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Sensenic

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"Microsoft: GBA - GC connection is useless" , posted Thu 19 Jun 06:23

Whoa! Read the article here (the "Microsoft slams Nintendo..." link), they explain it better than I'd do.

But... since when a handheld system is "less social" than a normal console, and specially less than Xbox Live? If you want to play multiplayer games with a handheld, you have to be with other people to do so. Is playing with Xbox live, alone at home talking through a microphone and headphones, more social than that? I think I don't see his point (other than the commercial strategy, that is).

About the connectivity, well... it's true that it's an excuse to make you buy both Nintendo sistems instead of only one, but at least it's a good idea that opens a lot of possibilities, if done right, like "moving" pad for Monkey Ball, maps for Zelda, character stats in FFCC, and so.

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Hungrywolf

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"Re(1):Microsoft: GBA - GC connection is usele" , posted Thu 19 Jun 07:10

quote:
Whoa! Read the article here (the "Microsoft slams Nintendo..." link), they explain it better than I'd do.

But... since when a handheld system is "less social" than a normal console, and specially less than Xbox Live? If you want to play multiplayer games with a handheld, you have to be with other people to do so. Is playing with Xbox live, alone at home talking through a microphone and headphones, more social than that? I think I don't see his point (other than the commercial strategy, that is).

About the connectivity, well... it's true that it's an excuse to make you buy both Nintendo sistems instead of only one, but at least it's a good idea that opens a lot of possibilities, if done right, like "moving" pad for Monkey Ball, maps for Zelda, character stats in FFCC, and so.

I love my GBA, and have found the connectivity to GCN very interesting. And it doesn't require that you buy both systems, you just get more if you do get both. Besides, most people who buy a GCN probably have a GBA.

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Mosquiton

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"Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles" , posted Thu 19 Jun 07:36

Is going to be the big one, IMO.

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Fro Boy11

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"Re(1):Microsoft: GBA - GC connection is usele" , posted Thu 19 Jun 07:43

quote:
Whoa! Read the article here (the "Microsoft slams Nintendo..." link), they explain it better than I'd do.

But... since when a handheld system is "less social" than a normal console, and specially less than Xbox Live? If you want to play multiplayer games with a handheld, you have to be with other people to do so. Is playing with Xbox live, alone at home talking through a microphone and headphones, more social than that? I think I don't see his point (other than the commercial strategy, that is).

About the connectivity, well... it's true that it's an excuse to make you buy both Nintendo sistems instead of only one, but at least it's a good idea that opens a lot of possibilities, if done right, like "moving" pad for Monkey Ball, maps for Zelda, character stats in FFCC, and so.

Just because of that shit I'm gonna buy a GB Player, and a shit load of games. I can't stand Microsoft, I really can't. I'm sure the GB Player will help Nintendo out in the US a little bit, but slamming Nintendo isn't gonna help Microsoft's chances any better in Japan at all.

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hasukii

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Gold Customer

"Re(1):Microsoft: GBA - GC connection is usele" , posted Thu 19 Jun 07:45

i agree ... playing multi user in GBA and xbox is totaly different .. although it cant beat the multi player environment gives by GBA ..

i heard gamecube is gonna deal with LAN games ????

hmmm ?

Radish

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Red Carpet Executive Member

"Re(1):Microsoft: GBA - GC connection is usele" , posted Thu 19 Jun 09:56

Although I disagree with Microsoft since portable gaming and internet gaming are really hard to compare, I do think Nintendo's preoccupation with daisy chaining peripherals together is needlessly expensive and gimmicky.

CrazyMike

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"Re(2):Microsoft: GBA - GC connection is usele" , posted Thu 19 Jun 10:14

I do not see the big deal in the dissing, over the past few years, its been common of the big companies to make outrageous statements for publicity. One of them being Sony's, "We've already won...Dammit."
Not to say its not childish but this is not a Microsoft only thing.

