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| Hungrywolf 2026th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):Who saw hulk?"
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I was going to go see it with about 20 friends, and I was even going to dress up as the Hulk, but then I realized I DIDN'T HAVE A WORKING FUCKING CAR TO GET ANYWHERES!!! Anyways, a friend saved me one of the free tickets he got from work (^_^) so I can go another time.
BUT I WANT TO KNOW THE ENDING NOW!!! SPOIL IT FOR ME!!! PLEASE!!! Someone said the ending sucke,d but that could mean from Hulk getting raped to Hulk going one on one with Sean Connery.
"Sho, ish your cock really ash big ash they shay it ish?"
I saw it. It was good. I don't think the ending was bad, but I guess people were expecting something different. I think it was fine, and besides, with these movies, then ending doesn't matter too much since it'll get a sequel anyway.
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| OYashiroForever 281th Post
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| "Raises hand." , posted Sat 21 Jun 01:17
Just got back... my apologies if I start to ramble and sound like a movie critic. I think I'm probably a jaded journalist at heart. Anywho, much like every other Ang Lee film I've ever seen, Hulk doesn't make it easy for you. It makes you use your brain: the first half is a lot of exposition and backstory... far more than the movie-going public is used to in a big dumb summer movie. It also challenges a lot of the institutions of comic-book/big dumb action cinema.
Pros:
- Hulk CGI: all of the internet people whining about it seriously need to be quiet and move on to their next minute movie flaw to blow out of proportion. Pulling off a 15-foot humanoid monster is an excruciatingly difficult thing to do with a computer and ILM did a fine job. The character emotes better than many real actors (*cough*Keanu Reeves*cough) and he looks about as realistic as a 15-foot emerald giant's gonna look.
- Acting: there were several lines in this film that could've been real groaners if not pulled off right, but most of 'em had just the right level of emotion. Jennifer Connelly is not just another pretty face, Sam Shephard's got hard-ass down to a science, and Eric Bana really talked and acted like a man with some serious skeletons.
- Hulk Smash: while you have to wait over 60 mins. for the gravy train to pull in, it's well worth it once it does. The Hulk moves, leaps, and smashes exactly the way you'd think a giant beast with a 2-year old's temperament would. It has a very genuine human touch to it.
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- Cinematography: while I can definitely see what Ang and company were going for with the comic-book style cinematography, it got REALLY old REALLY fast for me. I probably would've liked it if he had just used it a couple of times as a cute little wink to the audience, but the fact that literally every 2 mins. you've got the screen being split 6 ways and sliding around with zooms of people's eyes or alternate camera angles... suffice it to say that instead of enhancing the cinematic experience, it detracted from it. For me. Your mileage may have varied.
- The Ending: No, not the one mentioned in the little spoiler before. I'm referring to the climactic battle. It really seems forced and doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the tone of the movie. Thematically it does, but the actual content seems totally nonsensical and is certainly not explained to death like the rest of the movie was. The scene prior to it would've made a great ending with some re-writes.
- Nick Nolte: It seems like he filmed all of his scenes right in the middle of his drunken binge from a while back (with mugshot hair and all). While he does have my favorite scene towards the end (I'm sure most of you can figure out which one), he seems to spend the vast majority of the film just chewing scenery (literally and figuratively).
In the end, I haven't quite decided how I feel about the Hulk. Most likely it'll end up like Crouching Tiger and Eat Drink Man Woman, both of which I initially had mixed feelings about and eventually loved after a couple more viewings. Or maybe not... it's gonna take a lot for me to get past that camera work. One thing's for sure, though... I think it's way too high-brow for the typical summer blockbuster audience. It'll be interesting to see what the box office is like...
"Only two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the former."
"Your denial is beneath you and thanks to the use of hallucinogenic drugs I see through you."
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| TheBeast 1471th Post
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| "Re(2):Raises hand." , posted Sat 21 Jun 10:32
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Cinematography: while I can definitely see what Ang and company were going for with the comic-book style cinematography, it got REALLY old REALLY fast for me.
