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| Radish 1355th Post
 
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|  "Re(3):Karin Kanzuki"
, posted Fri 13 Jun 04:44:
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I LOVE KARIN!! I am surprised to see her there, but happy, I am not alone! She needs to be in another game, but she needs some tweaking to her fighting first, her command throw shouldn't be a 360 motion and her anti-air super is pretty damned useless, but jeez, she's so nifty. Oooh ho ho ho ho ho!!
Reppakuns->Kick->Airsuper = Bliss.
It works pretty good in certain combos and looks impressive. I definetely wouldn't trade Aism Karin for Xism, but she does need a little tweeking in certain aspects.
Even if she isn't playable in another game, they should at least work her into the story as politician or businesswoman or something like ZamI am said. I wish Capcom wasn't so scared about changing the appearance of their characters.
EDIT: Forgot about Cody. They did a real 180 there, but admitedly he's not on the same level as Ken or Sakura or anything like that.
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| Batsu
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|  "on: Karin"
, posted Sat 14 Jun 06:52
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Am I the only one surprised to see her in the 4th position of the SF poll? I mean, I'm a Karin user, but I never expected to see her so high. And I'm glad to see Makoto and Ibuki in the 7th and 8th positions.
I'm glad to see Makoto and Karin rank so high. They're two of my favorite Capcom females ever. (Natsu takes the top spot, and those two follow...) I'm glad to have seen Match of The Millenium not forget Karin (by having her as Capcom's manager), but how can her own company forget her, dang it.
Oh, BTW, Sakura Ganbaru! wasn't a doujinshi; Capcom authorized the use of the Capcom characters in it... it was like the Cammy serial they used to have (done by the same artist, even). They had one on Ryu, as well.
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| Time Mage 1500th Post
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| "Re(1):Karin Kanzuki" , posted Wed 18 Jun 08:01
I think I'm pretty late for the discussion, you're now in the jokes period, but anyways...
I've always liked Karin, but never knew to use her until last month. And she's incredibily funny to use, as well as very original and varied. She has counters, combo moves, juggles, overheads and a command throw! Fighting with her is great, you have so many possibilities.
So, take a good design, and add a great gameplay to it, and you have a great character. Plus, she's female.
BTW, Kyoko needs the glasses in the Volley game!! (not that sure about the high heels... too dangerous.)
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| Dash no Chris
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| "Re(10):Karin Kanzuki" , posted Mon 23 Jun 16:57
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Meanwhile, as Karin did start out in that doujinshi, does anyone know the story of how they acquired her? Sort of odd for a company to take a character out of an unofficial product and insert it into the mainstream (the artist's dream, I'm sure!)...
But Sakura Ganbaru! was a Capcom-endorsed manga, much like those on Cammy and Ryu (all done by the same artist). Dash no Chris has more info on it...that's why Karin got in the game. Even though Karin was designed/created by the artist, Capcom endorsed and allowed the usage of their characters in that manga.
As Batsu pointed out, Nakahira Masahiko's CAPCOM-related works were serialized manga, not privately-published doujinshi (Cammy Gaiden was published in Weekly Shounen Sunday, Street Fighter ZERO in Gamest Magazine, Sakura Ganbaru! in Monthly Comic Gamest, and Street Fighter III RYU FINAL in Gamest Magazine).
Whether or not elements of Nakahira's manga were entirely his original creations, and CAPCOM simply incorporated them in later games, I cannot say. My personal theory is that CAPCOM gave Nakahira advance information on their plans for future games and requested that he incorporate these elements in his manga.
Example: Ryu's use of Shin Shouryuuken to defeat Vega in the final chapter of Nakahira's Street Fighter ZERO manga.
This chapter was published in the 7/30/96 issue of Gamest Magazine. Shin Shouryuuken first appeared in a video game in SFIII (released 02/1997), and later in SFZ3 (07/1998) [as one of two possible animation sequences for his Metsu Shouryuuken super combo].
Given the amount of time that SFIII had to have spent in development prior to its February, 1997 arcade debut, it seems likely to me that CAPCOM had already conceived the Shin Shouryuuken prior to Nakahira drawing the final chapter in spring/summer 1996 -- whether the original concept of the Shin Shouryuuken came entirely from CAPCOM, Nakahira, or a collaboration between the two is a question I'll leave for Nakahira.
Example: the new character Kanzuki Karin, and the prominent roles of Cammy and Blanka, in Nakahira's Sakura Ganbaru! manga.
Sakura Ganbaru! appeared in Comic Gamest from 09/1996 thru 08/1997. Street Fighter ZERO 3 (the debut of Kazuki Karin as a game character, and the return of Cammy and Blanka to the SF game series) was released in arcades 07/1998. SFZ2 appeared in arcades in 03/1996 -- it's likely that early development / pre-production work on SFZ3 began around that time. Again, it seems likely to me that CAPCOM had already conceived Kanzuki Karin (and the return of Cammy and Blanka) prior to Nakahira's creation of the Sakura Ganbaru! manga. In the case of Kanzuki Karin's conception, I suspect a more collaborative effort between Nakahira and CAPCOM (as opposed to CAPCOM being the only original source, saying "hey, Nakahira, we've created a rival character for Sakura -- make a comic introducing her").
Example: the Satsui no Hadou ni mezameta Ryu plot element in Nakahira's Street Fighter ZERO manga.
Street Fighter ZERO appeared in Gamest Magazine from the 8/15/95 issue thru the 7/30/96 issue (the first 2 chapters introduced the concept of Satsui no Hadou ni mezameta Ryu). Satsui no Hadou ni mezameta Ryu did not appear as a playable character until the release of Street Fighter Alpha 2 (in the U.S.) [approx. April, 1996] and Street Fighter ZERO 2 ALPHA (in Japan) [August, 1996]. The concept of Satsui no Hadou itself, however, was introduced in the Street Fighter ZERO game in June, 1995 -- at that time, of course, it only pertained to Gouki. I'm thinking that such an important and game series-influencing plot concept as Ryu succumbing to Satsui no Hadou was probably more CAPCOM's idea, and the company naturally approached Nakahira about the possibility of a manga based on this concept due to the success of his Cammy Gaiden manga.
One thing that I'd always hoped might make the transition from Nakahira's works to CAPCOM's was the glimpses he gave us into possible futures for Ryu, Gouki, and Sakura.
At the end of Street Fighter III RYU FINAL, Gouki is destroyed in his final battle with Ryu, and Ryu is left with a huge, starburst-shaped scar on his chest. The last chapter of RYU FINAL was published in the 12/15/98 issue of Gamest Magazine. SFIII 3rd STRIKE wasn't released in Japanese arcades until 05/1999. Upon reading the concluding chapter of RYU FINAL, I'd hoped that CAPCOM might incorporate the fates of Ryu and Gouki into some of the endings of SFIII 3rd. Unfortunately, this didn't happen -- of course, from CAPCOM's point of view, what's the point of killing off a popular character like Gouki when there's still money to be made from him?
The final chapter of Sakura Ganbaru! showed an older Sakura as a girls' P.E. teacher (presumably at her old high school, since she and her family appear to still be living in the same house as the earlier portion of the manga). I'm hoping that CAPCOM might one day include this older Sakura -- and an older Karin, now the elegantly-dressed head of the Kanzuki Zaibatsu -- in a Street Fighter installment (SFIV, perhaps?).
--Chris
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