue 15 Jul 15:35

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Makoto's anti-air is not totally useless. It's a good for stopping cross-ups and it also is her juggle starter. If you hit someone with it, it'll knock'em up into the air and you can follow-up with an air attack. If you want to do a 100% combo on Remy or Goku, you need to use this move-- it's part of her classic SA2 (Kick Super) combo. Other then that, I don't think the move can do much-- it's not meant to be a traditional anti-air.

Yeah, and it does LOADS of stun damage. I mean look at the stun meter when it hits some time... freaking surreal.

A lot of Shura's moves in WH2 were pretty useless. I mean in one of them, he dashes forward and jumps back while punching? What the crap is that? It's not even effective air defense!

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"Re(6):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Tue 15 Jul 18:51

Top Spin IS NOT USELESS!! If timed right, and by timed, I mean if the game is in a happy or mad mood, you could kill Shadow Man with one strike.
I would say Dan's super taunt, but that has a use: making me laugh :)

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Kaepora
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"Re(7):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Tue 15 Jul 19:18

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Top Spin IS NOT USELESS!! If timed right, and by timed, I mean if the game is in a happy or mad mood, you could kill Shadow Man with one strike.

Not to mention the final form of the last boss in the game. I think those were the only two times to really use that weapon...

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"Re(2):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Wed 16 Jul 03:43

quote:
[edit]
No wait... I think Leona's Boomerang is even more annoying and useless. If that move comes out (almost always by accident) she's a sitting duck

Yeah, that's the worst move on earth... If it happens accidentally in '98 when you try to throw a pendant, your opponent has time to think the combo they're going to do, and smash it at you as if you were some sort of training dummie. Really horrible.

And BTW, Makoto's uppercut is anything but useless. Good for anti-crossup, and even better after a SA2... Deadly.

Fugo
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"Re(1):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Wed 16 Jul 07:52

GGXX, Bridget's lock-on thing with the yo-yo. Totally useless, and if you accidentally pull it you are deprived of many offensive options.

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"Re(1):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Sat 19 Jul 14:41

quote:
Some moves in fighting games just don't serve any other purpose outside of pissing you off.

This would be Akuma's QCB+P roll in SFA1, because if you are trying to do his HCBx2+P fireball super and accidentally do this, you are screwed. It's not even useful like Ken's roll, because in SFA1 Akuma leaps into the air and is vulnerable the entire time... it's like the Demon Flip with no benefits and no confusion power... doesn't even have the grace to give you a tick of super meter when you do it...

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"Re(2):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Sat 19 Jul 18:02

quote:
Some moves in fighting games just don't serve any other purpose outside of pissing you off.

This would be Akuma's QCB+P roll in SFA1, because if you are trying to do his HCBx2+P fireball super and accidentally do this, you are screwed. It's not even useful like Ken's roll, because in SFA1 Akuma leaps into the air and is vulnerable the entire time... it's like the Demon Flip with no benefits and no confusion power... doesn't even have the grace to give you a tick of super meter when you do it...

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"Re(1):Most annoyingly useless move?" , posted Sat 19 Jul 18:48

in kof 99' shin kyos hcb+HK is pretty freaking hard to use effectivly.