Weird. You're the only person I know so far that didn't like the camera editing, while everyone else said it was awesome.
I always thought "Cinematography" as the lightings and shadows in the movie, and not the camera's angle or shots.
I kinda agree with OYashiroforever. It was being played too much in Hulk, both at the right and wrong times. At 2/3 of the movie I just got tired and wondered if I was looking at a really big Powerpoint presentation. Comparing it to "Phone Booth" where the split screens were also done, Phone Booth only do it when they need the intensity to build up, not as and when they like.
My take on the movie is that it probably tried too hard to avoid falling into "just-another-comic-turned-movie" movie. We all see the sincerity and effort in trying to do so, but when the script itself is flawed and the pace of the movie moved too slowly, it just tires the audience.
Don't get me wrong. I wasn't looking only for HULK SMASH before going into the threatres. The love, the humanity and emotional themes of the movie just didn't come out as strong as I expected to be. I wasn't touched or moved by any of the scenes which I thought I would.
Nice effort by Ang Lee though. I believe if the movie received more thumb downs than ups, I would say he shouldn't be shouldering most of the blame.
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| thebigword
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| "Re(1):The Hulk is better than Spiderman, Dare" , posted Fri 27 Jun 02:41
First off, let me just say I'm new here, and wanted to say, "sup?"
Well, I saw the Hulk yesterday, and I was impressed, to say the least. I went in with no expectations, and I came out a "true believer." Unlike Spider-Man, the acting was good, the story was better, and it didn't have the Green Goblin. I never saw Daredevil, so I can't compare it to that. I read in an earlier post something like, "this isn't Bruce Banner the movie. Where's the Hulk smash?" Everyone has their own opinion. But, even though the title of comic book is "The Incredible Hulk" the soul of the book was always Bruce Banner, and his struggle to find a cure for himself. Now, I haven't read comic books in a loong time, but everytime I do pick up a Hulk comic and begin to flip through it, I notice something: I rarely ever see the Hulk, only Banner. To me, the Hulk was a always a supporting character. Now, I know they changed his origin in the movie, and I'm glad they did, it was more believable. His struggle to find out who he is, the whole father issue, and to figure out his past was excellent.
I'm very picky when it comes to movies. I like more substance than flash. I wish Ang and his buddy James wrote and directed Spider-Man. I had all of these expectations for that movie, and even though I liked it, I was extremely disappointed with it. It just didn't flow, nothing fit together. And, the Green Goblin, well, he sucked. I read somewhere that described him as a "power rangers reject." I had to agree with that. And, keep in mind, I grew up on Spider-Man and the Hulk. I made my own Spider-Man costume out of my pajama's when I was a kid. I watched the TV series for both characters religously. My mom bought me their books every month. So, I've been around long enough to see these characters change, either be in cartoons, comic books, or movies.
Except for his origin, Ang Lee stayed true to the comic book as best as he could.
Well, that's just my opinion.
peace
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| Hungrywolf 2059th Post
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| "Daredevil, Spider-man are better than Hulk" , posted Fri 27 Jun 09:23
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First off, let me just say I'm new here, and wanted to say, "sup?"
Well, I saw the Hulk yesterday, and I was impressed, to say the least. I went in with no expectations, and I came out a "true believer." Unlike Spider-Man, the acting was good, the story was better, and it didn't have the Green Goblin. I never saw Daredevil, so I can't compare it to that. I read in an earlier post something like, "this isn't Bruce Banner the movie. Where's the Hulk smash?" Everyone has their own opinion. But, even though the title of comic book is "The Incredible Hulk" the soul of the book was always Bruce Banner, and his struggle to find a cure for himself. Now, I haven't read comic books in a loong time, but everytime I do pick up a Hulk comic and begin to flip through it, I notice something: I rarely ever see the Hulk, only Banner. To me, the Hulk was a always a supporting character. Now, I know they changed his origin in the movie, and I'm glad they did, it was more believable. His struggle to find out who he is, the whole father issue, and to figure out his past was excellent.
