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| iggy 1319th Post
 
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|  "Re(2):Okamoto leaves Capcom"
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Odds are that, assuming Capcom is staying on it's present course, Management was somehow planning even more Resident Evil remakes, an even crappier Devil Maycry, another action-game MegaManBattleNetwork despite how it's supposed to be an RPG, and Capcom vs SNK 2 Pro with the same rehashed sprites we've loved for years. Oh, and no new Street Fighter game. No. Not ever.
As long as they finish Gyakuten Saiban 3 this november, I don't give a dead ostrich about what could become of Capcom. They haven't done anything creative except this series for years, and since they don't seem to change their crappy politics, they deserve what happens to them.
忌まわしき封印は消え去った。今再び、我目覚めたり！！！
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| TiamatRoar 396th Post
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| "Re(4):Okamoto leaves Capcom" , posted Fri 27 Jun 17:59:
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I would say that they're doing some very very cool stuff lately, like Dragon Quarter or Viewtiful Joe, but it seems that the trend is bashing. Oh well.
Eh, for some reason, unlike most, I feel kinda skeptical about Viewtiful Joe. Or more specifically, I don't feel it's right to assume the game's going to be either good or bad until it gets actually released in this case. Right now, the game has an interesting look to it (though after Wind Waker, I myself am sick of this stubby arms and legs deal. That's a personal thing that I'm not going to hold against Joe, though), but whether or not the gameplay's good is unknown at this point. ...unless the game's already entered beta and people are playing it and I don't know about it. Haven't been paying much attention to it.
But really, even then, that's like... one saving grace. Is it just my memory, or did Capcom use to crank out tons of quality titles, a lot more than it does now? Nowadays... hrm hrm... Konami (even more so than usual) and Squaresoft and Sega and Nintendo seem to still be kicking ass (or at least, chugging along well), but Capcom just... doesn't seem to be cutting much, anymore, and I used to rank it in my personal list of favorite companies with all those other big boys.
I'm sorry, but when people say many times over about SvC, "It's not fair to compare SvC to CvS2. Wait for the sequel", that's not going to brighten up my outlook on Capcom since they're seemingly the idiots that came up with this whole "the first game will always suck so you have to wait for the sequel for something remotely decent" crap.
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| DarkZero
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| "Re(2):Okamoto leaves Capcom" , posted Fri 27 Jun 19:55
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Odds are that, assuming Capcom is staying on it's present course, Management was somehow planning even more Resident Evil remakes, an even crappier Devil Maycry, another action-game MegaManBattleNetwork despite how it's supposed to be an RPG, and Capcom vs SNK 2 Pro with the same rehashed sprites we've loved for years. Oh, and no new Street Fighter game. No. Not ever.
So, first the Battle Network series is bashed because it's an RPG when it's supposed to be a 2D action game, and now it's bashed because it's a 2D action game when when it's supposed to be an RPG. Jesus. Would you just leave the poor little bastard series alone? If it wants to bring us a 2D action game on a next-gen console that doesn't have X6's budget of two dollars, I say we let it. I haven't played it yet, but we could use a few more 2D action games that don't require a new Nintendo Rainbow Cash Cow Oh-God-Please-Give-Us-Money-Because-The-GameCube-Doesn't-Sell-Well peripheral for the main character to be more than a half inch tall.
I'm sort of kidding, but really, "it's supposed to be an RPG" has to be the most ridiculous criticism of a game that I've heard in a long time.
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| TiamatRoar 399th Post
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| "Re(3):Okamoto leaves Capcom" , posted Fri 27 Jun 20:02:
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I'm sort of kidding, but really, "it's supposed to be an RPG" has to be the most ridiculous criticism of a game that I've heard in a long time.
Right. Because we all know that Capcom doesn't have other mega man franchises that are action games that they could have had on the system.
