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| Grave 367th Post
 
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|  "Re(2):Famitsu Grades [ KOF '02 & MS3' slaught"
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Why is a staight port of a 4 year old Dreamcast game that was 'ok' at the time getting a silver award? If Nintendo ported Super Mario Bros straight to Gamecube would that get a 40 since it was so great 2 decades ago??
For my money, SA is still one of the best 3D action games ever. It's no Mario 64, but I'd take it over Mario Sunshine. The game's visuals, gameplay, music, the whole atmosphere of it all was really great. And yet it still managed to feel like a Sonic game while making a lot of progress forward. SA2 was also great, but I prefer the first still, heh.
It doesn't help that most 3D action/platform games now are developed by US companies not known for producing quality games to begin with, and saddled with unimaginative, "edgy" characters like Vexx. Ugh. Then there's stuff like Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank... not terrible, but really, really overrated. And hideous character designs.
I plan on paying full price to buy SA1 again, if there are enough improvements, heh. It brought me a lot of enjoyment the first time around, and I think I'd really like to rediscover it with new additions.
Hah, thinking of when I first played through SA1 reminds me of the times when I was playing my Japanese Dreamcast before the US launch... playing MvC1 in my basement with friends that summer while people pumped quarters into it in the arcade, heh heh.
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| Radish 1346th Post
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| "Re(3):Famitsu Grades [ KOF '02 & MS3' slaught" , posted Wed 11 Jun 22:06:
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Why is a staight port of a 4 year old Dreamcast game that was 'ok' at the time getting a silver award? If Nintendo ported Super Mario Bros straight to Gamecube would that get a 40 since it was so great 2 decades ago??
For my money, SA is still one of the best 3D action games ever. It's no Mario 64, but I'd take it over Mario Sunshine. The game's visuals, gameplay, music, the whole atmosphere of it all was really great. And yet it still managed to feel like a Sonic game while making a lot of progress forward. SA2 was also great, but I prefer the first still, heh.
It doesn't help that most 3D action/platform games now are developed by US companies not known for producing quality games to begin with, and saddled with unimaginative, "edgy" characters like Vexx. Ugh. Then there's stuff like Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank... not terrible, but really, really overrated. And hideous character designs.
I plan on paying full price to buy SA1 again, if there are enough improvements, heh. It brought me a lot of enjoyment the first time around, and I think I'd really like to rediscover it with new additions.
Hah, thinking of when I first played through SA1 reminds me of the times when I was playing my Japanese Dreamcast before the US launch... playing MvC1 in my basement with friends that summer while people pumped quarters into it in the arcade, heh heh.
If SA was just more Sonic and Tails, it would have been great, but they junked it up with boring quests like Big the Cat's fishing and Knuckles' easter egg hunt. At the time I thought it was still good (I loved the snow/sandboarding levels), but with a few flaws like the camera and too many commands mapped to the same buttons.
However SADX is the same exact game with a bunch of Gamegear games thrown in as unlockables. I guess if you liked those games it's worth it, but I think that charging current full price is a little steep. If Sonic Team had tweaked the camera, maybe added some more levels for Sonic, and polished the Chao minigame, it could have been a really nice remake, though.
On the topic of Famitsu, I think their reviews in general are a bit overrated. Like Exodus, I find myself disagreeing quite often.
[this message was edited by Radish on Wed 11 Jun 22:09] |
| Grave 370th Post
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| "Re(4):Famitsu Grades [ KOF '02 & MS3' slaught" , posted Wed 11 Jun 23:06
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If SA was just more Sonic and Tails, it would have been great, but they junked it up with boring quests like Big the Cat's fishing and Knuckles' easter egg hunt. At the time I thought it was still good (I loved the snow/sandboarding levels), but with a few flaws like the camera and too many commands mapped to the same buttons.
The Knuckles levels I didn't mind... Big, on the other hand... Bleh! However, on a whole, I still do love the game.
My hope was that SADX would do something, ANYTHING to improve the final boss battle. Perfect Chaos looked amazing in the video before the battle, and seemed to be truly huge... and then they cut to the actual model of Perfect Chaos, which is kind of cute, with its jaw flopping around, looking somewhat harmless. I was kinda bothered by this.
And then the music... they play Open Your Heart which is an excellent theme to fight the final boss to.. for half the fight. The last half plays this somewhat-dramatic theme that never stands out nor sticks in your head... weird choice.
