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Rid Hershel

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"Sega obsessed with black-and-red shadows!" , posted Fri 27 Jun 06:00:

Let's see, you have:

-Space Channel 5 dancing "villain", Shadow.
-Sonic the Hedgehog's "villain" Shadow the Hedhehog.
-Virtual On Marz Temjin-lookalike Shadow.

Is this coincidence? Three red-and-black characters with the same name in kinda new games?

[this message was edited by Rid Hershel on Fri 27 Jun 06:00]

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Ammadeau

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"Re(1):Sega obsessed with black-and-red shadow" , posted Fri 27 Jun 09:44

They're not the only ones who do it. I've seen it other games and anime, the concept that red and black are 'evil' colors, while white and blue are 'good' colors.

I think Tron started it.

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Juke Joint Jezebel

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"Re(2):Sega obsessed with black-and-red shadow" , posted Fri 27 Jun 11:04:

quote:
They're not the only ones who do it. I've seen it other games and anime, the concept that red and black are 'evil' colors, while white and blue are 'good' colors.

I think Tron started it.

i think it's just how we've been raised. something that's been embedded in our mind for god knows how long. we've grown up associating black and red with "evil," and blue and white with "good." before this rant gets any longer ..

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my sister wants me to buy her one. i guess i'll leave now

EDIT:
wow, grammar

gulch 06.26.03

[this message was edited by Juke Joint Jezebel on Fri 27 Jun 11:10]

Dr Baghead

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"Re(2):Sega obsessed with black-and-red shadow" , posted Fri 27 Jun 11:13

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the concept that red and black are 'evil' colors, while white and blue are 'good' colors.

I like to use Red and Black for good characters and White and Blue for evil! More fun that way.

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Ishmael

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"Re(3):Sega obsessed with black-and-red shadow" , posted Fri 27 Jun 11:20

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They're not the only ones who do it. I've seen it other games and anime, the concept that red and black are 'evil' colors, while white and blue are 'good' colors.

I think Tron started it.

i think it's just how we've been raised. something that's been embedded in our mind for god knows how long. we've grown up associating black and red with "evil," and blue and white with "good." before this rant gets any longer ..

Link Here

my sister wants me to buy her one. i guess i'll leave now

EDIT:
wow, grammar

But Ronald McDonald uses both white and red -as well as the seemingly neutral yellow- in his color scheme. Does that mean he's both good and bad, yin and yang, comedy and tragedy? Or does he get the same exemption that Santa Claus, a man who swaggers around in a red fur suit and black leather boots and is still considered "good", enjoys?

Juan

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"Re(4):Sega obsessed with black-and-red shadow" , posted Fri 27 Jun 11:23:

I always considered Santa Claus to be the true incarnation of the devil.

Edit: Laugh and grow fat.

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Or does he get the same exemption that Santa Claus, a man who swaggers around in a red fur suit and black leather boots and is still considered "good", enjoys?

[this message was edited by Juan on Fri 27 Jun 11:23]

Toxico

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"Re(3):Sega obsessed with black-and-red shadow" , posted Fri 27 Jun 11:26:

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the concept that red and black are 'evil' colors, while white and blue are 'good' colors.

I like to use Red and Black for good characters and White and Blue for evil! More fun that way.

Most of my character all dress up in black; and they are all evil, good guys usually gets funeralized on fires or killed at the beggining of the stories ¬_¬

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Laugh and grow fat.

I didn't laught, but still grew fat... Destiny is not without a sense of irony, it seems.

[this message was edited by Toxico on Fri 27 Jun 11:33]

Juke Joint Jezebel

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"DIE" , posted Fri 27 Jun 12:09

quote:
But Ronald McDonald uses both white and red -as well as the seemingly neutral yellow- in his color scheme. Does that mean he's both good and bad, yin and yang, comedy and tragedy? Or does he get the same exemption that Santa Claus, a man who swaggers around in a red fur suit and black leather boots and is still considered "good", enjoys?

yes!
i know you're just poking fun for the sake of doing it, but i will justify my meaning anyways!

rant, rant, rant, rant

actually, i meant red and black together as an overall color scheme. Ronald McDonald doesn't count in my initial point because the overall color scheme doesn't really fit. and black boots mean nothing for Santa. it's like saying you're scared of a police officer simply because he has black hair

nowadays, the color schemes (blue/white, red/black) don't seem to apply as much as they used to. modern writers (and other people that apply) don't fit those colors with their stereotypes anymore for style, originality, or simply to be different (like what Baghead said about his characters)

in pictures, Satan or the Devil is often in a red and black color scheme. some other characters i can think of .. the "black knight" usually has a full suit of black armor. i'm going a bit off topic with the black knight (since i've seen many pictures of black knights without red accompanying them), but the opposite "white knight" has been envisioned dozens of times with both blue and white. speaking of blue and white and how those colors match the forces of "good" or "justice," how about Kim Kaphwan? sure, blue and white could just be the colors that his dojo uses, but maybe when they were designing his character, they had that sense of justice in mind

in retrospect, modern writers have definitely gone the opposite direction. hell, look at the Matrix

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gulch 06.26.03

DarkZero
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"Re(2):Sega obsessed with black-and-red shadow" , posted Fri 27 Jun 14:15

quote:
They're not the only ones who do it. I've seen it other games and anime, the concept that red and black are 'evil' colors, while white and blue are 'good' colors.

I think Tron started it.

I've noticed the opposite trend. Seto Kaiba, Ryo Bakura, Kagami, Takahashi Ryosuke, Kain R. Heinlein, Rezo, the Angels (some of them), Kuja, Moritsune, and the villain from Yami no Matsuei all wear white, or at least very white-ish colors. If anything, black and red are much more Western stereotypes. Dracula and other vampires have always been associated with black and red suits, which is why you always see plenty of those colors in Castlevania.

I don't know what's up with Sega, though it is pretty amusing that they've done that with all of the "Shadow" characters.

Undead Fred

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"Re(3):Sega obsessed with black-and-red shadow" , posted Fri 27 Jun 22:29

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They're not the only ones who do it. I've seen it other games and anime, the concept that red and black are 'evil' colors, while white and blue are 'good' colors.

I'm sure everyone who remembers their high-school English class (or whoever's still taking it) has had that whole speech on color symbolism (purple=regal, white=purity, blargblargblarg...). It's really old.

Didn't they kind of do something with that in Gladiator? The emperor was in white armor because he was supposed to be the "good guy" in the fight and Maximus was in black armor... even though their characters were the opposite of their color-coding.

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