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| Ishmael 710th Post
 
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|  "Latest MMCafe SvC update"
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Thanks for the latest round-up of information, it was very informative. A few thoughts and questions came up while reading:
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The game apparently runs on a new NeoGeo hardware
*blink* Has any new information confirming or elaborating on this come up yet?
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Right now, the Shoto characters are ruling the game. The big characters, on the other hand, are at the bottom of the game balance. Hugo can't do anything if he ends up end to end across the screen with an opponent who has a projectile. Earthquake can get out of those sticky situations by using his moves. Since the game has no roll, it seems to be hard to get out of corner traps.
As has already been noted, the domination of the karate boys may be short lived since all the tricks and characters in the game haven't been fully explored. But, still, I'm already worried about Hugo. Having Akuma hop around throwing fireballs could give the big man trouble back during his SF3 run and that was with parrying. Now that Hugo's bigger than a house he may be nothing more than a giant target. Does his hand clap snuff fireballs or does his rushing clothesline have autoguard or something that might help him out?
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The CPU is old-style SNK: they're strong since they have instant reaction towards the player's moves.
Bleh, I had hoped that the CPU for fighters had finally gotten away from having psychic opponents. There are some aspects of old games that should be left behind and having the CPU counter a move before it even comes out is one of them.
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- Chunli's spinning bird kick penetrates through the opponent.
I'm not quite sure what this means. Could someone explain this one to me?
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| DarkZero
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| "Re(1):Latest MMCafe SvC update" , posted Mon 9 Jun 18:39
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As has already been noted, the domination of the karate boys may be short lived since all the tricks and characters in the game haven't been fully explored. But, still, I'm already worried about Hugo. Having Akuma hop around throwing fireballs could give the big man trouble back during his SF3 run and that was with parrying. Now that Hugo's bigger than a house he may be nothing more than a giant target. Does his hand clap snuff fireballs or does his rushing clothesline have autoguard or something that might help him out?
Ryu's defensive super is roughly three times the width of Rock Howard's and its effect is anti-air, so it stretches just as high. After playing way too much two-player Mark of the Wolves and seeing how a really good Rock player can abuse the Hell out of that super and then fill the meter right back up, I can positively say that that is fucked up. If it comes out fast enough and does standard super move damage, it would probably be the most powerful defensive super that I've seen in a fighting game. Defensive moves can be really powerful, at least among players of higher than average skill (I don't know about tournament level), and Ryu's powerful enough without a defensive move like that, unlike, say, Rock Howard or Freeman.
Maybe it will be balanced out by the super moves of the other characters, but if that's the case, then would that really be a fun game? Personally, I prefer the sort of smaller, more specific super moves that Mark of the Wolves and Last Blade have to the bigger Capcom ones.
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| RugalBernstein 4221th Post
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| "Re(1):Latest MMCafe SvC update" , posted Mon 9 Jun 21:37:
I really look forward to this game. Despite all the "shotos" (I'm growing sick of this phrase), there are more than enough people I like; and besides, realistically, even though a lot of you are whining, I'd wager you use either Ryu, Ken, or Gouki on a regular basis, or if playing an SNK game, Terry, Kyo, or Iori.
Anyway, the purpose of betas are to find problems and iron them out. Don't forget this fact.
Edit: Sloppy.
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| Cain Highwind
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| "Re(2):Latest MMCafe SvC update" , posted Mon 9 Jun 22:19
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I really look forward to this game. Despite all the "shotos" (I'm growing sick of this phrase), there are more than enough people I like; and besides, realistically, even though a lot of you are whining, I'd wager you use either Ryu, Ken, or Gouki on a regular basis, or if playing an SNK game, Terry, Kyo, or Iori.
Anyway, the purpose of betas are to find problems and iron them out. Don't forget this fact.
Well I'm reading the beta test report and I'm honestly worried a little bit. Buggy Animation? CVS2 Announcer?
On the other hand though, the game looks slick in gameplay when I see the videos. And the roster is fine by me. Graphics and the new SNK-ized Capcom sprites look great. And I certainly can't wait to play as DAN! Of course with some of the complaints it could be just personal dislike and tedious complaints in the long run.
For example, in CVS there's that really crappy, point system, the rest of the game was ok. In CVS2, I noticed Rock doesn't have his "crouching hair stroke" animation from MOTW. And Iori's laugh animation is rather sloppy compared to KOF, where Capcom just takes a sprite and then moves the upper half up and down to make it look like laughter. But that didn't mean CVS2 was bad overall.
And this IS the beta test like Rugal said. A month is certainly enough time to fix reported bugs. Not to mention the PS2 port is expected in DECEMBER (or sometime around there).
In a nutshell, I'm worried of what people are reporting about the gameplay, but I'm STILL just as anxious to play as I was when the game was first announced.
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| Dr Baghead 2276th Post
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| "Re(3):Latest MMCafe SvC update" , posted Mon 9 Jun 22:28
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Well I'm reading the beta test report and I'm honestly worried a little bit. Buggy Animation? CVS2 Announcer?
On the other hand though, the game looks slick in gameplay when I see the videos. And the roster is fine by me. Graphics and the new SNK-ized Capcom sprites look great. And I certainly can't wait to play as DAN! Of course with some of the complaints it could be just personal dislike and tedious complaints in the long run.
For example, in CVS there's that really crappy, point system, the rest of the game was ok. In CVS2, I noticed Rock doesn't have his "crouching hair stroke" animation from MOTW. And Iori's laugh animation is rather sloppy compared to KOF, where Capcom just takes a sprite and then moves the upper half up and down to make it look like laughter. But that didn't mean CVS2 was bad overall.
And this IS the beta test like Rugal said. A month is certainly enough time to fix reported bugs. Not to mention the PS2 port is expected in DECEMBER (or sometime around there).
In a nutshell, I'm worried of what people are reporting about the gameplay, but I'm STILL just as anxious to play as I was when the game was first announced.
The only thing I want out of SvC is for Dan to be playable in the homeport (locked in the arcade is fine, but I need to be able to play as him!!!) after that the game could be stick figures with collusion boxes that randomly change size and disappear and I'd be happy.
