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"CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 19:00post reply


I was chatting with whitesword about this last night.

And after seeing all the hype around SvC,I never realized what a pure masterpiece CvS2 really was. But now I do. I've been in the habit of playing it again and I think it's one of the best games ever(now matter how much Rugal says otherwise. *LOL*)

Unlike this SvC cast,Capcom were somewhat fair on character selections,and the cast,you gotta admit,was more diverse than SvC's.

As you guys' all know,not only did this game only the unique features of bringing in grooves using super bars from various games(C-groove from the SFA series,K-groove from Samurai Showdown,e.t.c.) but it brought back a lot of unexpected cool characters like Eagle and Maki.

And as far as I know,it's done good not only here in America and Japan,but in Europe as well. I even saw The Sun(UK newspaper) run a small thing on it last year.

Not too mention that this game had the coolest backgrounds I've seen in a 2-D fighter since SSF2T and Darkstalkers(the first DS.) My favorites are the London,Nairobi,Barentsburg(where exactly is that?) and Kinderdijk. The first CvS had incredible BG's,but I loved CvS2's a lot.

The play mechanics were good. Which I hope will be good as well in SvC.

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"Re(1):CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 19:08post reply


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(now matter how much Rugal says otherwise. *LOL*)

Uhh... I said it had bad music... where did you get that I said it was a bad game? It is probably the fighter I play the most right now.

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(As you guys' all know,not only did this game only the unique features of bringing in grooves using super bars from various games(C-groove from the SFA series,K-groove from Samurai Showdown,e.t.c.)

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"Re(1):CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 19:15post reply


its a good game. but the music is the worst since MvC2. In fact, i turn the music off in that game, too bad you cant turn off that damn announcer. I either play Guilty Gear or KOF music while playing that game, thats how bad i think the music is.





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"Re(1):CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 19:20post reply


Hmmm you can't really compare CVS2 with SVC. Apparently you didn't know how badly CVS1 sucks.

I suspect SVC might just be a vehicle to see how players accept Capcom characters done the SNK way. They will unleash a sequel to top it up, I am sure.

Unlike this SvC cast,Capcom were somewhat fair on character selections,and the cast,you gotta admit,was more diverse than SvC's.

What do you mean fair? There are more slots in CVS2 so naturally they have some space leftover. The SF2 crew are all in there, which in my opinion, could have given up some slots for others.





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"Re(2):CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 19:20post reply


Am I the only one who likes CvS2's (and Alpha 3's) announcers?





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"READ THIS.." , posted Thu 29 May 19:32:post reply


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I suspect SVC might just be a vehicle to see how players accept Capcom characters done the SNK way. They will unleash a sequel to top it up, I am sure.

I suspect their selection is just part of a plan to try and break back in to the American market. They're selling their games again for the first time in a while in America... and face it people, the SF 2 cast are by FAR the most recognized Capcom fighter charas, especially to the American market. I'd wager they're hoping they might be able to smash their way back in to the American market with this game; possibly pulling for a "nostalgia" feel from many "average" gamers. Most Americans didn't even have any concept of SNK until Capcom vs. SNK 2 came out, so they have a lot more leeway in that respect (although pretty much every SNK chara they put in is popular in Japan, with the possible exceptions of Earthquake and Mr. Karate)

Edit: Also, Eric, I wouldn't comment on the roster until we're 100% sure it's final, no?

And Iron D, I enjoy the Zero 3 announcer's comments. ;D They're great fun.... The Capcom vs. SNK 2 announcer doesn't bother me, like he does some people, but I don't especially like him.

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"Re(1):CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 19:33post reply


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I was chatting with whitesword about this last night.

And after seeing all the hype around SvC,I never realized what a pure masterpiece CvS2 really was. But now I do. I've been in the habit of playing it again and I think it's one of the best games ever(now matter how much Rugal says otherwise. *LOL*)


CvS2 is fun, but I wouldn't place it among the best games Capcom has done. It's a bit bland as a fighter (No real personality, which is the one flaw it has compared to CvS1), and it has the annoying problem of Blanka and Sagat being too over powered.

It's a fun game, but it's not a SFA3, SF3:TS, and SSF2T...

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Unlike this SvC cast,Capcom were somewhat fair on character selections,and the cast,you gotta admit,was more diverse than SvC's.


Naomi vs the MVS...

And the CvS roster was lacking for both companies...

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As you guys' all know,not only did this game only the unique features of bringing in grooves using super bars from various games(C-groove from the SFA series,K-groove from Samurai Showdown,e.t.c.) but it brought back a lot of unexpected cool characters like Eagle and Maki.


Which SFA3 did first (Three groves, and it brought in Cody and Karin).

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And as far as I know,it's done good not only here in America and Japan,but in Europe as well. I even saw The Sun(UK newspaper) run a small thing on it last year.


And SF2 Did well in many places as well, as have other fighters.Your point?

