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| Grave 421th Post
 
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|  "Re(2):New Willy Wonka"
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I was just reading at imdb.com that Tim Burton is planning on making a remake of this classic movie and is undecided on who to cast as Willy Wonka it says the choices are Christopher Walker and Micheal Keaton.
I really loved the original and both actros would be compared to Gene Wilder a remake seems very uncessary.
Well, I'd say a remake would be unnecessary, but it probably won't be a remake of the previous movie, so to speak, it'll probably just be closer to the source material.
I'd love to see Christopher Walken in the role, because I love him in everything, hah. I think some degree of creepiness is necessary. Michael Keaton just seems like a huge mismatch to me.
I miss the old rumors kicking around about Marilyn Manson getting the role. That could be rather interesting.
The great thing about the concept is that Burton doesn't really need to do much to it to make it "edgy" or "disturbing", as the new trend is these days. I'm pointing a finger at American McGee and Todd McFarlane, for Alice, Oz, etc. Let's face it, Willy Wonka's a pretty messed up character. The factory is an insane place, and the movie did a great job with that, but I can't imagine how much farther Burton will run with that.
And the Oompa Loompas? What's up with a guy who keeps a herd of orange midgets around? Eep.
I just hope Burton doesn't lose sight of the plot, with the greedy being punished (in quite demented ways, I might add, for a children's movie and book.. and I don't believe you ever find out what happens to most of them, heh heh), and Charlie being rewarded for his character.
But yeah, I'm actually quite excited about this remake, and I hope Burton doesn't screw it up.
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| Dr Baghead 2374th Post
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| "Re(1):New Willy Wonka" , posted Sun 13 Jul 17:01
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I was just reading at imdb.com that Tim Burton is planning on making a remake of this classic movie and is undecided on who to cast as Willy Wonka it says the choices are Christopher Walker and Micheal Keaton.
I really loved the original and both actros would be compared to Gene Wilder a remake seems very uncessary.
Christopher Walken would make an excellent Willy Wonka, and would make me drop my guard long enough that I'd pay to see this train wreck in waiting.
the estate of Rahl Dahl (sic) wanted Burton to direct this... I believe this is because they incorrectly think Burton direct James and the Giant Peach (he didn't, he doesn't do shit at Skellington Productions... who if there was a God would be handling this, and every other Dahl-to-film adaption)
But my question is with the original airing on ABC Family, TBS, UPN, WB, any basic channel that runs a "weekend movie", local channels, AMC, Food Network, or ESPN at any given time 24-7, why even bother with a remake? Every one who's capable of thought knows and loves the movie, why not jump into sequels? How about an adaptation of "Charlie and the Glass Elevator"?
(and I don't think Gene Wilder has aged all that poorly... was he even considered for the role? or was Tim so busy reimagining what wasn't broken he rejected reusing anything from the first?)
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| OYashiroForever 336th Post
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| "Re(2):New Willy Wonka" , posted Mon 14 Jul 11:42
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I agree. Christophr Walken is too creepy for the part (although I think he's great) and Keaton is totally miscast.
I completely disagree. For those who've read the books, Wonka is a trickster. A temptor. Most folks agree that he was a metaphor for Satan (the book's illustrations of him seem to corroborate this too). Creepy is a trait you want in the actor portraying Wonka. The children, overcome by the temptations of gluttony (Gloop), greed (Salt), and sloth (Mike Teevee), are all punished in bizarre ways while the pure Charlie is taken on an elevator in to the sky (another metaphor?).
Gene Wilder tapped in to this to a smaller extent with his total nonchalance and almost playfulness when horrible things happen to the children. <deadpan> "No. Please. Stop. Don't." Plus, he has them all sign a "contract" before entering... and of course there's the boat ride.  The list goes on and on. One of the reasons why the original film was so good was the same reason that the book is so great: children can read/watch and enjoy a fantastic tale about a giant chocolate factory with orange midgets and a simplistic morality tale and adults can read/watch and see the darker imagery hiding just beneath the surface.
So... where is all of this rambling going? I think Burton, Walken, and Keaton are all great ideas. While I certainly hope Burton doesn't ignore the innocent, child-like side of the story, I think he's fantastic for bringing out the other side. Manson would've been a bad idea because he's only interested in portraying the dark side of the character. Walken, on the other hand, was born to play this role. Watch Batman Returns again and tell me he can't play a conniving, eccentric businessman. While Michael Keaton HAS been rather quiet of late, something about the way he looks (the hair and his height) and the fact that he was Beetlejuice (conniving trickster) leads me to believe that he could do it. (plus he's a pretty good actor)
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| Radish 1421th Post
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| "Re(3):New Willy Wonka" , posted Mon 14 Jul 22:30:
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I agree. Christophr Walken is too creepy for the part (although I think he's great) and Keaton is totally miscast.
I completely disagree. For those who've read the books, Wonka is a trickster. A temptor. Most folks agree that he was a metaphor for Satan (the book's illustrations of him seem to corroborate this too). Creepy is a trait you want in the actor portraying Wonka. The children, overcome by the temptations of gluttony (Gloop), greed (Salt), and sloth (Mike Teevee), are all punished in bizarre ways while the pure Charlie is taken on an elevator in to the sky (another metaphor?).
Gene Wilder tapped in to this to a smaller extent with his total nonchalance and almost playfulness when horrible things happen to the children. <deadpan> "No. Please. Stop. Don't." Plus, he has them all sign a "contract" before entering... and of course there's the boat ride. The list goes on and on. One of the reasons why the original film was so good was the same reason that the book is so great: children can read/watch and enjoy a fantastic tale about a giant chocolate factory with orange midgets and a simplistic morality tale and adults can read/watch and see the darker imagery hiding just beneath the surface.
So... where is all of this rambling going? I think Burton, Walken, and Keaton are all great ideas. While I certainly hope Burton doesn't ignore the innocent, child-like side of the story, I think he's fantastic for bringing out the other side. Manson would've been a bad idea because he's only interested in portraying the dark side of the character. Walken, on the other hand, was born to play this role. Watch Batman Returns again and tell me he can't play a conniving, eccentric businessman. While Michael Keaton HAS been rather quiet of late, something about the way he looks (the hair and his height) and the fact that he was Beetlejuice (conniving trickster) leads me to believe that he could do it. (plus he's a pretty good actor)
See I think that Gene was great because of that ambivalence. He seemed normal on the outside, but when you thought about it he was odd and creepy. Walken is creepy on the outside, but he might be able to turn it off long enough so that we become used to a normal Wonka before it he shows his true colors.
I think Burton can do the job well if he doesn't try too hard to make it different than the book. I like his movies.
I still think Keaton is miscast though. I like Burton and Walken enough to believe that they'd pull it off.
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