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| TiamatRoar 371th Post
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| "Re(2):Latest MMCafe SvC update" , posted Mon 9 Jun 22:37
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I really look forward to this game. Despite all the "shotos" (I'm growing sick of this phrase), there are more than enough people I like; and besides, realistically, even though a lot of you are whining, I'd wager you use either Ryu, Ken, or Gouki on a regular basis, or if playing an SNK game, Terry, Kyo, or Iori.
No, I use Ryu, Ken, and Gouki every once in a while, but generally follow a balanced diet of using lots of other gameplay styles when I can, too. Such as Guy, Cody, Juni, Cammy, Karin, Rose, Rolento, Urien, Yun, Yang, Makoto, Alex, Elena, Blanka, and even E. Honda (hey, he plays different from everyone else, at least). All of which are absent from SvC so the game could instead have literally every 'shoto' that exists in the Capcom universe besides Sakura (who's the least shoto-esque of them all, too, IMHO. ...and she's also a female which is a gender that SvC is SORELY lacking, midnight bliss not included).
Well, at least the game has Vega, Balrog, M. Bison, Hugo, and Chun-Li (and Tabassa, whatever the heck she plays like). But it looks like at this rate A3 will continue to be my fave fighting game for a while. Not that I personally think SvC will suck, so much as it won't be a better experience than A3 for me.
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Anyway, the purpose of betas are to find problems and iron them out. Don't forget this fact.
Edit: Sloppy.
They have one month left, don't they? Well, I wish them luck. They'll need it Oo
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| Cain Highwind
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| "Yes Dan rules!!!" , posted Mon 9 Jun 22:45
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The only thing I want out of SvC is for Dan to be playable in the homeport (locked in the arcade is fine, but I need to be able to play as him!!!) after that the game could be stick figures with collusion boxes that randomly change size and disappear and I'd be happy.
Hey, I hear ya! That's probably the ONE thing I most excited about, Seeing Dan, animated SNK style. I hope his Super Taunt is something like his MOTM version! I've always wanted to see that done with "real" sprite animation.
The new super I've heard about, I'm also looking forward to. About time, they made another Ryo parody super.
Just as long as they get Osamu Hatoi, the voice actor for all Dan's appearances, he'll be absolutely perfect. Otherwise, it just wouldn't be him.
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| Grave 355th Post
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| "Gah." , posted Mon 9 Jun 23:04
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MOTHER FUCKIN' DAMMIT.
Its official. This game can go to hell now. The roster is lame (not one single Last Blade character, next generation character sans Hugo, or Fatal Fury exclusive character), that god damn announcer is there, and there's too many silly fireball/uppercutters. Its kinda sad when Capcom uses less "Shoto-esque" characters than SNK/Playmore does in their crossover.
Its supposed to be SNK vs Capcom, not Capcom vs SNK 3!!! I was so hyped about this game, now I'm just disappointed.
I'm really disappointed, too.
Not by the game so far, but by the fan community reaction, really.
OH NO IT HAS THE STUPID LAME ANNOUNCER WHINE WHINE TOO MANY SHOTOS BITCH BITCH THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE MY FAVORITE OBSCURE CHARACTER NOBODY ELSE USES.
Okay, I would have loved to see K', Alex, Remy, Whip, tons of characters who didn't make the roster. But when a game like this is made, realize, not everyone is going to make it in. I'm shocked, quite honestly, about a lot of the decisions. Genjuro, Goenitz, Demitri, Hugo, hell, did anyone expect to see an Evil Ken in a game like this ever?
Everyone's trashing the hell out of this game before they even get their hands on it, and it's kinda getting on my nerves. Isn't anyone excited to actually PLAY the game before passing judgement on it? It seems like everyone's more excited about trashing it beforehand so they hate it when it reaches them.
Just an observation.
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| moonslash
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| "Re(1):Gah." , posted Mon 9 Jun 23:10:
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I'm really disappointed, too.
Not by the game so far, but by the fan community reaction, really.
OH NO IT HAS THE STUPID LAME ANNOUNCER WHINE WHINE TOO MANY SHOTOS BITCH BITCH THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE MY FAVORITE OBSCURE CHARACTER NOBODY ELSE USES.
Okay, I would have loved to see K', Alex, Remy, Whip, tons of characters who didn't make the roster. But when a game like this is made, realize, not everyone is going to make it in. I'm shocked, quite honestly, about a lot of the decisions. Genjuro, Goenitz, Demitri, Hugo, hell, did anyone expect to see an Evil Ken in a game like this ever?
Everyone's trashing the hell out of this game before they even get their hands on it, and it's kinda getting on my nerves. Isn't anyone excited to actually PLAY the game before passing judgement on it? It seems like everyone's more excited about trashing it beforehand so they hate it when it reaches them.
Just an observation.
amen to that! ill always be a 2d fighter loyalist til the end!!!
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| RugalBernstein 4223th Post
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| "Re(2):Yes Dan rules!!!" , posted Mon 9 Jun 23:13:
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Its official. This game can go to hell now. The roster is lame (not one single Last Blade character, next generation character sans Hugo, or Fatal Fury exclusive character), that god damn announcer is there, and there's too many silly fireball/uppercutters. Its kinda sad when Capcom uses less "Shoto-esque" characters than SNK/Playmore does in their crossover.
Wow, just bypass the whole "I'll play it myself, see what I think" logical road, and go over to hating it from the start! A new record! I just hope everyone here who is pissing and moaning doesn't pull a "bastard" and go and download the rom and play the hell out of it. Stick to your guns.
Also: Tiamatroar, even if YOU use a variety of charas, 90% of fighting gamers do not. This is one of the reasons I have a strong dislike of Gouki;There was a stetch of time where I went to the arcade and he was literally the only chara used in Zero 3 for almost two months. Even Ryu wasn't overused to THAT extent. Admittedly, I think it was a freak occurance with bad luck, but some people really just are used way too much, and others not at all (I'm probably the only person who ever uses Birdie there...)
Edit: Oh my god, THANK YOU GRAVE. You beat me too it, I guess... in a much better manner, too. Originally,the "complain without playing" part of my post was about five times as rude, but I felt it was too strong, so I spent a while fiddling with it before posting..