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Not too mention that this game had the coolest backgrounds I've seen in a 2-D fighter since SSF2T and Darkstalkers(the first DS.) My favorites are the London,Nairobi,Barentsburg(where exactly is that?) and Kinderdijk. The first CvS had incredible BG's,but I loved CvS2's a lot.



They we're good, but a bit bland when compared to the generally good (except Morrigans and Nakoruru's) CvS1 backgrounds. The mini-intros just made them, and they all had a SNK or Capcom flavor. CvS2 just had general fight game backgrounds...

As for the music, I liked it. But not as much as CvS1 which had some rocking tunes. And the awesome orginal music mode so I can fight Geese with his orginal music...

Geese: I'll Stain my hands with your blood!

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The play mechanics were good. Which I hope will be good as well in SvC.

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I expect they'll be good, as they got most of the KOF crew working on it. Though most people don't seem to give a whit...







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"Re(3):CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 19:34post reply


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Am I the only one who likes CvS2's (and Alpha 3's) announcers?



I like them Iron D. I don't know why other people don't. KOF 98 had an even more annoying announcer than that.

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"Re(1):READ THIS.." , posted Thu 29 May 19:52post reply


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I suspect SVC might just be a vehicle to see how players accept Capcom characters done the SNK way. They will unleash a sequel to top it up, I am sure.
I suspect their selection is just part of a plan to try and break back in to the American market. They're selling their games again for the first time in a while in America... and face it people, the SF 2 cast are by FAR the most recognized Capcom fighter charas, especially to the American market. I'd wager they're hoping they might be able to smash their way back in to the American market with this game; possibly pulling for a "nostalgia" feel from many "average" gamers. Most Americans didn't even have any concept of SNK until Capcom vs. SNK 2 came out, so they have a lot more leeway in that respect (although pretty much every SNK chara they put in is popular in Japan, with the possible exceptions of Earthquake and Mr. Karate)

Edit: Also, Eric, I wouldn't comment on the roster until we're 100% sure it's final, no?

And Iron D, I enjoy the Zero 3 announcer's comments. ;D They're great fun.... The Capcom vs. SNK 2 announcer doesn't bother me, like he does some people, but I don't especially like him.



Very good point Rugal. Never thought of it that way.

And BTW,stop picking on me so much. >_< :p

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"Re(1):READ THIS.." , posted Thu 29 May 20:03post reply


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Sorry for the title, but I feel people pass by my posts frequently, if only because they tend to be long...



Heh, not me. I know this is pretty much @$$ kissing here, but your posts have been pretty informative, fair, and well written. Especially in the past few months.





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"Re(1):CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 20:08post reply


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And after seeing all the hype around SvC,I never realized what a pure masterpiece CvS2 really was. But now I do. I've been in the habit of playing it again and I think it's one of the best games ever(now matter how much Rugal says otherwise. *LOL*)



CvS2 is far from a "pure masterpiece"
and I'll say just that, since others have made point already.

if there really is a capcom fighter that can be considered a "pure masterpiece" I'd have to say it would be 3rd Strike, one of the main reasons being that its one of the most balanced capcom fighters out there, even with chun-li's "cheap" priority





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"Re(1):CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 20:18post reply


I like how SvC is shapening up, it seems a lot more fair to SNK then CvS.

I didn't much care for the CvS games I found the cast extremely boring, the gameplay repeatitive, and the backgrounds were all pretty pointless, really the only thing about it was being able to name your color edits in 2.(unfortunately I bought the $5 XBox sampler version, so I paid $5 too much for the game without it's best feature)





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"Re(2):CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 20:23post reply


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I like how SvC is shapening up, it seems a lot more fair to SNK then CvS.

I didn't much care for the CvS games I found the cast extremely boring, the gameplay repeatitive, and the backgrounds were all pretty pointless, really the only thing about it was being able to name your color edits in 2.(unfortunately I bought the $5 XBox sampler version, so I paid $5 too much for the game without it's best feature)





SORRY TO GO AGAINST THE GRAIN HERE BUT I FEEL THAT CVS2 WAS A TRAVESTY.

I MEAN JUST LOOK AT THE ANTARTICA BACKGROUND> TALK ABOUT GAY.

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"Re(3):CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 20:49:post reply


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SORRY TO GO AGAINST THE GRAIN HERE BUT I FEEL THAT CVS2 WAS A TRAVESTY.