I'm very picky when it comes to movies. I like more substance than flash. I wish Ang and his buddy James wrote and directed Spider-Man. I had all of these expectations for that movie, and even though I liked it, I was extremely disappointed with it. It just didn't flow, nothing fit together. And, the Green Goblin, well, he sucked. I read somewhere that described him as a "power rangers reject." I had to agree with that. And, keep in mind, I grew up on Spider-Man and the Hulk. I made my own Spider-Man costume out of my pajama's when I was a kid. I watched the TV series for both characters religously. My mom bought me their books every month. So, I've been around long enough to see these characters change, either be in cartoons, comic books, or movies.
Except for his origin, Ang Lee stayed true to the comic book as best as he could.
Well, that's just my opinion.
peace
I have to disagree with you two and say that Spidey and DD were both better than the Hulk. I liked the Hulk movie, but DD is still my favorite marvel movie so far, with Spidey very close to it. You said, "unlike Spider-man, the acting was good." Spider-man has good acting, so I don't know why that was attacked, and though I wish they had use a GG costume more like his actual costume, I was extremely pleased with the Spidey outfit and with how close the movie was based with comic. There were changes in all three of these Super Hero movies, of course, but that is to be expected. They were all good, but DD was my favorite. Some of the shots in that movie are taken directly from the comic, from the opening shot of DD on the cross on top of the church. Hulk comics may put all the focus on Banner these days, I know what you are talking about. But the old Hulk comics weren't really like that. Still, I've never been too big of a fan of the Hulk and the movie was good. DD comes to DVD at the end of July. Buy it!
(note: I don't want this to be a flame but I wanted to defend the Spider-man and Daredevil movies, which I still like best out of all of the Marvel movies so far. I'm ready for the Fantastic Four next year!)
"You're good baby I'll give you that.....but me? I'm magic!"
-Bullseye Daredevil movie
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| KTallguy
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| "Re(1):Daredevil, Spider-man are better than H" , posted Fri 27 Jun 12:23
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I have to disagree with you two and say that Spidey and DD were both better than the Hulk. I liked the Hulk movie, but DD is still my favorite marvel movie so far, with Spidey very close to it. You said, "unlike Spider-man, the acting was good." Spider-man has good acting, so I don't know why that was attacked, and though I wish they had use a GG costume more like his actual costume, I was extremely pleased with the Spidey outfit and with how close the movie was based with comic. There were changes in all three of these Super Hero movies, of course, but that is to be expected. They were all good, but DD was my favorite. Some of the shots in that movie are taken directly from the comic, from the opening shot of DD on the cross on top of the church. Hulk comics may put all the focus on Banner these days, I know what you are talking about. But the old Hulk comics weren't really like that. Still, I've never been too big of a fan of the Hulk and the movie was good. DD comes to DVD at the end of July. Buy it!
(note: I don't want this to be a flame but I wanted to defend the Spider-man and Daredevil movies, which I still like best out of all of the Marvel movies so far. I'm ready for the Fantastic Four next year!)
DD was good, but it had a few things that bothered me. One was the beginning fight scene with the flashing lights. I couldn't see anything. Then there's ... well...
I guess maybe this is why I liked Hulk more, it seemed more "real life". I'm all for fantasy movies. In fact, I really enjoyed Spiderman, and DD also. But the Hulk took all that comic book stuff and really made it into a serious movie.
DD was very comic book like... a few inconsistancies in the story (He turns up his music really loud but is bothered by loud noise?) and a little too unreal for my tastes. Like when Electra
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thought that DD killed her father
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it was funny that he couldn't just run up and say, actually no it was this other guy. I did appreciate the cinematography and Bullseye was incredible. The fighting was... ok .... I haven't really read DD too much but from what I know he mainly uses his cane to fight. It seemed like in the film the fighting wasn't that interesting. It didn't "grab" me. Spiderman had some great fighting because of the acrobatics involved. But Spiderman was so simple... too simple. The comic book gives Peter Parker much more characterization. He was very one sided in the movie.