I wasn't one of the ones that said that BattleNetwork should have been an action game. Actually, I never even criticized the thing at all back then. You see, the significance here is that it's Mega Man BATTLE NETWORK. If it were just Mega Man or Mega Man X that they brought over to the gameboy advance, and they made THAT an RPG, well, I'm not sure I'd call it stupid so much as weird. But in this case for the gamecube version, it's stupid. Because there already IS a mega man franchise that fills in the action genre. There are TWO of them (Mega Man X and Mega Man). In the case of Battle Network, there was NO Mega Man franchise that was an RPG, so Capcom made a new one that was RPG based. In this case of Battle Network for the gamecube, however, there already are TWO Mega Man franchises that are action games, but instead Capcom ports over the one that's an RPG and makes it an action game, instead. That just seems stupid to me. Or at least, extremely silly.
...or maybe I'm just bitter because my little brother brought that hard as hell game thinking it would be an RPG like the gameboy advance games. Because sure, maybe he should have done his research, but when I buy a Final Fantasy game, I expect it to be an RPG, dammit. Maybe not Final Fantasy TACTICS, or Final Fantasy LEGEND, but Final Fantasy by itself I expect to be an RPG! And Battle Network had the same expectancies from my little brother.
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| whitesword 1386th Post
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| "Re(4):Okamoto leaves Capcom" , posted Fri 27 Jun 20:22
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In this case of Battle Network for the gamecube, however, there already are TWO Mega Man franchises that are action games, but instead Capcom ports over the one that's an RPG and makes it an action game, instead. That just seems stupid to me. Or at least, extremely silly.
Well, Mega Man X7 is coming along, and everyone pretty much assumes that the original Mega Man series is more or less, over.
And what the spoons is wrong with allowing MegaMan.EXE to try out platforming!? The fans don't mind it, and only the spoony bards who don't really care about MegaMan.EXE are complaining.
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| DarkZero
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| "Re(7):Okamoto leaves Capcom" , posted Fri 27 Jun 22:56
Megaman.EXE/Rockman.EXE = Megaman Battle Network. The only reasoning I've ever seen for the change, especially when the navis are called .EXE in the games, is that a game called "Megaman Xtreme" or something similar was released right around the time that MMBN was.
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You see, the significance here is that it's Mega Man BATTLE NETWORK. If it were just Mega Man or Mega Man X that they brought over to the gameboy advance, and they made THAT an RPG, well, I'm not sure I'd call it stupid so much as weird. But in this case for the gamecube version, it's stupid. Because there already IS a mega man franchise that fills in the action genre. There are TWO of them (Mega Man X and Mega Man). In the case of Battle Network, there was NO Mega Man franchise that was an RPG, so Capcom made a new one that was RPG based. In this case of Battle Network for the gamecube, however, there already are TWO Mega Man franchises that are action games, but instead Capcom ports over the one that's an RPG and makes it an action game, instead. That just seems stupid to me. Or at least, extremely silly.
Under your reasoning, which seems to be that we don't need another Megaman action game series when we already have some, Megaman X shouldn't have been made because Megaman existed, Megaman Zero shouldn't have been made because Megaman and Megaman X existed, and Megaman X7 shouldn't exist because Megaman Legends (both 3D Megaman games) exists. That means that Megaman Network Transmission perfectly fits Capcom's pattern of doing whatever the Hell they want with the Megaman series and its many genres, but doesn't fit the pattern of perfect genre/series segregation that you've laid out as a reason to bash poor little Megaman Battle Network.
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...or maybe I'm just bitter because my little brother brought that hard as hell game thinking it would be an RPG like the gameboy advance games. Because sure, maybe he should have done his research, but when I buy a Final Fantasy game, I expect it to be an RPG, dammit. Maybe not Final Fantasy TACTICS, or Final Fantasy LEGEND, but Final Fantasy by itself I expect to be an RPG! And Battle Network had the same expectancies from my little brother.