I MEAN JUST LOOK AT THE ANTARTICA BACKGROUND> TALK ABOUT GAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN>

HAHA you're my fucking hero

for me, CvS2 was cool when it came out. it was nice to be able to counter supers in a Capcom game, among several other things that were different from CvS1. but when i was getting my balls handed to me by Sagat and Blanka everywhere, i was wondering what was going on. a couple of months later, i figured it out, and a couple of months after that, i gave up on the game. Bootation pretty much summed up all my feelings

by the way, the backgrounds sucked (MvC2 had the best 3d backgrounds imo. i don't know what they were trying to do in CvS2), the music sucked, i want to punch the announcer (so he can tell me "i get that a lot"), and the final boss(es) were gay. i don't know about you guys, but i can't wait to fight the Igniz/Gill/Orochi combo they're gonna come up with in SvC. i'm getting out of this thread before i find my fist inside a shattered monitor

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"Re(3):CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 20:56post reply


I love CvS2, hell I STILL play that and CvS1. Especially now that SvC is coming out I'm getting back into it. Right now I'm getting into Grandia 2 and Phantasy Star Online, but when I'm not playing those games I'm ALWAYS into the CvS action.

The music was GREAT in CvS1, some of the songs were OK in CvS2, but not as good as the first.

The backgrounds are good (except the Ice stage), but everything else is good. It would be better if it was in 2D, therefore CvS1 backgrounds are better. Especially since they have the nostalgia effect.

CvS2 is gonna be more diverse because there's more characters. The gameplay of both games were good, but CvS2 was better with the added grooves and all. There's more to it, but I really don't feel like going into it because I have to explain stuff like this to my friends because they don't get why I play 2D fighters at all. DAMN TEKKENITES!! (Tekken is still good though)

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"Re(4):CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 21:06post reply


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i don't know about you guys, but i can't wait to fight the Igniz/Gill/Orochi combo they're gonna come up with in SvC. i'm getting out of this thread before i find my fist inside a shattered monitor

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"Re(5):CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 21:09post reply


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i don't know about you guys, but i can't wait to fight the Igniz/Gill/Orochi combo they're gonna come up with in SvC. i'm getting out of this thread before i find my fist inside a shattered monitor
No Orochi! Yuga! The better god! :D



Color me ignorant, but who's Yuga? Enlighten me Rugal, or anybody else for that matter.





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"Re(6):CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 21:15:post reply


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Color me ignorant, but who's Yuga? Enlighten me Rugal, or anybody else for that matter.


Yuga is a god. Shiki was Yuga's slave, Asura was Yuga's slave, Hanmen no Asura and Hanin to Narishi Shiki are still Yuga's slaves, Gandara and a horde of other hideous monsters are Yuga's slaves, and Yuga defeated Haohmaru and enslaved him, too (Asura set him free and re-banished Yuga, though... of course, Yuga could always come back) Also, unlike Orochi, he's actually HARD... and they both utilize the "not at full power" excuse, storyline wise.

Check vids I made featuring Yuga here. I especially recommend the time stopping vid and the ranged command throws vid.
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"Re(6):CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 21:21post reply


CvS2 has Todo instead of Kasumi... nuff said.

I played it quite a bit when it first came out, but I'll never touch it again. Much rather play GGX2, any post 96 KOF, MotW, Vampire series, etc.





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"Re(7):CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 21:25post reply


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Color me ignorant, but who's Yuga? Enlighten me Rugal, or anybody else for that matter.

Yuga is a god. Shiki was Yuga's slave, Asura was Yuga's slave, Hanmen no Asura and Hanin to Narishi Shiki are still Yuga's slaves, Gandara and a horde of other hideous monsters are Yuga's slaves, and Yuga defeated Haohmaru and enslaved him, too (Asura set him free and re-banished Yuga, though... of course, Yuga could always come back) Also, unlike Orochi, he's actually HARD... and they both utilize the "not at full power" excuse, storyline wise.

Check vids I made featuring Yuga here. I especially recommend the time stopping vid and the ranged command throws vid.
http://www.insertcredit.com/features/rugal/index.html

Edit: BTW, added you to my AIM list. I plan on forcing some game music on you. :D



I've just been educated. Thanks. I added your page to my favorites, I'll go back and check it out later. I finally saw what Buriki One is! It looks fun.

You added ME to you AIM list. I'm flattered. Force all the game music on me as you want. I just gotta warn you that I've got a 56k connection so waiting for me to download it is gonna suck.





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I just gotta warn you that I've got a 56k connection so waiting for me to download it is gonna suck.

don't worry. some of us with some of the biggest collections of game and anime media have some of the slowest connections, including Rugal. just watch out for that guy

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"Re(5):CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 21:45post reply


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No Orochi! Yuga! The better god! :D



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"Feel the hate..." , posted Thu 29 May 23:13post reply


quote:
I was chatting with whitesword about this last night.

And after seeing all the hype around SvC,I never realized what a pure masterpiece CvS2 really was. But now I do. I've been in the habit of playing it again and I think it's one of the best games ever(now matter how much Rugal says otherwise. *LOL*)

Unlike this SvC cast,Capcom were somewhat fair on character selections,and the cast,you gotta admit,was more diverse than SvC's.

As you guys' all know,not only did this game only the unique features of bringing in grooves using super bars from various games(C-groove from the SFA series,K-groove from Samurai Showdown,e.t.c.) but it brought back a lot of unexpected cool characters like Eagle and Maki.

