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| Hungrywolf 1976th Post
 
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|  "Re(4):Eva Live Action Movie planned.."
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I don't have a love-hate relation with it, I actually dislike the series as a whole, even when I like some (minimal) aspects on it (mostly Sadamoto's character design). Maybe because the main point of it was to make you identify with Shinji in the earlier parts of it and to make you get involved with the characters, and it didn't really worked in my case. And the ultra-hyper-annoying hardcore fans didn't helped, really. Only good thing that Evangelion left for the anime world in my opinion: a couple of pretty artbooks.
Well I guess by the love part I meant that through the first part of the anime, when I thought it was going somewhere, I was into it, but when the characters never really changed or grew in the anime, I began to hate it. And I don't even want to talk about the ending.... Luckily, there are other great anime and manga series I've fallen in love with but still, I'm a little sad because I think Eva could've been a good thing. I know there are tons of fans of it who would disagree with me, but I think Eva sucked when it was all over with.
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| Genjuro 493th Post
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| "Re(4):Eva Live Action Movie planned.." , posted Wed 21 May 03:22
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I don't have a love-hate relation with it, I actually dislike the series as a whole, even when I like some (minimal) aspects on it (mostly Sadamoto's character design). Maybe because the main point of it was to make you identify with Shinji in the earlier parts of it and to make you get involved with the characters, and it didn't really worked in my case.
I don't think the director intended to make you indentify with the character at all.Shinji is not a character you can identify with.In his twisted mind,all he wanted was to represent the mentality of "otaku" which came collapsing in the latter episodes,ending quite ironically with the last two episodes.
taken from:Link Here
"The latter half of Evangelion TV series, especially the last two episodes clearly had intention to break the closed domain of anime that keeps on offering narcissistic pleasure to otakus, that is, Evangelion had intention to crack the closed domain of anime, not from the outside, but from the inside, remaining within it, just as its purity is highest, or to make joy of anime self-destruct at the utmost limits."
"In a sense, Shinji, the hero of Evangelion, is not a personality audience can have empathy with, but an introspective mental state itself. Shinji is also a visual point that interprets the world as a whole. The world of Evangelion, in itself, is a closed interiority. This is represented distinctly by the monologue in the last two episodes of the TV series."
"Most of the people who criticize Evangelion indicate that it has a defect or breakdown as a story. To be sure, in fact Shinji is not a hero of a story, namely, he does not try to do anything for himself, and he does not "grow" nor does he become "independent." That sort of indication in itself is correct. Yet, as I have already mentioned, what Evangelion deals with is a self-referential theme that relates to interiority of itself, and it cannot be told as a story. It is wrong to estimate or criticize Evangelion as a story."
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| Hungrywolf 1977th Post
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| "Re(5):Eva Live Action Movie planned.." , posted Wed 21 May 09:13
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I don't have a love-hate relation with it, I actually dislike the series as a whole, even when I like some (minimal) aspects on it (mostly Sadamoto's character design). Maybe because the main point of it was to make you identify with Shinji in the earlier parts of it and to make you get involved with the characters, and it didn't really worked in my case.
I don't think the director intended to make you indentify with the character at all.Shinji is not a character you can identify with.In his twisted mind,all he wanted was to represent the mentality of "otaku" which came collapsing in the latter episodes,ending quite ironically with the last two episodes.
taken from:Link Here
"The latter half of Evangelion TV series, especially the last two episodes clearly had intention to break the closed domain of anime that keeps on offering narcissistic pleasure to otakus, that is, Evangelion had intention to crack the closed domain of anime, not from the outside, but from the inside, remaining within it, just as its purity is highest, or to make joy of anime self-destruct at the utmost limits."
"In a sense, Shinji, the hero of Evangelion, is not a personality audience can have empathy with, but an introspective mental state itself. Shinji is also a visual point that interprets the world as a whole. The world of Evangelion, in itself, is a closed interiority. This is represented distinctly by the monologue in the last two episodes of the TV series."