Now the Hulk,
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when he was beating the crap out of the mutant dogs,
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I was like ... OMFG... he LOOKED so strong. And the 45 mins of character development really helped the story. Hats off to Ang Lee.
I'll eventually see DD and compare it with Spiderman and Hulk... maybe I'll have more vivid memories of DD then.
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| thebigword
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| "Re(2):Daredevil, Spider-man are better than H" , posted Fri 27 Jun 14:22
I don't want to get in a flame war either, heck, I'm new here.
I respect everyone's opinion here.
I didn't say that I didn't like the Spider-Man movie, because I DID like it. But, I was disappointed with it, as I stated in my first post. I loved his costume, I thought it was incredible that they didn't change his outfit, like they usually do in movies. I liked everything about it, except for the forced Green Goblin storyline, and Dafoe as the Green Goblin himself. He annoying, and his costume was horrible. I saw pre-production artwork and costumes of the Green Goblin, and they were amazingly better than that of the final product. I really loved the first hour of that movie.
I like it, I even bought the DVD, but to me, the Hulk was so much better. The only way I can describe it is to say: It's a sophisticated and artistic comic book movie. Not for kids, but for the older folk. Kind of like Batman, and I stretch it so far to even say, The Crow.
I want to see Daredevil, heck, I'll probably buy the DVD the day it comes out.
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| Hungrywolf 2061th Post
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| "Re(3):Daredevil, Spider-man are better than H" , posted Sat 28 Jun 00:09
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DD was good, but it had a few things that bothered me. One was the beginning fight scene with the flashing lights. I couldn't see anything. Then there's ... well...
I guess maybe this is why I liked Hulk more, it seemed more "real life". I'm all for fantasy movies. In fact, I really enjoyed Spiderman, and DD also. But the Hulk took all that comic book stuff and really made it into a serious movie.
DD was very comic book like... a few inconsistancies in the story (He turns up his music really loud but is bothered by loud noise?)
He turned up his radio loud in that scene to drown out the other noises since he hears so many things and there is a big difference between the radio being loud (which he was prepared for) and the organ pipes ringing right beside him really close.
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and a little too unreal for my tastes. Like when Electra
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it was funny that he couldn't just run up and say, actually no it was this other guy.
Actually, I don't think that is too unrealistic. She didn't see everything that happened and was probably in a little bit of shock.
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I did appreciate the cinematography and Bullseye was incredible. The fighting was... ok .... I haven't really read DD too much but from what I know he mainly uses his cane to fight. It seemed like in the film the fighting wasn't that interesting. It didn't "grab" me.
I thought the fighting was good. Especially the fight between DD and Bullseye at the church. Oh well.
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Spiderman had some great fighting because of the acrobatics involved. But Spiderman was so simple... too simple. The comic book gives Peter Parker much more characterization. He was very one sided in the movie.
Explain? I don't understand this statement. How do the comics give Peter much more characterization than the movie did? I think the movie developed Peter and showed plenty of his character throughout the movie.
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I don't want to get in a flame war either, heck, I'm new here.
I respect everyone's opinion here.
I didn't say that I didn't like the Spider-Man movie, because I DID like it. But, I was disappointed with it, as I stated in my first post. I loved his costume, I thought it was incredible that they didn't change his outfit, like they usually do in movies. I liked everything about it, except for the forced Green Goblin storyline
Forced GG storyline? Explain how it was forced.
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, and Dafoe as the Green Goblin himself. He annoying,
I thought Dafoe did an excellent job portraying two sides of the same coin.
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and his costume was horrible. I saw pre-production artwork and costumes of the Green Goblin, and they were amazingly better than that of the final product. I really loved the first hour of that movie.
I agree that the GG costume wasn't as good as I think it could've been, but I didn't really like any of the pre-production costume work for him either. I'd rather him have something closer to the comic. I still didn't think the costume was horrible though.
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I like it, I even bought the DVD, but to me, the Hulk was so much better. The only way I can describe it is to say: It's a sophisticated and artistic comic book movie. Not for kids, but for the older folk. Kind of like Batman, and I stretch it so far to even say, The Crow.