And as far as I know,it's done good not only here in America and Japan,but in Europe as well. I even saw The Sun(UK newspaper) run a small thing on it last year.

Not too mention that this game had the coolest backgrounds I've seen in a 2-D fighter since SSF2T and Darkstalkers(the first DS.) My favorites are the London,Nairobi,Barentsburg(where exactly is that?) and Kinderdijk. The first CvS had incredible BG's,but I loved CvS2's a lot.

The play mechanics were good. Which I hope will be good as well in SvC.

Opinions?



Well, while everyone is entitled to their opinion and is more than welcome to express it, all this unabashed affection being pointed in the direction of CvS2 simply HAS to be diverted. It's one of those situations where I won't feel good about myself in the morning if I don't say something. I will do my best to keep my sarcasm at bay, but I promise nothing.

- Boring, uninspired presentation: BGs (what few there are) are pointless. So characters are fighting in front of an icecutter, on the streets of England, and in the desert in front of some kind of off-road rally? Uhhhh... no. While I do like the dojo roof and osaka in flames thing, the rest are totally uninteresting and share no common theme. Add this to the bland, yellow-diamond motif for the remainder of the game and I'm left thoroughly unimpressed.

- Atrocious music: Well, maybe not atrocious... how about we say inane noodling. Not a single memorable track in the bunch.

- Sub-par graphics: The majority of the characters are alright, but the Alpha sprite rips look out of place and Morrigan is just a joke.

- Mind-numbingly monotonous gameplay: 90% of the folks who play fighting games at a competitive tournament level well tell you exactly what I'm about to say. CvS2 STRONGLY encourages (because of the way the engine is set up) boring, hyper-defensive play. And no, I'm not just whining about Sagat and Blanka. While they are incredibly annoying, they're simply a symptom of a larger problem: the game's overall speed (not "normal"/"turbo", more the pace of the game), size of the playing field, and awful hit-box/vulnerability-box issues make CvS2 a SLOW, uninteresting game to play or watch.

CvS2 is only popular at ALL because it's Capcom's most recent release. In the pantheon of fighting games, it's always easy to tell which games were the good ones. They're the ones people still consistently play on a tournament level (Hyper Fighting, Super Turbo, KoF '98, Alpha 3, Third Strike, X-men/SF, Tekken Tag, MvC2) long after their release window. You ever hear anyone talk about that great CvS1 tournament they went to? Nope. Same thing will happen when the next solid tournament game arrives... CvS2 will be dropped like the turd it is.

My apologies for all of the bile. I will now leave you with a slightly modified quote (replacing CvS2... first person to identify the original source gets a cookie.

"For instance, played a game this year called Capcom vs. SNK 2... now, my quick capsule review: PIECE OF SHIT. Thank you. That's all it was, by the way. Don't get caught up in the phony hysteria surrounding this PIECE OF SHIT game. 'Was it well-balanced? Were the charact...' atatatatatata. You're way off base. You've forgotten how to perceive correctly. Take a deep breath. Play it again. 'Hey, it's a piece of shit'. Exactly. That's all it ever was was a PIECE OF SHIT. I just had to say that to clear it up."





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"Re(6):CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 23:15post reply


Mhmm nice to see some others feel CvS1 is underrated too. Sure it is simple gameplay, but you gotta love the presentation of it. Plus, I like CvS1's combo system and overall physics and feel better than CvS2 (Capcom v.s Snk 2 felt a little *floaty* to me). If only I could have Cvs1 with Cvs2's extra grooves and characters, you would have a good fighter in my opinion.





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"Re(9):CvS2" , posted Thu 29 May 23:19post reply


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"Re(10):CvS2" , posted Fri 30 May 00:26post reply


I agree with those who said stuff about CvS2... Personally, I loved the character lineup and moves list and the grooves, but otherwise, CvS1 was WAAAAY better. I hated the BG's, interface, music, and announcer of CvS2. The interface for the first one was dynamic as hell and the backgrounds were very very cool. Character order selection was WAY easier too. Dude, and they had those cool SNK-style transitions into the stages! I think the game would be perfect if they took the characters and their moves plus the grooves and put them in CvS1. CvS2 seemed WAY shorter, too. The first one had more of a story (to me, anyway) and the second one seemed... flat, I guess. Still a lot of fun, and I keep playing just because of the characters in it. I loved the fact that more of their movelists were how they normally are... Like CvS1's Kim was stripped down (his normal version didn't have the little slide across the floor and jump up and snap a downward kick in the air.... that move was a Kim standard to me...). Eh, whatever. Both are good, but there were things I liked about each.






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"Re(2):Re(10):CvS2" , posted Fri 30 May 01:24post reply


hmmm so we all think CVS was avrage ( or a bad ) game , and most of us loved CVS2 , cool but capcom didn't get the formula right from the first time , so will that means that playmore SVC will be the same Level as CVS?





