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| CrazyMax 267th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):Should I see Saint Seiya"
, posted Sun 1 Jun 18:08
Speaking as a long time fan - Started watching it a month after it began in Japan and got tapes straight from Japan since then - I was hooked the moment the sliced ear hit the ground in ep #1. Saint Seiya hammered home the story angles of a group of friends who sacrificed everything for one another, to win a battle, and had the central overriding belief in the central character who could somehow overcome everything with that belief. Practically everything since then - beautiful fighting boys stories - has seemed like a follower of that style.
My only qualms with the series is that after the first arc - the anti/black saints battles & original recovery of the Sagittarius Gold Cloth - the series kind of spun into cosmos style battles. Meaning hand to hand combat was less & less, and people pointing a finger and incredible pyrotechnics follow, took center stage. I kinda dug the all out slugfests, and was less enamored with the cosmic fights.
But the depth with which you get to know the characters of the hundred plus eps is incredible. Cygnus became my favorite anime character of all time, followed by Ikki. All other anime characters follow behind them. They played up the angst & drama better than anything else I saw at the time.
If you can get hold of the packages with the first set eps - I think it's like 30+ eps - I would highly recommend it. I think if you don't start from the beginning, you miss out a bit on the attachment you get with some characters. Also the investment you put into the series over ALL the arcs, is well worth it.
If you try to jump into the OVA series cold, you get the feeling of being completely lost, and that the show is one big talk fest.
I especially recommend the series if you can see the first dozen or so. The jump from pro - wrestling/ultimate fighting of sorts to action adventure show is so cool.
I give the series my Craziest Max recommendation!!
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| Makondo99
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|  "Re(1):Should I see Saint Seiya"
, posted Sun 1 Jun 18:21
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Along with the America Street Fighter cartoon DVD I got, it had a preview to an anime I keep hearing about for years but never got the chance to watch, Saint Seiya (titled Knights of Zodiac in the preview). The preview had the theme "Pegasus Fantasy" (I don't know if that's the title, but I think that's what it is according to my Para Para MAX video). Most people tell me it's a lot like Yoroiden Samurai Troopers/Ronin Warriors, and I heard it revolutionzed the anime boom in Mexico.
I'm just interested of the opinions of this anime from the casual fan to the hardcore fan of this series of whether or not I should watch it and if it's fair to compare this to Ronin Warriors because of the armor thing and the designs are very similar.
I also like to know how many episodes there are, how many movies, and oavs and some manga info. Your help would be appreciated.
Well, Saint Seiya was shown about 5 years ago in Chile and it caused a frenzy about it only comparable to what happened later with Dragon Ball. I'm told that in Spain and France it also made many fans.
The plot is linear but fun to watch. It's quite similar to a fighting videogame, where the main characters face strong and then stronger opponents, learn new abilities, and later get "super moves". There's the ultra-cool character that at first despises the rest, but later joins in the party, and that usually saves the day (Ikki). There's a spoiled rich girl who later grows up as she learn the responsability that she has with the world and her "bodyguards" (The Bronze Saints). There are some neats twists and surprises in the story, as well as things that you could see a mile away that were coming. My favorite stuff would be the quest of the 12 houses of the zodiac, where the bronze saints have to rush in order to save a "very important person" and face the toughest opponents in Sanctuary.
I think there are 2 main arcs in the TV series: Sanctuary and Asgard/Poseidon. Now there are some OVAS (Maybe three?), that seem to be TV specials to me. Recently there were released new OVAS containing the "end" of the story: The arc of Hades, which unfortunately I haven't watched yet. But I read part of the manga and it seemed cool ;)
So, yes, I would recommend it without doubt.
I was rather vague with the description in this post, but I wouldn't want to spoil this series telling you everything about it. But if you have any question or want a more in-deph review, feel free to ask.
Recommended link:
http://www.stseiya.com/
...Silver!
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| VManOfMana
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| "Re(2):Should I see Saint Seiya" , posted Sun 1 Jun 23:38
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Along with the America Street Fighter cartoon DVD I got, it had a preview to an anime I keep hearing about for years but never got the chance to watch, Saint Seiya (titled Knights of Zodiac in the preview). The preview had the theme "Pegasus Fantasy" (I don't know if that's the title, but I think that's what it is according to my Para Para MAX video). Most people tell me it's a lot like Yoroiden Samurai Troopers/Ronin Warriors, and I heard it revolutionzed the anime boom in Mexico.
It did. Actually, Mexico has seen anime and other Japanese TV shows (there were some puppet shows brought thru the Japanese embassy) before I can remember (read as: I was born). However, none of them became as popular as Saint Seiya, and it is the one that started the anime craze in Mexico which was further increased with Sailor Moon (uncut! whoo!) and then followed by shows like Rayearth, Slam Dunk, Dragon Ball, Escaflowne, etc etc etc.