"Most of the people who criticize Evangelion indicate that it has a defect or breakdown as a story. To be sure, in fact Shinji is not a hero of a story, namely, he does not try to do anything for himself, and he does not "grow" nor does he become "independent." That sort of indication in itself is correct. Yet, as I have already mentioned, what Evangelion deals with is a self-referential theme that relates to interiority of itself, and it cannot be told as a story. It is wrong to estimate or criticize Evangelion as a story."
Yes, and he's just explained why Eva sucks. Good for the director.
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| Radish 1252th Post
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| "Re(1):Eva Live Action Movie planned.." , posted Wed 21 May 16:43:
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Gleaned from Anime on DVD
Not too shocking, as comic movies continue to make great cash (and the Matrix too, which has an anime tie).
It could be good, it could be bad. But I expect various fan discussion to be...intresting...
This brings up many interesting questions.
Who will act in this? Are they going to get American/Europeans or Japanese people, a combination or stick to the character's ethnicities (mostly Japanese)?
How does ADV have enough money to finance this? I wouldn't think they'd have the money to put together something of this scale so is it going to look thrown together even with WETA's help?
Where is the plot going to be focused? Is this going to be a few selected episodes, a sumary of the entire story, a remake of the clusterfuck that was the movies, or something entirely new?
And this is unrelated but the local public broadcasting station in my area's call name is WETA so I can't read about a WETA workshop without thinking of Sesame Street...
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yeah, but Dogma had a saving grace in Jay and Silent Bob.
Unless they're piloting EVA unit 06 or something then it's missing the only thing that makes Dogma watchable.
YES. Dogma made the most hackneyed religeous ideas, but presented them in the tone of "I'm so smart because none of YOU thought of THIS before!" and totally fell apart halfway though. If it wasn't for Jay and Silent Bob no one would have watched it at all.
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| Spoon
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| "Re(5):Eva Live Action Movie planned.." , posted Wed 21 May 20:35
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Jay spends the whole mvoie trying to get into Misato's panties
no, that'll be more like the live-action City Hunter movie.
Anime movies coming from serieses of some sort face two problems:
1.) To pander to fans or not.
2.) Avoiding being little more than an extended episode of the series.
A lot of movies that try to defeat both do it by compressing the entire original story into a movie-length feature. This is a bad idea, as has been proven countless times in the past. Currently, the worst offender that pops up in my mind is X1999, which must've ran through 8 character bios within a span of minutes so that they could all be tossed in ASAP.
Problem number 2 closely ties in with problem 1. Quite simply, when a movie feels like an extended episode of the series with higher production values, it comes off as being trite. Bad Star Trek movies are like this. Of course, if you go about redeveloping all the characters again from scratch, you might bump into problem 1; in fact, you might end up trying to retell the entire story again... or simply making a cut out from the original.
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Let it be said that the EVA movies sucked, no matter how pretty some of the images were.
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Let it be said that the series is not as bad as the pundits make it to be, but it is certainly much more flawed than most of its proponents tend to say.
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| Spoon
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| "Re(6):Eva Live Action Movie planned.." , posted Wed 21 May 20:36
I'm a guessin' that they're doing this because a live action film (not counting the direct-to-video ones, ew >_<) has a greater sense of legitimacy in the North American market than an animated one.
Fine, whatever. But can you make a good movie out of it?
Well, if they want to simply tell the whole original thing, they're already dead.
If they want to simply write a "side-story" that assumes the audience already knows who's who, then they've just gone and defeated any outreach to the masses that making a brand new live-action film offers.
Furthermore, if they want to follow the original and have a Rei that looks 14 years old, they will never find any real girl who will have her typically impossible anime figure AND not look ridiculous.
If you'd ask me, as much as it is likely to offend all the longtime hardcore fans, if they want to make a good movie, they need to write a whole new story that major changes to the original story. As in the X-Men movies, they will have to completely alter the appearance of at least a few characters otherwise they will look silly (e.g. good idea to not have a live action Wolverine dressed in the yellow spandex). The movie needs to be wholly self-contained, and must be made in a way that presents itself as being self-important, not just, "Hey lookit, it's EVA with real people!"
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