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"Re(1):CvS2" , posted Fri 30 May 05:38post reply


Am I the only one that prefer CvS 1 than the 2 ? [^_^']






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"Re(2):CvS2" , posted Fri 30 May 07:04post reply


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Am I the only one that prefer CvS 1 than the 2 ? [^_^']



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"Re(3):CvS2" , posted Fri 30 May 07:12post reply


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"bad pr0n music" , posted Fri 30 May 07:43post reply


I do the same. They should have used remixes of classic Capcom and SNK themes as opposed of the bad pr0n music they stuck in the game.

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its a good game. but the music is the worst since MvC2. In fact, i turn the music off in that game, too bad you cant turn off that damn announcer. I either play Guilty Gear or KOF music while playing that game, thats how bad i think the music is.







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"Re(2):CvS2" , posted Fri 30 May 07:51:post reply


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Am I the only one that prefer CvS 1 than the 2 ? [^_^']



No, not really, I only play CvS2 for all the characters and grooves, other than that, CvS1 owned the sequel. I still play CvS Pro to this day.

As everyone else said, if I could put all the characters and moves and grooves into CvS1 I would, and it would be the perfect game!

I really don't know what Capcom was thinking, they SHOULD have done that, it would have been less work for them. I mean, they could have drawn a few more backgrounds, but I think we all would have liked to see the old backgrounds return right? They could have gotten some more original tunes, (like Rock's theme) and did some more music for those backgrounds, but in the moves, characters and grooves, and the gameplay tweaks in CvS Pro and BAM! A successful CvS2!

Wow, my wrist is starting to hurt.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, the gameplay of CvS2 wasn't that bad compared to MvC2, I don't wanna be somewhere playing as Kim and hearing someone yelling "Rush that shit down!!" y'know. Even though I'm quite an offensive player. It could get annoying.





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"Re(1):CvS2" , posted Fri 30 May 08:38post reply


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I was chatting with whitesword about this last night.

And after seeing all the hype around SvC,I never realized what a pure masterpiece CvS2 really was. But now I do. I've been in the habit of playing it again and I think it's one of the best games ever(now matter how much Rugal says otherwise. *LOL*)

Unlike this SvC cast,Capcom were somewhat fair on character selections,and the cast,you gotta admit,was more diverse than SvC's.

As you guys' all know,not only did this game only the unique features of bringing in grooves using super bars from various games(C-groove from the SFA series,K-groove from Samurai Showdown,e.t.c.) but it brought back a lot of unexpected cool characters like Eagle and Maki.

And as far as I know,it's done good not only here in America and Japan,but in Europe as well. I even saw The Sun(UK newspaper) run a small thing on it last year.

Not too mention that this game had the coolest backgrounds I've seen in a 2-D fighter since SSF2T and Darkstalkers(the first DS.) My favorites are the London,Nairobi,Barentsburg(where exactly is that?) and Kinderdijk. The first CvS had incredible BG's,but I loved CvS2's a lot.

The play mechanics were good. Which I hope will be good as well in SvC.

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"Re(3):CvS2" , posted Fri 30 May 10:01post reply


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As everyone else said, if I could put all the characters and moves and grooves into CvS1 I would, and it would be the perfect game!



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"Re(2):CvS2" , posted Fri 30 May 10:22post reply


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I love this game as well

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i agree with OYashiro 100%. stupid 3D backgrounds that are quite distracting, painful audio, yucky graphics, and the gameplay is pure anus. CvS1 isn't good either, but I find it a bit more interesting. still, i'd rather play freakin Shaq-Fu than either of these duds





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"Re(3):CvS2" , posted Fri 30 May 11:11:post reply


CvS2 is a playable game, but it has a lot of little annoyances that at the end can build up badly.

Note: I use Japanese names.

* Retarded characters (Sagat, Blanka, Vega, Cammy)

* Messed up hit boxes (Vega's crouching fierce an antiair? Blanka's crouching fierce hitting before the punch comes out. King has no feet in her crouching roundhouse).

* Messed up damage settings (Yun's air fierce makes the same damage as Sagat's air strong - I understand some characters make more damage, but there should be some tradeoffs at least - see below)

* Messed up attack speeds (Sagat's fierces are as fast or faster than other people's forwards and jabs)

* Easy to turtle, but thats more of a consequence of the other points.

That doesn't mean that the game doesn't has its good points. Some characters have a lot of depth (Chun Li, Kyo, etc), the more link-based combo system is very nice, and the Groove system is a nice addition (could be tweaked, especially P and S), but the bad points unfortunately overwhelm the good points. When you have a game where you need a glitch such as Roll Cancelling to make it somewhat more interesting in some cases (Look at Ken's Yun at EVO2k2), I think there is a problem.