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| Cain Highwind
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| "It's stupid of you to jump to conclusions..." , posted Mon 9 Jun 23:23
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- The announcer voices for the rounds seem to be the same from CvS2
MOTHER FUCKIN' DAMMIT.
Its official. This game can go to hell now. The roster is lame (not one single Last Blade character, next generation character sans Hugo, or Fatal Fury exclusive character), that god damn announcer is there, and there's too many silly fireball/uppercutters. Its kinda sad when Capcom uses less "Shoto-esque" characters than SNK/Playmore does in their crossover.
Its supposed to be SNK vs Capcom, not Capcom vs SNK 3!!! I was so hyped about this game, now I'm just disappointed.
Grave's right, there's too many damn complaints of this game way too soon. It's just *Bitch! Bitch! Bitch!*
Besides Fygee, did you ever think that MAYBE it just SOUNDS like the CVS2 announcer, but really isn't? *Gasp* Naw say it aint so! Even if it were the same voice actor, that doesn't mean he'd sound the EXACT same as in CVS2. It's pretty stupid and lame of you to just naturally assume that just because the beta test reports coming from THIRD PARTIES say that the announcer SEEMS to sound like the CVS2 announcer. Which is what it said exactly, that you assume it as fact AND take the game into consideration that it sucks now.
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| Fygee 672th Post
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| "Re(3):Yes Dan rules!!!" , posted Mon 9 Jun 23:24:
I still intend to shovel quarters into the arcade machine once it gets here, and purchase the PS2 port when its released. There's no doubt in my mind that it will be a fun game to play. After all, its made by SNK/Playmore, do that pretty much guarantees that it'll be a blast to play, right? ;)
HOWEVER.
I'm just highly disappointed because I expected Playmore to do mostly everything right that Capcom didn't, and keep things good where Capcom did.
The MUGEN-style inconsistency of sprites, the large fireball/uppercut advantage (due to the lack of rolls/dodges and simply being overpowered to begin with), the "SF2 and 3 other guys" Capcom roster, the complete oversight of any Last Blade characters (that's a cardinal sin), and while it may seem like a silly complaint to others, the inclusion of the CvS2 announcer (I HATE THAT GUY).
All of these have me peeved, and I expected Playmore to not make mistakes like this. Admittedly, saying the game to go to hell was a little bit of extreme. Especially since I've been advertising the hell out of this game on other "SNK uninformed" boards that I post at, and will continue to do so.
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| TiamatRoar 374th Post
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| "Re(1):Gah." , posted Mon 9 Jun 23:26
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It seems like everyone's more excited about trashing it beforehand so they hate it when it reaches them.
Just an observation.
In all seriousness, I have a feeling that the reason for this is because people don't want their hopes crushed. The more you trash a game before you even play it (and convince yourself that said trashing is true), the less chance you have of being dissappointed. Why so many people are like this now, I do not know for sure, exactly. I do not know why for a fact, though I do have my own personal opinions regarding the matter. I personally am thinking that it's either because people really WERE let-down harshly (I remember so much praise and excitement over Rage of the Dragons then so much dissappointment or apathy after it came out, myself. To a lesser extent, I'd lump the CvS series there, too) or people got their hopes too high up in the first place, leading to unacheivable standards, leading to thus hopes getting crushed. ...or a combination of both.
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| Cain Highwind
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| "Re(4):Yes Dan rules!!!" , posted Mon 9 Jun 23:34
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and while it may seem like a silly complaint to others, the inclusion of the CvS2 announcer (I HATE THAT GUY).
I still think you're jumping the gun here, there's been no footage where we actually hear the announcer for ourselves. Like the Prof says on the page, since the info is coming from 3rd party sources, there's no way all of it can be trusted 100%. Someone may have just said it sounded like the same announcer. His exact words were "It seemed like the CvS2 announcer" It probably just meant the voice actor was the same or similar sounding, not saying the same annoying phrases though. I liked the CvS2 announcer in terms of voice, but the phrases themself were stupid and lame.
And yes, I can understand about your other complaints, but then, they already have 3 unexpected Samurai Shodown characters.
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| DarkZero
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| "Re(7):Yes Dan rules!!!" , posted Tue 10 Jun 00:25
I think that all of you are blowing the complaints out of proportion. When someone says that X is a bad idea or Y really sucks, that means that they probably like the game except for that one part. For instance, when I complained about Ryu's defensive super. I didn't say that the game would suck, or that I would not play it, or that it would be horrible. I objected to Ryu having what seems to be a really overpowered super, just like some people have individually complained about the lack of certain characters, the announcer, etc. I fully intend to play the game and I think it looks fun. I just have a few problems with it. I think that that is how most people are approaching the game, including the ones that you seem to think are "trashing" it.
The only person that I've actually seen say that the entire game would suck is Fygee. That's it. Everyone else just has one or two problems with what is otherwise a surprisingly nice game that thankfully seems a lot better than its initial roster indicated. Just because we're not stopping ourselves to say "... but the game looks good otherwise" doesn't mean that we don't think that. If we thought the whole thing was going to suck, we would say that.
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| RugalBernstein 4225th Post
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| "Re(8):Yes Dan rules!!!" , posted Tue 10 Jun 00:32:
Well, that certainly isn't the impression I've got from most of these posts, and it starts to "pile up". I have yet to hear many comments about what people LIKE in this game here, besides "God, Hugo is huge". Now let's just all drop this and start from a clean slate, before this becomes incredibly stupid like some other recent threads.
Edit: I kind of agree with Fuchi, although I don't think all bosses will be playable, just the mid bosses, an possibly Evil Ken and Orochi Iori. As for Shin Gouki and Shin Mr. Karate, I think it'll be the standard dip switching.
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| Grave 361th Post
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| "Re(2):Oh man..." , posted Tue 10 Jun 00:45
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My only major complaint with the game is that it does not look like much work was put into it. I won't say anything about the gameplay because I do not have it in my hands, but seriously, 3+ years working on it and this is all they have to show for it?