I just wish Perfect Chaos would look closer in-game to the one in the FMV. It could be done on GC, now... the whole battle could be redone to make Perfect Chaos seem as huge as it is, too... but nah. They'll take the easy way out, I guess. Sad.
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However SADX is the same exact game with a bunch of Gamegear games thrown in as unlockables. I guess if you liked those games it's worth it, but I think that charging current full price is a little steep. If Sonic Team had tweaked the camera, maybe added some more levels for Sonic, and polished the Chao minigame, it could have been a really nice remake, though.
I still haven't played the US version of SA, with the camera improvements, or even SA International. I guess the so-called improvements didn't help that much, huh?
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On the topic of Famitsu, I think their reviews in general are a bit overrated. Like Exodus, I find myself disagreeing quite often.
I don't understand why anyone goes nuts over Famitsu's scores anymore. They're totally out there and I hardly every agree, heh. Still don't know how Ocarina of Time got a 40...
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| Grave 371th Post
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| "Re(6):Famitsu Grades [ KOF '02 & MS3' slaught" , posted Wed 11 Jun 23:57
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Because, when all is said and done, reviews are as biased as the people writing them.
I'd like to think that we all know that deep down, but it's easy to forget when you feel like someone is insulting your personal likes and dislikes.
Well, yeah. There's really no such thing as an objective video game review because different people are gonna like different things... So why do people treat Famitsu as this giant, important benchmark to rate the goodness of things? Is it just the English-speaking fans who do this, or do people go nuts over it in Japan, too? I don't quite get it...
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(Relevant or not, Wind Waker also got a 40/40.)
And herein lies the problem with giving any game a perfect score! There's always room for improvement. Wind Waker fixed every issue I had with OoT, and even people who liked OoT seem to agree that it plays better. I guess you can't really reflect that in the scores once they max out...
But then it could be argued that the scores only really count for the period of time the game was released in, and the games released around it.
It could also be argued that if you're always afraid to rate a game highly because of getting too close to maxing the scores out due to subsequent improvements in later games, no game would get good scores.
It could also be argued that I totally forgot what I'm talking about and it's almost 3 AM so I'm going to bed.
I gotta stop doing this every night.
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| ShadowSonic
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| "Just to check..." , posted Thu 12 Jun 00:37:
As a point of reference, how much did KOF2001 DC and KOF2000 PS2 get?
And can anyone with the magazine say what their major issues with this game were?
Where darkness turns to light and order turns to chaos. 2003.
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| DarkZero
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| "Re(1):Just to check..." , posted Thu 12 Jun 01:45
The entire point of magazine reviews for a gamer should be to find a magazine whose reviewers match their own tastes and then use those reviewers to give games a test drive for them. "Don't put stock in magazine reviews" or "OMG the biggest American/Japanese/European/Asian gaming magazine said it sucks!" are both very generalized approaches that don't work. You should buy some copies of a few magazines and see which ones you agree with.
For instance, Official PlayStation Magazine thought that Suikoden 3 really hit its stride at roughly the same time that the story was put on the backburner for awhile and that Shinobi should have points chipped off of its score because it's too difficult for "anyone" to play. This means that OPM is not for me. EGM, on the other hand, thought that Suikoden 3 was a better-than-average RPG with an innovative plot device, that Shinobi absolutely kicked ass as long as you like really hard games, that the main thing that their readers would want to know about Devil May Cry 2 is whether or not it was still as hard and fun as the original, and gave high praise to Ico and better-than-average scores to Maximo and Guilty Gear XX (and most 2D fighters, for that matter)... this goes on. Basically, I've agreed with them on every game except Final Fantasy X and Metroid Prime. Therefore, when they say that Enter the Matrix has lackluster gameplay, that Devil May Cry 2 is too easy, and that Disaster Report (Zettai Zetsumei Toshi) was a brilliant idea that was poorly executed, I tend to believe them and generally trust their scores.
Famitsu, on the other hand... I can't even count how many times I've seen their scores on Magic Box and not wondered WTF they were thinking. That seems to be the consensus here, too. So why are you listening to the biggest gaming magazine in Japan if you don't usually agree with them? That's like a very liberal person listening to Charleton Heston talk about gun control and saying, "Oh my God, I can't believe CHARLETON HESTON doesn't think gun control is a good thing!". Just because they're popular and/or respected by lots of people doesn't mean that their recommendations suit you.
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