CvS2 is a decent game, but it can be made a lot better by fixing those little annoyances, and right now I don't think it can beat Super Turbo or Third Strike, which I think is the best Capcom Fighter to date. Sure, Third Strike has its own little problems (Chun Li could be made a lot more interesting to play with), but do not affect the game anywhere as much as CvS2's problems.





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"Re(1):bad pr0n music" , posted Fri 30 May 12:14post reply


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I do the same. They should have used remixes of classic Capcom and SNK themes as opposed of the bad pr0n music they stuck in the game.


Agreed... fortunately, with a little bit of tinkering, the Dreamcast version can be modified to have ANY kind of soundtrack. Nothing like playing MvC2 with some fast drum-n-bass.





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"Re(2):bad pr0n music" , posted Fri 30 May 12:29post reply


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I do the same. They should have used remixes of classic Capcom and SNK themes as opposed of the bad pr0n music they stuck in the game.

Agreed... fortunately, with a little bit of tinkering, the Dreamcast version can be modified to have ANY kind of soundtrack. Nothing like playing MvC2 with some fast drum-n-bass.



Ahh Yashiro, are you talking about a customize marvel with your own songs that you can use to replace the music. I really have been meaning to do that. I was wondering if the same was possible for CvS2





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"Re(1):READ THIS.." , posted Fri 30 May 13:01post reply


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I suspect SVC might just be a vehicle to see how players accept Capcom characters done the SNK way. They will unleash a sequel to top it up, I am sure.
I suspect their selection is just part of a plan to try and break back in to the American market. They're selling their games again for the first time in a while in America... and face it people, the SF 2 cast are by FAR the most recognized Capcom fighter charas, especially to the American market. I'd wager they're hoping they might be able to smash their way back in to the American market with this game; possibly pulling for a "nostalgia" feel from many "average" gamers. Most Americans didn't even have any concept of SNK until Capcom vs. SNK 2 came out, so they have a lot more leeway in that respect (although pretty much every SNK chara they put in is popular in Japan, with the possible exceptions of Earthquake and Mr. Karate)


I agree, except I was thinking maybe Playmore has the SF2 cast to pay tribute to Capcom's SF 15th Anniversery. The big thing for CvS2 for me, like you point out Rugal, was the fact that I had no frickin clue who the SNK character were. I pretty much recognized Haohmaru and Terry Bogard (mainaly because where I live there's no arcades but a Round Table Pizza with the original FF, Metal Slug, and Samurai Shodown, even now)

But ever since I played KoF 98 to "see where the SNK side came from" I've been a huge SNK fan ever since.


quote Also, Eric, I wouldn't comment on the roster until we're 100% sure it's final, no?


I agree, I'm sure there's still a couple more characters that have yet to be announced, you're talking as if tyhe game's out already.

As for the CvS/CvS2 comparison, I agree there also. CvS1 had a cooler announcer, cooler music, and cooler BGs. I LOVE the way they do the select screen too (for arcade mode).





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"Re(3):bad pr0n music" , posted Fri 30 May 15:16:post reply


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Ahh Yashiro, are you talking about a customize marvel with your own songs that you can use to replace the music. I really have been meaning to do that. I was wondering if the same was possible for CvS2



Yes, it can be done with about 50% of the Dreamcast line-up. However, it's much easier to do with games that have smaller soundtracks (Marvel has only 10 tracks, so there you have it.. CvS2 has a relatively small number as well). I've also seen threads on how to eliminate the announcer in SFA3/CvS2. Fun stuff... and since I already own all of the games, no guilt!

Edit: Fixed retarded grammar error.





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"Re(4):bad pr0n music" , posted Fri 30 May 16:01post reply


Wow! Rather strong opinions. But that's what I like to hear. I thought the majority of the board liked this game. O_O Wow.






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"Re(4):CvS2" , posted Fri 30 May 16:08post reply


As I've previously said, I don't think it's really a bad game. There are many fighters that are a hell of a lot better out there (Gekka 2 is still my favorite) but I play it a lot, because many of the people I actually play fighters with like it. As for all the people who bash the flaws... of course it has flaws, everything does, but that doesn't mean you can't have fun with your friends, right? ^_^ I can't deny I get a kick out of a nice "Sagat-off"... you know, seeing who can be more of a dick with Sagat. Ha ha ha ha!






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"I like it" , posted Fri 30 May 16:09post reply


It's a fun game. I'd join in on analyzing the hell out of it and getting into specific likes and dislikes, but that would take effort I could be using to play Alien vs. Predator ... the raddest beat 'em up of all time.

I still like the Rival Schools version of Sakura best... and super fireballs should travel that fast in 2D as well damnit! I'm getting tired of these anemic super fireballs... I mean, come on people! When someone screws up they need to be EATING A BIG JUICY SUPER FIREBALL! On the air or on the ground. It don't stop.