SNK managed to have a better transition between KOF 95 and 96 in only a year with new sprites for every character and a brand new engine. Granted the super stars at SNK have left since the bankrupture, but this game was being worked on before the mess at SNK? I would assume the only thing Playmore had to do was polish a few things up?
...I'll still whore my money out to it though. (Like any good Star Wars fan who was disappointed by the prequels but continues to feed from Lucas's table scraps.)
Mmm... table scraps.
I mean, uh, yeah. I'd like to see higher quality screenshots and some direct feed movies really badly. It's hard to get a feel for how well everything works together from what we're seeing, and eyewitness reports can only tell you so much.
Honestly, even if the game does look badly thrown together, and I never got that impression so far, I doubt it could be worse than MvC2, or even some of the matchups in CvS2. I'd mention Morrigan, but perhaps that'd be brutally pummeling a deceased equine mammal. We'll let that go.
Part of what makes me so curious about the game is the mention of new hardware. I was thinking about finally biting the bullet and getting an MVS board and some games this summer, but if SvC runs on something new, the quality of the game might effect my decision, heh.
Whee. I'm getting too tired for this stuff. It's 3:44 AM my time. Bed time.
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| Fygee 676th Post
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| "Re(3):Oh man..." , posted Tue 10 Jun 00:53:
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The only person that I've actually seen say that the entire game would suck is Fygee.
I just said the game can go to hell, not that it would suck. And again, I was just a little peeved at the moment, so that comment was way too extreme. I'm on the same boat in that I think the game will be good, but there are some glaring things to complain about IMO.
I guess the root of it all is reading that fireballers/uppercutters, especially Ryu, are ruling everyone. One of the cool things about SNK is that shoto-esque characters are fun to play and very viable in combat, but they're not glaringly overpowered leaving the others in the dust. Its also the first SNK fighter I know of not to feature some way of having an advantegous defense against them (Fatal Fury had multiple plane hopping, KOF had rolling and dodging, Garou: MOTW had just defense, Samurai Shodown had the ability to knock your opponents weapon down to prevent them from using certain special moves, and later added dodging, and Last Blade had slower projectiles with a larger screen, and deflecting.
SvC has nothing but block or jump over them and hope the character doesn't recover in time for you to hit them from the air.
This is supposed to be the game where cheesy fireballers like Ryu and Sagat don't rule everyone, and characters like Kyo, Kim, Hugo, and Shiki strut their stuff.
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| Jigsaw
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| "Re(4):Oh man..." , posted Tue 10 Jun 06:24
Well, I happen to love the CvS2 announcer, so that part is really good news to me. :) If it's something that'd annoy me, it'd be the size difference of the characters, and the supposedly overpowered characters. Then again, I thoroughly enjoyed CvS2, while others say it's too broken to even play, so I guess I wouldn't notice it much anyway.
There's also been some complaints about the roster, but I'm OK with it. It is indeed quite SF2/shoto/karateka heavy, but there's still a decent amount of 'usable' characters. It's not like Kizuna Encounter, at least! Also, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled a CvS, and added all the fun characters for the sequel. :)
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| Fro Boy11 1669th Post
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| "OK then......." , posted Tue 10 Jun 08:10:
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Guys. In a beta, there are some things that may change before the final product release. Sometimes art, sounds, or effects are implemented temporarily. These are known as "placeholder", and often come from older games.
I fully expect bigger things than the voice to change, personally. So let's don't worry, be happy. Don't worry be happy now.
Yeah, all the things I complained about can be fixed, so it's not much of a big deal with me. I'm SURE I'm gonna love the game anyway, I plan on buying it and everything.
Everyone that says that the game sucks.....well, don't play it, don't buy it or anything, just don't look all sad and shit when you see other people having fun with it while you sit there with your thumbs up your asses because you don't wanna look stupid because you sat there and dissed it and all of a sudden YOU wanna play.
OK, the game has some errors, but they'll get to that. I don't know about the weird stuff like character sizes and stuff changing, it might be a little too late for that, but oh well.
"Shotos" well, I wish they hadn't put in so many, but I'm sure they'll be weakened a little before the final product is released. Most of you use them anyway, I know you do. (I'm more of a Guile fan, myself).
Abusable Ground Dash, consider that fixed.
Announcer.....NO BIG DEAL! Its not like it's SO bad that you can't even play the game, most of the time you'll be too busy concentrating on winning your match to even give a damn about the announcer anyway, at least its like that for me. As long as THIS announcer doesn't say the EXACT same things that he said in CvS2, I don't give a shit.
KOF sprite size. It's not like Playmore can't make them bigger before the game is released? Maybe there's not enough time for the MVS product, but there's always the AES, PS2, and hopefully the Dreamcast.
Your favorite character didn't make it? Deal with it. Hell, a lot of my favorite characters didn't make it (Robert, Andy, Alex, K', Billy Kane, etc.) and my favorite character of them all (Geese) MIGHT not be there either, but it's cool, because a few others did (Terry, Kyo, Guile, Kim, etc.) There's probably gonna be a sequel, and MAYBE your favorites will make it. I know, I know, they filled up the roster with "shotos" and characters like them when they could have used someone else, but like Rugal said, most of you guys use Ryu, Ken, Gouki (I ONLY use Ken if I gotta go "shoto" on someone), and if you use the SNK side, Kyo, Terry, Iori (I'm guilty there).
Bad Controls? Further character balance?Well, that can be fixed, too. I'm sure they'll handle that. I don't like too many characters being overpowered either.
Everyone just chill out a bit, damn. Try not to get all bent out of shape.
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| Sensenic 662th Post
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| "Re(1):OK then......." , posted Tue 10 Jun 09:37
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In all seriousness, I have a feeling that the reason for this is because people don't want their hopes crushed. The more you trash a game before you even play it (and convince yourself that said trashing is true), the less chance you have of being dissappointed. Why so many people are like this now, I do not know for sure, exactly. I do not know why for a fact, though I do have my own personal opinions regarding the matter. I personally am thinking that it's either because people really WERE let-down harshly (I remember so much praise and excitement over Rage of the Dragons then so much dissappointment or apathy after it came out, myself. To a lesser extent, I'd lump the CvS series there, too) or people got their hopes too high up in the first place, leading to unacheivable standards, leading to thus hopes getting crushed. ...or a combination of both.