Saint Seiya's popularity is because of several reasons. It's an action based anime but it doesn't has the senseless fightfests or drago-ons of DragonBall. It has drama but it wasn't precisely Candy Candy. Cooperation, friendship and sacrifice for the sake of others were a main theme. Characters were deep, and there wasn't always a defnition of good/bad character. The storyline was very nice, and the animation is very good considering that it is a mid (if not early) 80's anime. Considering that the competition were older Japanese shows like Candy Candy and cheap American cartoons, well, there wasn't many other options to see :)
Another interesting thing is that in Mexico, the fandom last more than five years, in part because unlike later series, Saint Seiya wasn't overexploited (for the first three years at least) as it was shown only once a week on Saturdays mornings. In the beginning Saint Seiya was just any other Japanese show, but once the word started to spread out (I was told about it when the Sanctuary battle barely started) it was unstoppable to the point that it was restarted at a different time slot for all the new viewers, so you could see the new episode while catch up at the same time.
Saint Seiya was not only a favorite show, but a cult. Missing Saint Seiya was almost a sin, and the first thing kids would discuss on Monday mornings at school was what happened on the last episode, and people counted the days left for the next Saturday to see the next episode. There were departmental store that didn't have a toy section: it was the Saint Seiya section (and nothing more). AFAIK, there were more than 10 re-runs of Saint Seiya, either on Saturdays mornings and later on an all-weekend schedule (and if they woulnd't burn it out that fast I am sure the craze would have lasted another couple years - in some way that's what also killed Sailor Moon's populariy). The only other anime titles that I remember were as popular were Sailor Moon (which was once a week until the end of S I believe) and Dragon Ball Z (but in this case the craze was a LOT shorter because of the weekdays schedule).
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I'm just interested of the opinions of this anime from the casual fan to the hardcore fan of this series of whether or not I should watch it and if it's fair to compare this to Ronin Warriors because of the armor thing and the designs are very similar.
Ronin Warriors was eventually also shown in Mexico, and in my opinion, Saint Seiya is completely superior on any aspect.
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I also like to know how many episodes there are, how many movies, and oavs and some manga info. Your help would be appreciated.
I don't know about the manga, but the anime is very very long. There are five different TV storylines:
* Galactic Tournament/Ikki saga
* Search of Saggitarious armor
* Sanctuary battle
* Asgard saga
* Poseidon saga
Each of the me is at least one season (26 episodes) long. So you can say there are at least 100 episodes. The newest OAV is the Hades saga, which is divided in the Sanctuary and Underground chapters, each 13 episodes long. This is the animation of the last part of the manga that was never animated. The Asard saga is a TV only part, since Masami Kurumada was still finishing the manga of the Poseidon saga then, Unfortunately, I think that the Asgard saga ruins the TV series, since it looks out of place and makes the Poseidon saga look repetitive.
There was also a series of movies which are more like 45 minutes - 1 hour long episodes. In Mexico they were shown in the wrong order, but there are four IIRC.
Oh yeah, Saint Seiya has been already licensed for US distribution (at least the TV series). I know that what is going to be shown on TV will be a censored and toned down version, so I would recommend you to avoid it and wait for when the DVDs are out. Or, if you don't want to wait, the DVDs are being released in Japan, but the boxsets are kind of expensive :)
Jabel D. Morales - VMan of Mana.
http://vman.animecafe.net/
"Tameraeba makeyo!"
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| Makondo99
186th Post
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| "Silver!" , posted Mon 2 Jun 17:39
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Sorry to go off topic, but Makondo, what is your avatar and sig picture from? It looks neat.
Yup, as VManOfMana said, they belong to a very old anime based on "Treasure Island". It was a kick-ass show, an it boasts the best villian ever: Long John Silver. Sometimes, when me and my friends got very drunk, we start singing some tunes from this anime (as well as others'.... ah, the memories)
There are more images and info here I want this set!
VManOfMana
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Anyone knows the original name of this anime?
According to the info in the link above, it's called "Takarajima"
...Silver!
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| Hagen de Merak 459th Post
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| "Re(6):Should I see Saint Seiya" , posted Tue 3 Jun 13:46
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i cant believe i had forgotten about this one. probably because i didnt remember the name, but i as well remember watching this as a kid in mexico. i remember silver being kind of a badguy , but not really, can someone clarify?
Well, the same as you, I don't remember that much (I was about 6 or 7 then), but looking at the images given linked by Makondo made me remember the turtle race scene!
Anyways, Silver's alignment was never that clear to me. I don't think he was really evil or bad, just that he wanted to get to the treasure no matter how. He sure was a cool villain though.
yeah, i remember he was fond of that little kid, and even on one ocassion, i kinda remember his own crew turning agaisnt him or something like that. wish i could see it again.
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