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Well, I guess they can't give the platformer game a different name since there are too many variations on the name of Mega Man anyways, so having a variation on a variation of one would be just confusing. Hrm. ...okay, I can see your point, albeit from a lose-lose perspective.
"This is the most blatant case of fraudulent advertising since my suit against the film The Never-Ending Story."
It is not Capcom's fault that your little brother decided not to turn the Megaman Network Transmission box over and glance at the back before buying it. And besides, they already changed it from Megaman Battle Network to Megaman Network Transmission. It was at least as different as "Final Fantasy" and "Final Fantasy Legends". What were they supposed to name the game, "Hey Kid, This Is A 2D Action Game And Not An RPG: BUYER BEWARE!"?
Poor little bastard series that's popular with small children... why will no one love you? :(
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| TiamatRoar 403th Post
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| "Re(8):Okamoto leaves Capcom" , posted Sat 28 Jun 01:01
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Under your reasoning, which seems to be that we don't need another Megaman action game series when we already have some, Megaman X shouldn't have been made because Megaman existed, Megaman Zero shouldn't have been made because Megaman and Megaman X existed, and Megaman X7 shouldn't exist because Megaman Legends (both 3D Megaman games) exists. That means that Megaman Network Transmission perfectly fits Capcom's pattern of doing whatever the Hell they want with the Megaman series and its many genres, but doesn't fit the pattern of perfect genre/series segregation that you've laid out as a reason to bash poor little Megaman Battle Network.
Well, actually, the point was that they were taking a franchise part of Mega Man already established to be an RPG and making it back into an action game when there were already two action game ones. In the case of Mega Man X, Mega Man X was an all new franchise part of Mega Man that was never, you know, previously an RPG. You have to consider every part of the whole, instead of just segregating out select few parts to suit your argument.
My brother couldn't look on the back of the box because he preordered. As for the changing the name thing... er, yea, I already said I could see your point regarding that. You sure enjoy beating the dead horse, don't you?
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| Hungrywolf 2068th Post
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| "Re(3):Okamoto leaves Capcom" , posted Sat 28 Jun 21:41
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I hope Playmore picks him up. Viewtiful Joe is a fun game. I played the demo a few days ago. It should be a hit, but seeing as it's on the GameCube, the game will be looked over for something on PS2 and Xbox. Watch, you'll see.
So... yea, guess that answers my question of whether people have been able to play the game or not, already. Well, here's hoping that it turns out to do well, then.
Yeah, you can buy the demo disc that has Viewtiful Joe on it at your local Target. I did, and I've played through that particular demo quite a few times and it doesn't get old. It's quite good. The latest demo set up at some stores has P.N. 03 on it, and it looks to be another new game from Capcom that will be good. I think Capcom has plenty left in them.
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| Fro Boy11 1764th Post
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| "Re(4):Okamoto leaves Capcom" , posted Sat 28 Jun 21:51
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I hope Playmore picks him up. Viewtiful Joe is a fun game. I played the demo a few days ago. It should be a hit, but seeing as it's on the GameCube, the game will be looked over for something on PS2 and Xbox. Watch, you'll see.
So... yea, guess that answers my question of whether people have been able to play the game or not, already. Well, here's hoping that it turns out to do well, then.
Yeah, you can buy the demo disc that has Viewtiful Joe on it at your local Target. I did, and I've played through that particular demo quite a few times and it doesn't get old. It's quite good. The latest demo set up at some stores has P.N. 03 on it, and it looks to be another new game from Capcom that will be good. I think Capcom has plenty left in them.
I played the demo of Viewtiful Joe at GameStop a few days ago, but I haven't played P.N. 03 yet. I'll have to stop by Target and get that demo of Viewtiful Joe. Man, I don't even play my GameCube anymore. I need some multiplayer games for it.
I gotta go play P.N. 03 sometime during the week.
Still waiting for a Dan Hibiki and Robert Garcia dream match!
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