Then do as I do: hope the best, to keep the illusion, but expect the worst, to be surprised only positively.
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Guys. In a beta, there are some things that may change before the final product release. Sometimes art, sounds, or effects are implemented temporarily. These are known as "placeholder", and often come from older games.
I fully expect bigger things than the voice to change, personally. So let's don't worry, be happy. Don't worry be happy now.
Yeah, all the things I complained about can be fixed, so it's not much of a big deal with me. I'm SURE I'm gonna love the game anyway, I plan on buying it and everything.
Everyone that says that the game sucks.....well, don't play it, don't buy it or anything, just don't look all sad and shit when you see other people having fun with it while you sit there with your thumbs up your asses because you don't wanna look stupid because you sat there and dissed it and all of a sudden YOU wanna play.
OK, the game has some errors, but they'll get to that. I don't know about the weird stuff like character sizes and stuff changing, it might be a little too late for that, but oh well.
"Shotos" well, I wish they hadn't put in so many, but I'm sure they'll be weakened a little before the final product is released. Most of you use them anyway, I know you do. (I'm more of a Guile fan, myself).
Abusable Ground Dash, consider that fixed.
Announcer.....NO BIG DEAL! Its not like it's SO bad that you can't even play the game, most of the time you'll be too busy concentrating on winning your match to even give a damn about the announcer anyway, at least its like that for me. As long as THIS announcer doesn't say the EXACT same things that he said in CvS2, I don't give a shit.
KOF sprite size. It's not like Playmore can't make them bigger before the game is released? Maybe there's not enough time for the MVS product, but there's always the AES, PS2, and hopefully the Dreamcast.
Your favorite character didn't make it? Deal with it. Hell, a lot of my favorite characters didn't make it (Robert, Andy, Alex, K', Billy Kane, etc.) and my favorite character of them all (Geese) MIGHT not be there either, but it's cool, because a few others did (Terry, Kyo, Guile, Kim, etc.) There's probably gonna be a sequel, and MAYBE your favorites will make it. I know, I know, they filled up the roster with "shotos" and characters like them when they could have used someone else, but like Rugal said, most of you guys use Ryu, Ken, Gouki (I ONLY use Ken if I gotta go "shoto" on someone), and if you use the SNK side, Kyo, Terry, Iori (I'm guilty there).
Bad Controls? Further character balance?Well, that can be fixed, too. I'm sure they'll handle that. I don't like too many characters being overpowered either.
Everyone just chill out a bit, damn. Try not to get all bent out of shape.
I agree with you. I still doubt though, that they're gonna change the KOF sprites thingie, or the size changing new sprites, which is what right now worries me most. That and the fireball supremacy, but, well,
guess I'll just hope I'm wrong.
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| Mr Big
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|  "Re(3):OK then......."
, posted Tue 10 Jun 13:45
Usually I just lurk around here from time to time, but after reading the things I have in this thread I just had to say something.
To those jumping all over the case of people who have complaints about the game...just what are you thinking about?
Moriarty has to be among the biggest supporter of SNK that I know of and even he is worried about the game. To see him anything other than supportive of this game strike fear into the hearts of anyone here?
The symptoms are there, they are right in front of our faces: the shotos descending like a plague of locusts, the most horrendous case of uneven recycled sprites in fighter history, a system aspect that's begging to be abused (the guard cancel dash), and many other things that shows that they just aren't taking the game or the audience they are making it for seriously (Takuma in the rediculous Mr. Karate mask, the CvS2'ish announcher, Guile's hair being even more exaggerated, char's being turned into female versions of themselves for Demitri's super [ala VS], and the inclusion of Dan is just pure blasphemy). The strict memory requirements on the Neo-Geo carts are well known, and this is what they use it for?
3+ years in the making and -this- is what they have to show for it? This is SNK's big, anticipated answer to the Capcom's take on the CvS series. They have taken the problems that everyone had with that series and amplified them to the Nth degree:
Tons of people hated the cheesy phrases and incoherent ramblings of the announcer: so they stick him in Chaos.
People had problems with the cast, which, granted are going to exist in any game, but not to this degree. People weren't even this upset over the cast when King and Shingo were left out of 2k2. This is amplified even more when Mr. Karate is given an uppercut and Dan a variation of the Hoahshokoken. It's nearly at the point now where we have 9 characters who are half a step beyond being pallete swaps of each other (Ryu, Ken, Dan, Akuma, Shin Akuma Evil Ken, Ryo, Mr. Karate, Shin Mr. Karate). That's more than 1/3 of the cast, and if you include the other uppercut / fireball chars, that's about half the cast with similiar fighting styles.
People groaned over the reused sprites in CvS2, Morrigan tipifying their angst. In Choas, there's this not only reused sprites, but there isn't even consistancy between many of them: Demirti's as tall as Sagat, Genjuro is arguably the widest sprite in the game (because he was basically ripped straight out of SS), Hugo is as tall as Sentinel...not to mention the other issues people have brought up.
People complained about CvS2 being all about poking and turtling. Chaos takes that and makes it worse not only through the casting choices, but does away with rolling, running, hopping, and includes the guard cancel dash that only takes a smidget of meter to all but guarentee that you won't want to use anything but fireballs and safe pokes for fear of being blown out of whatever combo you go for.
People are so quick to say "hey! It's still in Beta! B-E-T-A!". Yes, it sure is, isn't it? And it only took over 3 years to get to this point. This isn't an alpha, this isn't something they've just started on, this is half a step being away from being an actual release. It seems as though the backgrounds have been given more attention than to any other aspect of the game.
Are we supposed to commend them for this? Causing such fervor, opening our wallets, biding by with out breath held in anticipation while waiting for what basically equates to a Mugen project gone berserk? People weren't that fair to Rage of the Dragons, or the new Power Instinct which didn't have half the problems this has been reported to have. Yet we're supposed to bend to the wills of those who can't handle the creeping realization that Chaos is shaping up to be crap?