I'd rather it not be a sophisticated and artistic comic book movie to be honest. I'd rather it reflect the source material closely. Not that it didn't in it's own way. Personally, I didn't really think the Hulk was sophisticated and artistic. I think people try to read too much into things sometimes. No offense. I never found Batman to be sophisticated and artistic.
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I want to see Daredevil, heck, I'll probably buy the DVD the day it comes out.
Good, because Daredevil is a great movie.
"You're good baby I'll give you that.....but me? I'm magic!"
-Bullseye Daredevil movie
Hungry Like the Wolf
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| thebigword
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| "Re(4):Daredevil, Spider-man are better than H" , posted Sat 28 Jun 07:41
Forced GG storyline? Explain how it was forced.
, and Dafoe as the Green Goblin himself. He annoying,
I thought Dafoe did an excellent job portraying two sides of the same coin.
and his costume was horrible. I saw pre-production artwork and costumes of the Green Goblin, and they were amazingly better than that of the final product. I really loved the first hour of that movie.
I agree that the GG costume wasn't as good as I think it could've been, but I didn't really like any of the pre-production costume work for him either. I'd rather him have something closer to the comic. I still didn't think the costume was horrible though.
I like it, I even bought the DVD, but to me, the Hulk was so much better. The only way I can describe it is to say: It's a sophisticated and artistic comic book movie. Not for kids, but for the older folk. Kind of like Batman, and I stretch it so far to even say, The Crow.
I'd rather it not be a sophisticated and artistic comic book movie to be honest. I'd rather it reflect the source material closely. Not that it didn't in it's own way. Personally, I didn't really think the Hulk was sophisticated and artistic. I think people try to read too much into things sometimes. No offense. I never found Batman to be sophisticated and artistic.
I want to see Daredevil, heck, I'll probably buy the DVD the day it comes out.
Good, because Daredevil is a great movie.
Each of us have our own tastes. To me, the mixing of the origin of GG and Spider-Man was unnecesary. Now, i know you have to have your villan, but I think they should have saved him for a sequel. He is one of the most dangerous and notorious Spider-villans out there. They could have spent more time with him. Don't get me wrong, Dafoe is a decent actor, but I thought he was trying to hard to become the next Jack Nicholson/Joker.
Maybe sophisticated is too strong of a word. Maybe the phrase, "for the older crowd" is better. The older crowd was not it's target audience, I know that.
Bottom line, I think the Hulk is a superior film to Spider-Man. You think Spider-Man and Daredevil are superior to the Hulk. What else can be said? Except, "Nuff Said!"
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| KTallguy
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| "Re(6):Daredevil, Spider-man are better than H" , posted Sat 28 Jun 09:27:
When I was talking about the fight scene, I primarly meant the first one in the bar. Bullseye was excellent, although I remember most of the fight about DD chasing him and being deafened by those organs.
The Hulk seemed to reflect the material of the comic book (I've done just a little research), except for his father and the entire genetic thing. Could be wrong.
I guess Spiderman and DD were more "made for the masses". Ang Lee turned Hulk into something different. That's not to say that Spiderman wasn't good, and DD wasn't good. But I was actually really thinking about Hulk when I walked out of the theater. The film really makes you think about the dynamics between him and his father. Admittedly, it has some unrealistic parts...
...but overall it was good. I'm probably going to need to watch Hulk again to understand it a bit better.
Now walking out of Spiderman, I really didn't need to think about anything other than how cheesy the ending was =P ... Comic book stories don't always make the greatest movies. Just like books usually are much better than their movie counterparts. Although Spiderman was good in it's own right, like DD, it just didn't have any scope. DD and Spiderman ended, and god knows that there is going to be sequels to both of those movies, telling more about their adventures. But I still wonder about the Hulk and about how he copes with his powers. The other two are pretty one sided characters, but it seems like Banner actually has a life that he left behind.
I'm sorry for ranting, but it's early in the morning and I felt like it =P, keep in mind this is just how I feel. I respect everyone's opinion... that extends to you hungrywolf =)
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