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"Re(4):bad pr0n music" , posted Fri 30 May 17:54post reply


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Ahh Yashiro, are you talking about a customize marvel with your own songs that you can use to replace the music. I really have been meaning to do that. I was wondering if the same was possible for CvS2


Yes, it can be done with about 50% of the Dreamcast line-up. However, it's much easier to do with games that have smaller soundtracks (Marvel has only 10 tracks, so there you have it.. CvS2 has a relatively small number as well). I've also seen threads on how to eliminate the announcer in SFA3/CvS2. Fun stuff... and since I already own all of the games, no guilt!

Edit: Fixed retarded grammar error.



cool thanks, I have an original marvel and cvs2 as well. Im having some get me a marvel burn to get the custom music, will do it for CvS2 also





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"Re(5):bad pr0n music" , posted Fri 30 May 18:15post reply


I liked CVS1 alot better.

i would WAY rather play RAGE OF THE DRAGONS than CVS2. The gameplay is tight. It's basically everything a 2-d fighter should be except missing some supers.





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"Re(6):bad pr0n music" , posted Fri 30 May 19:02post reply


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I liked CVS1 alot better.

i would WAY rather play RAGE OF THE DRAGONS than CVS2. The gameplay is tight. It's basically everything a 2-d fighter should be except missing some supers.



Yeah,I liked Rage of The Dragons,too.






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"Re(5):bad pr0n music" , posted Fri 30 May 20:23post reply


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Ahh Yashiro, are you talking about a customize marvel with your own songs that you can use to replace the music. I really have been meaning to do that. I was wondering if the same was possible for CvS2


Yes, it can be done with about 50% of the Dreamcast line-up. However, it's much easier to do with games that have smaller soundtracks (Marvel has only 10 tracks, so there you have it.. CvS2 has a relatively small number as well). I've also seen threads on how to eliminate the announcer in SFA3/CvS2. Fun stuff... and since I already own all of the games, no guilt!

Edit: Fixed retarded grammar error.


cool thanks, I have an original marvel and cvs2 as well. Im having some get me a marvel burn to get the custom music, will do it for CvS2 also



Man, I wish I could do that for ALL my fighting games that I own. That's right, I'd even change the music to 3rd Strike. I would put in songs that somehow relate to the fighters or something. It would be some cool shit. Too bad I don't have high speed internet access and a CD burner :(





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"Re(6):bad pr0n music" , posted Fri 30 May 20:57post reply


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I would put in songs that somehow relate to the fighters or something.


you could use "Dude Looks Like a Lady" for Hugo!! [okay, that's more related to his manager, but it still relates to him sorta]





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"Re(6):bad pr0n music" , posted Sat 31 May 00:28post reply


Wait wait wait wait a minute! You are replacing the in-game music with your own!?!?!!?!??!!?

Explain! Explain! Explain! Pretty please...






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"Re(1):CvS2" , posted Sat 31 May 00:33post reply


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I was chatting with whitesword about this last night.

And after seeing all the hype around SvC,I never realized what a pure masterpiece CvS2 really was. But now I do. I've been in the habit of playing it again and I think it's one of the best games ever(now matter how much Rugal says otherwise. *LOL*)

Unlike this SvC cast,Capcom were somewhat fair on character selections,and the cast,you gotta admit,was more diverse than SvC's.

As you guys' all know,not only did this game only the unique features of bringing in grooves using super bars from various games(C-groove from the SFA series,K-groove from Samurai Showdown,e.t.c.) but it brought back a lot of unexpected cool characters like Eagle and Maki.

And as far as I know,it's done good not only here in America and Japan,but in Europe as well. I even saw The Sun(UK newspaper) run a small thing on it last year.

Not too mention that this game had the coolest backgrounds I've seen in a 2-D fighter since SSF2T and Darkstalkers(the first DS.) My favorites are the London,Nairobi,Barentsburg(where exactly is that?) and Kinderdijk. The first CvS had incredible BG's,but I loved CvS2's a lot.

The play mechanics were good. Which I hope will be good as well in SvC.

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CvS 2= BROKEN!!!! the damn game is a top tier fest! Sakura's A-groove!! Sagat dominates all other top tiers!!!

the game is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too broken..

here and now; for all to hear.... I am offically retiring from CvS 2





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"Re(7):bad pr0n music" , posted Sat 31 May 00:50post reply


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Wait wait wait wait a minute! You are replacing the in-game music with your own!?!?!!?!??!!?

Explain! Explain! Explain! Pretty please...



Well i have yet to undertake this task but here is a thread that should explain how to do this

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"Re(8):bad pr0n music" , posted Sat 31 May 02:18post reply


Yeah, CvS2 is very broken. We all want to love it and we know that Capcom put a lot of effort into the game-- it was going to be the crown jewel of 2D fighting games, the culminatinos of 20+ years of work but the game has to many problems. They need to make a sequel that fixes the problems. Third time is the charm as they always say.

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"Re(1):READ THIS.." , posted Sat 31 May 16:50post reply


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I suspect their selection is just part of a plan to try and break back in to the American market.