"If you don't like it, don't play it." I've always hated this argument, because it accomplishes nothing. It basically amounts to you ignoring the problem instead of point out what they are. I want to play Chaos. I want it to be a good game. I want it to live up to the anticipation that it's generating. I want it to give credence to all of the people who put their faith into SNK when they said that their characters weren't treated fairly in the CvS series, and that it wouldn't turn into the top-teir pokefest that CvS2 became. I don't want to reside myself to watching it drown under it's sea of mistakes when it's so obvious to everyone here what they are.
SNK has grown more and more detached from it's players, not to mention lazy. Both of which are things Capcom is so often accused of. It's maddening because that's what they are known for. Argueably, it's why they have persisted in the business for as long as they have. But if they don't care about the games they are producing, how are we supposed to care enough to play them to such a degree to keep them going?
The only way anything will be done is by the players applauding them and supporting them when they do right, and getting on their asses when they do wrong. It's a shame that we weren't able to give any input earlier, since it's slated to be released next month and any changes they do make will be undoubtedly minor providing at the glacial pace they have moved thus far.
I don't want to be disappointed, I really don't, but I trust what I've seen and the words of Moriarty, as well as other dedicated fans, enough to take heed of how they feel about what this game is shaping up to be.
There are two kinds of people who play this game: those who are humble and those who are about to be.
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| Fro Boy11 1675th Post
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| "Re(4):OK then......." , posted Tue 10 Jun 14:30:
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Moriarty has to be among the biggest supporter of SNK that I know of and even he is worried about the game. To see him anything other than supportive of this game strike fear into the hearts of anyone here?
He's not gonna buy the game for me is he? I mean, if he's not happy with it, it's still not gonna change my decision to like or dislike the game.
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the shotos descending like a plague of locusts, the most horrendous case of uneven recycled sprites in fighter history, a system aspect that's begging to be abused (the guard cancel dash), and many other things that shows that they just aren't taking the game or the audience they are making it for seriously (Takuma in the rediculous Mr. Karate mask, the CvS2'ish announcher, Guile's hair being even more exaggerated, char's being turned into female versions of themselves for Demitri's super [ala VS], and the inclusion of Dan is just pure blasphemy). The strict memory requirements on the Neo-Geo carts are well known, and this is what they use it for?
OK, the thing about the sprites, I can understand if people wanna complain about that, I wasn't happy with that either, but it's only COSMETIC, it's not like CvS2 didn't have stuff like that. The dash, well, they can FIX that, like I've been saying. Takuma in a Tengu mask....well, damn, who do you want it to be? Mr. Karate IS Takuma in a Tengu mask. Guile's hair is a STUPID COMPLAINT, so is the announcer! Characters turning into females with Demitri's Midnight Bliss has been like that for YEARS, don't complain about that, chances are you already knew, and DAN HAD TO BE IN IT!
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3+ years in the making and -this- is what they have to show for it? This is SNK's big, anticipated answer to the Capcom's take on the CvS series. They have taken the problems that everyone had with that series and amplified them to the Nth degree:
A valid complaint. I'm a little concerned about how they took they're 3 years into making this game and the result, but DURING those 3 years, SNK/Playmore has been through hell and back, so this is the best Playmore can do for right now. Capcom didn't go through that shit. But I understand what your saying though.
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Tons of people hated the cheesy phrases and incoherent ramblings of the announcer: so they stick him in Chaos.
That's really not a big deal. I'd be more worried about the games balance than the damn announcer.
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People had problems with the cast, which, granted are going to exist in any game, but not to this degree. People weren't even this upset over the cast when King and Shingo were left out of 2k2. This is amplified even more when Mr. Karate is given an uppercut and Dan a variation of the Hoahshokoken. It's nearly at the point now where we have 9 characters who are half a step beyond being pallete swaps of each other (Ryu, Ken, Dan, Akuma, Shin Akuma Evil Ken, Ryo, Mr. Karate, Shin Mr. Karate). That's more than 1/3 of the cast, and if you include the other uppercut / fireball chars, that's about half the cast with similiar fighting styles.
TRUE! I didn't even expect all the uppercut/fireball characters that this game has. So there's nothing I can say about that. Well, there's one thing. The home ports can probably have new characters that the MVS version didn't have. That's all I can say. Hope for that.
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People groaned over the reused sprites in CvS2, Morrigan tipifying their angst. In Choas, there's this not only reused sprites, but there isn't even consistancy between many of them: Demirti's as tall as Sagat, Genjuro is arguably the widest sprite in the game (because he was basically ripped straight out of SS), Hugo is as tall as Sentinel...not to mention the other issues people have brought up.
Yeah, a lot of people complained about Morrigan. I did too. The sprites in Chaos, granted aren't the best either, and there's A LOT of people that wished that the KOF characters were redrawn (me included). That's something worth complaining about. Hugo being as tall as Sentinel isn't.
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People complained about CvS2 being all about poking and turtling. Chaos takes that and makes it worse not only through the casting choices, but does away with rolling, running, hopping, and includes the guard cancel dash that only takes a smidget of meter to all but guarentee that you won't want to use anything but fireballs and safe pokes for fear of being blown out of whatever combo you go for.
Well, I usually don't turtle and stuff, so CvS2 I really can't say anything about. I think that the no rolling and no running was a bad idea. No hopping doesn't bother me because I don't short jump much at all. Hell, I don't even roll much either.
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People are so quick to say "hey! It's still in Beta! B-E-T-A!". Yes, it sure is, isn't it? And it only took over 3 years to get to this point. This isn't an alpha, this isn't something they've just started on, this is half a step being away from being an actual release. It seems as though the backgrounds have been given more attention than to any other aspect of the game.
And any way you slice it, we're lucky to be getting what we got in the first place. Good backgrounds, bad backgrounds, palette swaps or not.
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Are we supposed to commend them for this? Causing such fervor, opening our wallets, biding by with out breath held in anticipation while waiting for what basically equates to a Mugen project gone berserk? People weren't that fair to Rage of the Dragons, or the new Power Instinct which didn't have half the problems this has been reported to have. Yet we're supposed to bend to the wills of those who can't handle the creeping realization that Chaos is shaping up to be crap?