Fro Boy11

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"Re(3):Microsoft: GBA - GC connection is usele" , posted Thu 19 Jun 10:21

quote:
I do not see the big deal in the dissing, over the past few years, its been common of the big companies to make outrageous statements for publicity. One of them being Sony's, "We've already won...Dammit."
Not to say its not childish but this is not a Microsoft only thing.

yeah, I remember Sony saying that, but I expect them to do that because of the 2 new competitors they have to deal with. Sony is the top dog and they have to make sure that people still KNOW that they're the top dog.

What I don't get is I check out gaming polls about Microsoft and they ask people across the US what consoles they own and they say PS2 and GC mostly, but how can the Xbox sell more than the GC in the US? I don't get it. Of course, I guess the polls aren't very accurate. I mean they can't ask EVERYONE, now can they.

Still waiting for a Dan Hibiki and Robert Garcia dream match!

Juan

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"Re(2):Microsoft: GBA - GC connection is usele" , posted Thu 19 Jun 10:59

Yeah for the new Mario Kart game. Hopefully that means they will actually start to create more first party online/lan games.

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i heard gamecube is gonna deal with LAN games ????

Kikkoken

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Silver Customer

"Re(3):Microsoft: GBA - GC connection is usele" , posted Thu 19 Jun 11:06

Whoever said that statement on behalf of Microsoft should simply show more respect to a company which is in a sense its ancestor in the field of videogames. Being grateful to Nintendo could only help Microsoft improve its image.

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Omar
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Frequent Customer

"Re(4):Microsoft: GBA - GC connection is usele" , posted Thu 19 Jun 11:59

They are selling more units and copies than Nintendo and have more developers. They are competitors. There is no need to be grateful.

It's a bussines after all.

I'mean, hey, I don't remember Sega being grateful to Nintendo, or SNK or 3D0 or Sony, etc.

quote:
Whoever said that statement on behalf of Microsoft should simply show more respect to a company which is in a sense its ancestor in the field of videogames. Being grateful to Nintendo could only help Microsoft improve its image.

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Kaepora
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"Re(4):Microsoft: GBA/GC connection is useless" , posted Thu 19 Jun 12:06

quote:
Whoever said that statement on behalf of Microsoft should simply show more respect to a company which is in a sense its ancestor in the field of videogames. Being grateful to Nintendo could only help Microsoft improve its image.

I don't really see Moore's statements as disrespectfull though; yeah, it's skewed publicity to sway people towards their side (the aforementioned social slant), but I didn't find anything that was said to be rude or out of line towards Nintendo. He slammed on handheld gaming in general (don't forget - Sony's has a portable planned, and there's the N-Gauge), and he said that Microsoft isn't planning to go portable anytime in the forseeable future.

When asked about the portable-console link, he said that he doesn't see the value of it. I can't hear how he said it, but his response in text doesn't seem disrespectfull at all.

Personally, FF:CC and Four Swords (to a lesser extent) are the only games I can see that actually justify having (and advertising) a linkup with the GBA. It sounds like FF:CC was designed with the connection required from the start instead of adding on extra trophies or trivial stuff after the game is over with like so many other GC games.

He||SinG
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Regular Customer

"Re(1):Moor's statement is A pile of bullcrap" , posted Thu 19 Jun 13:57

Moore's statement is bullcrap. With that lineup of games and he's getting all high and confident. Not that i'm biased against the Xbox but the kind of games on tt huge black box isnt appealing to me, i'm better of with a PC. Lets just wait and see. And what does he mean by "True Fantasy Live Online is going to be a huge weapon for us there. An MMORPG for a console, which the Japanese market is dying for, and we'll be the first to do it." Isn't Final Fantasy XI the first MMORPG for a console?

His next annoying statement "I just don't quite understand how utilisation of a handheld device, working with a console... I need to know in gaming terms what it does for me." Do we need to get all technical with sophisticated reasons for linking a handheld to a console?! To be able to play zelda with another fren controlling tingle frm the GBA is already a BIG plus. And furthermore, more games in future will support the GBA linkup with alot more extras in the game for dept and fun. His theories and perception of gaming isn't for everybody, and he dun understand gamers. His modernlistic gaming plans to me isnt impressive at all. To make it worse, i felt sick after reading it. Xbox isnt going anywhere (The games justifies it)

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Burning Ranger

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"Re(2):Moor's statement is A pile of bullcrap" , posted Thu 19 Jun 15:38

I have to disagree. As much as I don't want to believe, Microsoft has taken a big hold on the mainstream gaming market, and they are indeed #2 in the US market. It might not be doing so well in Japan, but in the US, its second to the PS2, and that's good enough.