I think so, and I said that in one of the other SvC threads.

And about CvS2, I think it's a great game. It's a very boring game when played competitively, but... How many people here play competitively? Me not, that's for sure.

Sure, I like other games better (specially the God of fighting games, SF3:3S), but it's a very entertaining game to play with friends, and that's the most important thing, in my opinion.

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"Re(8):bad pr0n music" , posted Sun 1 Jun 03:29post reply


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Wait wait wait wait a minute! You are replacing the in-game music with your own!?!?!!?!??!!?

Explain! Explain! Explain! Pretty please...


Well i have yet to undertake this task but here is a thread that should explain how to do this

Shoryuken


Thanks for the link.
As far as CvS2 is concerned,I think it would be great if you'd just take out the announcer,the stages and the horrible music..That's why I liked the first one more..It's stages were all great and music not bad at all..





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"Re(1):CvS2" , posted Sun 1 Jun 04:11post reply


I played CvS2 for a long time. I could care less about the music because I could barely hear it in an arcade. I could care less about the announcer because it wouldn't matter to me whether he said "You lose" or "Hey, my dick" because I ignore that shit. I could care less about the graphics because I'm not playing it on a 30-inch monitor, and the backgrounds could be solid colors for all I notice back there now.

No, my reason for stopping was simple... too much faggotry afoot. After months of culminating crap it came down to: do I want to start using a top tier and bore myself to death so I have a better chance of winning, or do I just keep failing to contain other overused top tiers with my own less-advantaged team? The answer was obvious: none of the above. So I kicked it to the curb. Same reason I gave up on MvC2.





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"Re(2):CvS2" , posted Sun 1 Jun 06:35post reply


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I played CvS2 for a long time. I could care less about the music because I could barely hear it in an arcade. I could care less about the announcer because it wouldn't matter to me whether he said "You lose" or "Hey, my dick" because I ignore that shit. I could care less about the graphics because I'm not playing it on a 30-inch monitor, and the backgrounds could be solid colors for all I notice back there now.

No, my reason for stopping was simple... too much faggotry afoot. After months of culminating crap it came down to: do I want to start using a top tier and bore myself to death so I have a better chance of winning, or do I just keep failing to contain other overused top tiers with my own less-advantaged team? The answer was obvious: none of the above. So I kicked it to the curb. Same reason I gave up on MvC2.



They have it on a 30-inch monitor in my arcade,and a good stereo system. So it's like........WOOT! O_O






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"Re(3):CvS2" , posted Mon 2 Jun 13:24:post reply


My word. The repeated use of the words "gay" and "faggot" to describe bad things is disturbing. Now I'm not gay myself, but that's just bad. I thought that people here were above that.

Now my opinion...CvS2 is ONE OF THE GREATEST FIGHTING GAMES EVER! You see, I know how to enjoy a game based on how I play a game. I don't play too much vs. play anyway, and the vs. play I do play (and watch) is outstanding. I've lost to Sagat and Blanka before but I ain't whining. In fact, I have the hardest time going against A-groove Hibiki's but you don't see me whining about it. Not all games are balanced, and I don't think the game is at all unplayable.

The music is not the best in the world (with the exception of the Shanghai, Japan, Osaka Castle, and God Rugal and Shin Akuma stages), but I love the announcer. It instills a real feel of competition in me. The backgrounds were just fine. Not the best in the world, but far from the worst.

I see this game as being the only other solid attempt to mesh the two company's styles (having the different grooves that were based on play styles from both companies, and SvC:MotM being the other solid attempt) and the roster is gold, with characters that come from more than just KoF or SF.

I'll just sum up what I'm saying by again saying...ONE OF THE GREATEST FIGHTERS, EVER!





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"Re(4):CvS2" , posted Mon 2 Jun 13:36post reply


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My word. The repeated use of the words "gay" and "faggot" to describe bad things is disturbing. Now I'm not gay myself, but that's just bad. I thought that people here were above that.



But it's appropriate. Many CvS2 players have forged a gay relationship with either Sagat or Blanka. They have the right to it of course, but that doesn't mean I care to watch them or join the parade.





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"Re(4):CvS2" , posted Mon 2 Jun 14:48post reply


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Now my opinion...CvS2 is ONE OF THE GREATEST FIGHTING GAMES EVER! You see, I know how to enjoy a game based on how I play a game. I don't play too much vs. play anyway, and the vs. play I do play (and watch) is outstanding. I've lost to Sagat and Blanka before but I ain't whining. In fact, I have the hardest time going against A-groove Hibiki's but you don't see me whining about it. Not all games are balanced, and I don't think the game is at all unplayable.




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Yes,and he is right,not all games are balanced perfectly. Except Kingdom Hearts(which had some of the best gameplay I've seen in a while)



and even that was riddled with flaws... I mean Jack Skellington a magic user?!?!





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