I'm sure nobody is putting a gun to your head and making you "open your wallet" and go out and buy they're product, good or bad. One man's trash is another man's treasure. You might think it's gonna be crap, but there's someone out there, that thinks this game is a gem.
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I want to play Chaos. I want it to be a good game. I want it to live up to the anticipation that it's generating. I want it to give credence to all of the people who put their faith into SNK when they said that their characters weren't treated fairly in the CvS series, and that it wouldn't turn into the top-teir pokefest that CvS2 became. I don't want to reside myself to watching it drown under it's sea of mistakes when it's so obvious to everyone here what they are.
I'm sure your not the only one that feels this way. And the mistakes can be fixed. IF they don't do it for the MVS, they can fix it for the ports.....maybe.
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SNK has grown more and more detached from it's players, not to mention lazy. Both of which are things Capcom is so often accused of. It's maddening because that's what they are known for. Argueably, it's why they have persisted in the business for as long as they have. But if they don't care about the games they are producing, how are we supposed to care enough to play them to such a degree to keep them going?
The only way anything will be done is by the players applauding them and supporting them when they do right, and getting on their asses when they do wrong. It's a shame that we weren't able to give any input earlier, since it's slated to be released next month and any changes they do make will be undoubtedly minor providing at the glacial pace they have moved thus far.
If they didn't give a shit about what we thought, they wouldn't have BETA testing with questionnaires to fill out about what you like and/or don't like about the game. Hell, they didn't even have to make it. I do wish we got to vote on the characters that were gonna be in it though. I think SNK has put a lot of work into Chaos, it's just the little things like pre-fight conversations and stuff. Details basically, but missed on the big problems.
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I don't want to be disappointed, I really don't, but I trust what I've seen and the words of Moriarty, as well as other dedicated fans, enough to take heed of how they feel about what this game is shaping up to be.
I don't wanna be disapointed either, hell nobody does, some of the things people are complaining about make sense, but some things people are complaining about can't be helped now. It's best to get over it and go on and try to enjoy the game. Either that or don't buy Chaos and save money for KOF2003.
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| Abe no Seimei
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Rare Customer
| "Re(5):OK then......." , posted Tue 10 Jun 14:36
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On an unrelated note... I haven't seen a single picture or impression of Choi. I don't think a single person has played him the entire beta test and why they wasted a spot that could have gone to someone like K or Ralph is beyond me.
Actually, the guy at neogeo.com, Beezlebuble or whatever, said he played Choi during the beta test. I, even if it's only me, am totaly found of this midget and be sure I'll play him, even if he doesn't seem to be at his best in this game(01'Choi owns). Beside, I like the roster mainly be cause Choi and Balrog are in it and thus me and a friend who plays balrog will be finally able to achieve the David vs goliath match we hoped for. I know that, as a matter of fact, Choi is a widely hated character here, but please remember that lots of japanese and korean players (which i'm not) use him on a daily baisis and consider him as a great and effective character. You may not like him, but he's been in KOf from the begining, his design is really cool, and his palette just took the charge character to another level of offensiveness. I don't expect anybody to pay him respect, but I cannot understand why he would be a waste of space when half the cast is composed of so unoriginal fireballers.
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| Fro Boy11 1675th Post
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| "Re(6):OK then......." , posted Tue 10 Jun 14:42
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On an unrelated note... I haven't seen a single picture or impression of Choi. I don't think a single person has played him the entire beta test and why they wasted a spot that could have gone to someone like K or Ralph is beyond me.
Actually, the guy at neogeo.com, Beezlebuble or whatever, said he played Choi during the beta test. I, even if it's only me, am totaly found of this midget and be sure I'll play him, even if he doesn't seem to be at his best in this game(01'Choi owns). Beside, I like the roster mainly be cause Choi and Balrog are in it and thus me and a friend who plays balrog will be finally able to achieve the David vs goliath match we hoped for. I know that, as a matter of fact, Choi is a widely hated character here, but please remember that lots of japanese and korean players (which i'm not) use him on a daily baisis and consider him as a great and effective character. You may not like him, but he's been in KOf from the begining, his design is really cool, and his palette just took the charge character to another level of offensiveness. I don't expect anybody to pay him respect, but I cannot understand why he would be a waste of space when half the cast is composed of so unoriginal fireballers.
Y'know I don't like Choi, I never have, and I probably never will, but DAMN, he's one of the characters that I have the most trouble fighting. He's just so damn small and hard to catch. And true, next to all the fireball/uppercut characters, Choi brings in a little more diversity, but the SNK cast really isn't the problem. Y'know SNK should have just changed the moves of some of the characters, not the move itself, but how to do the move, y'know. That would have been a bit better, even if they were fireball/uppercut characters. They could have just pulled a "Robert"
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| Burning Kyo 1687th Post
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|  "Re(6):OK then......."
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Actually, the guy at neogeo.com, Beezlebuble or whatever, said he played Choi during the beta test. I, even if it's only me, am totaly found of this midget and be sure I'll play him, even if he doesn't seem to be at his best in this game(01'Choi owns). Beside, I like the roster mainly be cause Choi and Balrog are in it and thus me and a friend who plays balrog will be finally able to achieve the David vs goliath match we hoped for. I know that, as a matter of fact, Choi is a widely hated character here, but please remember that lots of japanese and korean players (which i'm not) use him on a daily baisis and consider him as a great and effective character. You may not like him, but he's been in KOf from the begining, his design is really cool, and his palette just took the charge character to another level of offensiveness. I don't expect anybody to pay him respect, but I cannot understand why he would be a waste of space when half the cast is composed of so unoriginal fireballers.
If Choi is as great as in '02, I'll continuing to respect him !
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| DarkZero
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| "Re(4):OK then......." , posted Tue 10 Jun 16:00
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...and many other things that shows that they just aren't taking the game or the audience they are making it for seriously (Takuma in the rediculous Mr. Karate mask, the CvS2'ish announcher, Guile's hair being even more exaggerated, char's being turned into female versions of themselves for Demitri's super [ala VS], and the inclusion of Dan is just pure blasphemy). The strict memory requirements on the Neo-Geo carts are well known, and this is what they use it for?