I have to agree with his comments about portable->console connectivity. I remember KOF Dreammatch 1999's connectivity with the Neo Geo Pocket's KOFR-2. I never got the connection cord and I dont think I ever will, because it didnt offer anything really important. On a more recent example, is it really necessary to have a GBA connected to Zelda: The Wind Waker? Personally, I didn't care. As far as their grand scheme of online gaming is concerned, a handheld console just doesn't fit in at the moment...

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OYashiroForever

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"Let the system wars begin... or not." , posted Thu 19 Jun 17:35

quote:
I have to disagree. As much as I don't want to believe, Microsoft has taken a big hold on the mainstream gaming market, and they are indeed #2 in the US market. It might not be doing so well in Japan, but in the US, its second to the PS2, and that's good enough.

If this were any other board, this would start a 100+ post system war flame thread. Not that these remarks were intended to be incendiary. That's just the nature of internet forums: Stupid people yelling at the top of their lungs about stupid things.

Sorry... I was just making the remark as a sort of comment to myself on the overall intelligence and even-tempered nature of the people here.

Carry on.

Oh... and by the by, Peter Moore is an empty-headed suit. Always has been... always will be. Then again, it is kinda nice to see somebody spouting nonsensical rhetoric in the post-Yamauchi age. :) Oh, and GBA/GC connectivity is a far better idea than giving anti-social prepubescants microphones in an online community.

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Radish

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"Re(1):Let the system wars begin... or not." , posted Thu 19 Jun 17:58

quote:
Oh, and GBA/GC connectivity is a far better idea than giving anti-social prepubescants microphones in an online community.

I disagree. I'm read some hilarious pranks people have pulled on little kids with those head sets. I'd never use one but the comedic possiblities are definetely there.

Time Mage

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"Re(4):Microsoft: GBA - GC connection is usele" , posted Thu 19 Jun 18:03

quote:

What I don't get is I check out gaming polls about Microsoft and they ask people across the US what consoles they own and they say PS2 and GC mostly, but how can the Xbox sell more than the GC in the US? I don't get it. Of course, I guess the polls aren't very accurate. I mean they can't ask EVERYONE, now can they.

The reason is very simple: the gaming polls you've seen were on gaming sites. People who attend gaming sites tend to be more on the PS2 and GC side than in the XBox side. So, the polls are biased.
It's like asking at Nintendo.com forums "what's better GC or PS2" you'll have a non-accurate answer because of the audience spectrum you were asking to.

CrazyMike

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"Re(5):Microsoft: GBA - GC connection is usele" , posted Thu 19 Jun 19:48

Problem I see is that the connection features appear to be more of a novelty rather than in new and creative uses. I mean in Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, the GBA is only used as a controller and interface--something that would be better left on the screen of the TV like all FF Games so you don't have to constantly look down at your GBA and back up again?

He||SinG
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Regular Customer

"Re(6):Microsoft: GBA - GC connection is usele" , posted Thu 19 Jun 22:01

quote:
Problem I see is that the connection features appear to be more of a novelty rather than in new and creative uses. I mean in Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, the GBA is only used as a controller and interface--something that would be better left on the screen of the TV like all FF Games so you don't have to constantly look down at your GBA and back up again?

Perhaps the GBA connetivity for FFCC as a controller was a bad idea. Yes, i agree it would be really costly juz to purchase the GBA for that game. Hell we even need to purchase the link cable to be able to connect BUT we cant just judge now. I believe the connection would serve more den just a controller in some aspect, just have to wait and see.

In Singapore, the Xbox system is so hard to sell that Microsoft had to attract consumers with the $1 dollar Xbox price tag (Tat is if shoppers have purchased at least $500 worth of stuff at any participating shopping malls). And so many people go frenzy over that ridiculous offer (not cos its a great system, but to later sell it off at Ebay to earn a profit). That event was a joke.

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