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| OYashiroForever 305th Post
 
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|  "Shingo + King in 2002 DC"
, posted Sun 29 Jun 14:37
Having to go through the obnoxiously boring (not to mention pitifully easy) Challenge modes just to get King, Shingo, Rugal, and Kusanagi is time-consuming to say the least (and not in the good way). However, now that I've had 'em opened up for a while and have been fiddling around with 'em, I figured I'd share a couple of things about Shingo + King. (I'm bored)
For those of you who don't have it:
- King + Shingo play almost exactly the same as they did in 2001. They have the same character intros (Shingo/Iori, King/Ryo) and character-specific win poses (Shingo/Kyo) as 2001. They also have the same movelists, except Shingo's multi-hit Burning Shingo is now his HSDM and King's Surprise Rose is her HSDM (BORING!). Both do crazy damage and are fairly easy to combo into, though.
- They both have new artwork (select screen portraits, winning portraits, and in-game portraits). They all look pretty much as you'd suspect, although Shingo's winning portrait is a little goofy looking (though not NEARLY as bad as 2001).
- As for MAX combos, King doesn't really have much. She can cancel just about everything except the Venom Strike/Double Strike and Trap Shot. However, not a whole lot connects and you can't cancel any of them in to her supers (since Illusion Dance takes too long to start up and Surprise Rose is an HSDM). However, you can cancel Mirage Dance (up close 5-hit move) after the 4th hit in to her Mirage Kick (F to B, P) and cancel that on the 4th hit in to Tornado Kick for a total of 10 hits/30%. Obviously you can tack stuff on the beginning for more hits. Not bad, but certainly there are characters who do better. For instance...
- Shingo's MAX combos are ridiculous. He can cancel off of damn near anything. He can't cancel in to his Nie Togi (3-hit close move) or his Oboroguruma (RDP+K like Kyo's). However, just about everything else works and makes for some nasty combos and pressure tactics. To make matters worse, he has a brain-dead easy MAX combo not unlike Kyo's.
(Requires 2 levels) Break MAX, stand C, HCB+B (1-hit) xx QCF+A xx HCB+B (1-hit) xx QCF+A xx HCB+B (1-hit) xx QCFx2+C xx RDP+D
It can be done anywhere on-screen (though you need to work your way in to the corner to do the last move) and does ~90%. Nasty and not that difficult.
Anywho... it's nice having them back either way. It's a shame the rest of 2002's port is so lackluster.
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| Fro Boy11 1765th Post
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| "Re(2):Shingo + King in 2002 DC" , posted Sun 29 Jun 17:10
I got Shingo last night and got King this morning. I really like the game now that they're in it. I haven't gotten Rugal yet, and I really don't care to because nobody is gonna use him anyway, but that blank box on the select screen is gonna be bugging me later, I just know it.
You actually thought all the challenges were easy? Damn, I must really suck. Now Single Attack was easy. I used Ryo. Time Attack was easy until I got in the 30's then it really picked up. I started with Iori, used Ryo a few times, and I finished with Terry with 9 seconds left. Team Attack, I got 10 teams out of the way then lost. How many teams do you have to beat, all of them, then Rugal? I'm having a little problem with that one, but I'll get done with that eventually.
I love King and Shingo's artwork, I just with they had pics of them in the gallery.
Still waiting for a Dan Hibiki and Robert Garcia dream match!
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| OYashiroForever 306th Post
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| "Re(3):Shingo + King in 2002 DC" , posted Sun 29 Jun 17:40
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I got Shingo last night and got King this morning. I really like the game now that they're in it. I haven't gotten Rugal yet, and I really don't care to because nobody is gonna use him anyway, but that blank box on the select screen is gonna be bugging me later, I just know it.
You actually thought all the challenges were easy? Damn, I must really suck. Now Single Attack was easy. I used Ryo. Time Attack was easy until I got in the 30's then it really picked up. I started with Iori, used Ryo a few times, and I finished with Terry with 9 seconds left. Team Attack, I got 10 teams out of the way then lost. How many teams do you have to beat, all of them, then Rugal? I'm having a little problem with that one, but I'll get done with that eventually.
I love King and Shingo's artwork, I just with they had pics of them in the gallery.
In Team Attack, you beat all 13 teams, then Rugal. Team Attack is actually somewhat challenging because you don't recover life at all. Single + Time are incredibly easy, though, since the computer is on dimwit difficulty and you regain life after each match. I have the game set on Level 8, but in Challenge Mode, the computer is on Retard difficulty level regardless. <shrug> Didn't die or run out of time once on Time Attack. On the hardest one (#40), you have to beat people in an average of 25 secs. OOOOHHHH!! The vast majority of the time, I'd have at least a minute to spare... not because I'm SOOO good at the game. More that you can just continually do jump-in D combos and the computer rarely blocks and almost never retailiates.
"Only two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the former."
"Your denial is beneath you and thanks to the use of hallucinogenic drugs I see through you."