I guess that this is just a matter of perspective. Mr. Karate is the character that I most want to play in the game, I'm glad that Guile isn't a rehashed sprite and don't mind him being given a facelift (albeit an amusing one), and Demitri's super and Dan are the two things that the people here are happiest about. I sort of like that SNK isn't taking the game very seriously and is willing to take a more in-jokey sort of approach to the game.
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Tons of people hated the cheesy phrases and incoherent ramblings of the announcer: so they stick him in Chaos.
I'm not really big on these "So don't play the game" or "That doesn't matter" sort of cop-out arguments that let people rave about one thing and then immediately downplay the game's flaws, but I have to say that when I think about the crucial points in the game, THE ANNOUNCER isn't exactly up there at the top. Besides, all we have regarding the announcer is that one or two people in a loud arcade said "It kinda sounds like him". The information on the game's sounds are probably the least reliable right now.
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People had problems with the cast, which, granted are going to exist in any game, but not to this degree. People weren't even this upset over the cast when King and Shingo were left out of 2k2. This is amplified even more when Mr. Karate is given an uppercut and Dan a variation of the Hoahshokoken. It's nearly at the point now where we have 9 characters who are half a step beyond being pallete swaps of each other (Ryu, Ken, Dan, Akuma, Shin Akuma Evil Ken, Ryo, Mr. Karate, Shin Mr. Karate). That's more than 1/3 of the cast, and if you include the other uppercut / fireball chars, that's about half the cast with similiar fighting styles.
Dan was given a JOKE VERSION of the Haohshokoken. It is doubtful that it will work the same way.
And your lurking skills must be lacking, because we've already gone over the whole "too many shotos" thing. Orochi Iori, Satsui no Ken, Shin Gouki, and Shin Mr. Karate may not even take up the same amount of space on the cart as ONE CHARACTER. The decision that the developers had was probably to put these characters in or not put them in, not put them in or put four other characters in. Besides, even if, when combined, they amounted to a single character (which I doubt), I would rather have all four of those characters than have another overpowered, unusable boss like Rugal, Orochi, or worse, Billy Dee Williams' flamboyantly homosexual cousin, "The All That's Touched By None". Point is, those little slivers of a character slot could've been a lot worse, like a pathetic boss or just plain nothing.
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People groaned over the reused sprites in CvS2, Morrigan tipifying their angst. In Choas, there's this not only reused sprites, but there isn't even consistancy between many of them: Demirti's as tall as Sagat, Genjuro is arguably the widest sprite in the game (because he was basically ripped straight out of SS), Hugo is as tall as Sentinel...not to mention the other issues people have brought up.
With the exception of Genjuro, those were all decisions that they made. Demitri's sprite is probably new and they probably made him as tall as Sagat intentionally, because Sagat is definitely a new sprite. Hugo is also intentionally huge, because Hugo isn't a reused sprite. They decided to make Hugo and Poison emulate Shigen and Kotetsu, but Poison isn't as short as Kotetsu. It's also just sort of interesting that he's that large and I look forward to playing as him.
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People are so quick to say "hey! It's still in Beta! B-E-T-A!". Yes, it sure is, isn't it? And it only took over 3 years to get to this point. This isn't an alpha, this isn't something they've just started on, this is half a step being away from being an actual release. It seems as though the backgrounds have been given more attention than to any other aspect of the game.
Okay, now here's something that I actually agree with you on. The Mark of the Wolves beta, which is the only beta that I know of that has been released as a ROM, is basically the same as Mark of the Wolves. A couple of moves are slightly rebalanced, the sound has been tweaked a little bit, and most of the text was put in after the beta, but otherwise it's the same game. IF all of these complaints about the game from the beta testers are accurate, then I doubt that that most of them will be fixed. What is being described by the more negative beta testers is definitely an alpha quality game, but it's being beta tested and will be released in about a month.
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SNK has grown more and more detached from it's players, not to mention lazy. Both of which are things Capcom is so often accused of. It's maddening because that's what they are known for. Argueably, it's why they have persisted in the business for as long as they have. But if they don't care about the games they are producing, how are we supposed to care enough to play them to such a degree to keep them going?
Considering that everyone here is thrilled about Dan, Demitri's Midnight Bliss, Hugo's size, Mr. Karate, other things like the addition of Goenitz as a mid-boss, and the way that they're generally approaching the game as a big, expensive in-joke for the fans, maybe you've grown more detached than they have. If anything, they're probably responding to the popularity of their NGPC games that were basically big in-jokes, such as Card Fighter's Clash, Queen of Fighters, and to some extent SNK vs. Capcom.
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| Iron D 2273th Post
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| "Right..." , posted Tue 10 Jun 18:02
...Capcom detatched from it's fans. A joke one cannot laugh at.
Anticipation for this game is like a rollercoaster for me. It goes up and down and up and down again. Right now I'm at a point where it's down yet again.
The roster-I wish there was more variety (on both sides: plenty of games from both companies that aren't represented at all), but I can't complain too much as a lot of my faves did end up making it: Dhalsim, Sagat, Genjuro, Terry, Earthquake, Hugo, Akuma, etc. Here's to hoping that Goenitz, Dan, Demitri, Evil Ken and Orochi Iori are playable. Oh, and the term "Shotos" must die, especially seeing as the fact that Ryu and Ken's style is called Ansatsuken....
Gameplay (without having played it): Doesn't sound or look so good. Keep in mind that I don't like KoF's gameplay style as this looks just like seeing a vidoe of KoF 2k2 or somethin'. Given, this is Playmore, so I guess that should be expected, but it doesn't change what I think. Also, I was hoping that either Just Defending or Parrying would make it into this game, as it will be hard to use Hugo without it.
Announcer: It was said that it was CvS2-ish, but I didn't hear it. If it is, then I'm elated, as I absolutely LOVE CvS2's announcer.
I'll still play it in arcades (and am admittedly anxious to do so), but I doubt I'll be buying the home version or playing it more than the fighting games that I'm playing most right now (and then there's the ulta-anticipation of one Soul Calibur 2)...
Iron D-itude fact 1: Iron D only owns one audio CD.
Iron D-itude fact 2: Lemon Curry?
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