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| Fro Boy11 1767th Post
Silver Carpet V.I.P- Platinum Executive
| "Re(4):Shingo + King in 2002 DC" , posted Mon 30 Jun 08:11
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I got Shingo last night and got King this morning. I really like the game now that they're in it. I haven't gotten Rugal yet, and I really don't care to because nobody is gonna use him anyway, but that blank box on the select screen is gonna be bugging me later, I just know it.
You actually thought all the challenges were easy? Damn, I must really suck. Now Single Attack was easy. I used Ryo. Time Attack was easy until I got in the 30's then it really picked up. I started with Iori, used Ryo a few times, and I finished with Terry with 9 seconds left. Team Attack, I got 10 teams out of the way then lost. How many teams do you have to beat, all of them, then Rugal? I'm having a little problem with that one, but I'll get done with that eventually.
I love King and Shingo's artwork, I just with they had pics of them in the gallery.
In Team Attack, you beat all 13 teams, then Rugal. Team Attack is actually somewhat challenging because you don't recover life at all. Single + Time are incredibly easy, though, since the computer is on dimwit difficulty and you regain life after each match. I have the game set on Level 8, but in Challenge Mode, the computer is on Retard difficulty level regardless. <shrug> Didn't die or run out of time once on Time Attack. On the hardest one (#40), you have to beat people in an average of 25 secs. OOOOHHHH!! The vast majority of the time, I'd have at least a minute to spare... not because I'm SOOO good at the game. More that you can just continually do jump-in D combos and the computer rarely blocks and almost never retailiates.
Yeah, I was doing a lot of jump-in D combos with Iori all the way to about #35 when they started blocking it so then I had to change up and go with Ryo and Terry. I tried with Ralf too, and I was just gonna sit there and Galactica Phantom everybody, but they would just throw me out of it, so I tried to do other stuff, but I couldn't win fast enough because they'd just end up blocking TOO much.
Anyway, I finished Time Attack, but I haven't started Team Attack since I got Shingo and King. Rugal can wait for a while.
Still waiting for a Dan Hibiki and Robert Garcia dream match!
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| Abe no Seimei
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| "Re(5):Shingo + King in 2002 DC" , posted Mon 30 Jun 08:37
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I got Shingo last night and got King this morning. I really like the game now that they're in it. I haven't gotten Rugal yet, and I really don't care to because nobody is gonna use him anyway, but that blank box on the select screen is gonna be bugging me later, I just know it.
You actually thought all the challenges were easy? Damn, I must really suck. Now Single Attack was easy. I used Ryo. Time Attack was easy until I got in the 30's then it really picked up. I started with Iori, used Ryo a few times, and I finished with Terry with 9 seconds left. Team Attack, I got 10 teams out of the way then lost. How many teams do you have to beat, all of them, then Rugal? I'm having a little problem with that one, but I'll get done with that eventually.
I love King and Shingo's artwork, I just with they had pics of them in the gallery.
In Team Attack, you beat all 13 teams, then Rugal. Team Attack is actually somewhat challenging because you don't recover life at all. Single + Time are incredibly easy, though, since the computer is on dimwit difficulty and you regain life after each match. I have the game set on Level 8, but in Challenge Mode, the computer is on Retard difficulty level regardless. <shrug> Didn't die or run out of time once on Time Attack. On the hardest one (#40), you have to beat people in an average of 25 secs. OOOOHHHH!! The vast majority of the time, I'd have at least a minute to spare... not because I'm SOOO good at the game. More that you can just continually do jump-in D combos and the computer rarely blocks and almost never retailiates.
Yeah, I was doing a lot of jump-in D combos with Iori all the way to about #35 when they started blocking it so then I had to change up and go with Ryo and Terry. I tried with Ralf too, and I was just gonna sit there and Galactica Phantom everybody, but they would just throw me out of it, so I tried to do other stuff, but I couldn't win fast enough because they'd just end up blocking TOO much.
Anyway, I finished Time Attack, but I haven't started Team Attack since I got Shingo and King. Rugal can wait for a while.
Yeah, the problem with team attack is definitely the lack of life recovery. However, you should remember that there is one character for whom it's not a problem at all : Kensou. Since the A.I of the computer in challenge mode is awful, he will not usally attack you while you're performing the nikuman respect (bun) special. And if he gets to close, use the crouching D. Otherwise, fireball him to death. It was utterly boring to play this way, but it's the best way I've found to beat that crapy mode. Be sure to put some strong character (like Ramon) in your team to cope with Rugal though.
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| Fro Boy11 1768th Post
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| "Re(6):Shingo + King in 2002 DC" , posted Mon 30 Jun 08:54
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Yeah, the problem with team attack is definitely the lack of life recovery. However, you should remember that there is one character for whom it's not a problem at all : Kensou. Since the A.I of the computer in challenge mode is awful, he will not usally attack you while you're performing the nikuman respect (bun) special. And if he gets to close, use the crouching D. Otherwise, fireball him to death. It was utterly boring to play this way, but it's the best way I've found to beat that crapy mode. Be sure to put some strong character (like Ramon) in your team to cope with Rugal though.
Cool, thanks for the tip. I use Ryo for Rugal though, just do the jumping chop when he throws a Reppuken, he's as good as beat.
Still waiting for a Dan Hibiki and Robert Garcia dream match!
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