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| CrazyMax
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|  "Matrix Reloaded..."
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Yes it kicked @$$!!
Great action, way the friggin over the top and some good laughs.
Recommend it. Long as you expect a special efx feast and some deep philosphy film with a complex story. They kept it simple so they could focus on the action, intro new characters, show you Zion, and babble on some more about Matrix philosphy.
Don't want to a spoil a minute of it for you, but I will give a CM salute!
So far two good big budget films... X2, and then it got better with Matrix Reloaded. Yoo Hoo!
P.S. The trailer at the end of the credits of Reloaded for Matrix Revolutions, is in actuallity just a short teaser. Don't want you guys disappointed after sitting thru the credits when you see it. It looks cool, but a full trailer like the ones for Reloaded now, would really get you psyched.
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| crossslash
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|  "Matrix Reloaded; philosophy"
, posted Wed 14 May 23:00:
The Matrix, and 'Reloaded, were not devoid of philosophy. Dependence and cycles, causality, destiny, the idea that "free will is an illusion" (see if you can call that one)...these are things that most people don't devote any of their time to understanding, which is why it sounds so hammy to them. But these are themes that dominate the story and life if you care to see them. Not a complex story, no. But philosophical, quite...if you've got the mind for it, and a chance between action scenes to breathe, anyways...
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| CrazyMax 251th Post
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| "Re(1):Matrix Reloaded; philosophy" , posted Wed 14 May 23:19
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The Matrix, and 'Reloaded, were not devoid of philosophy. Dependence and cycles, causality, destiny, the idea that "free will is an illusion" (see if you can call that one)...these are things that most people don't devote any of their time to understanding, which is why it sounds so hammy to them. But these are themes that dominate the story and life if you care to see them. Not a complex story, no. But philosophical, quite...if you've got the mind for it, and a chance between action scenes to breathe, anyways...
Actually having had philosphy classes in college I heard this all too much. After awhile it just seems to be people talking to convince themselves of some kind of depth.
Yes, I understand it is concepts that most don't concern themselves with, and they get thru their days fine because of it. But I've met to many people who do dwell on these concepts and think it makes them special because they do.
I think the real purpose of the exposition was to give your brain something to do in the necessary quiet parts of the film.
I do like the discussions of the Matrix and it's role, the roles of people, the machines, choice and what not. But I don't think it is as pivotal to the movie, just a nice compliment.
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| RDS
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| "Re(2):Matrix Reloaded; philosophy" , posted Thu 15 May 16:51
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The Matrix, and 'Reloaded, were not devoid of philosophy. Dependence and cycles, causality, destiny, the idea that "free will is an illusion" (see if you can call that one)...these are things that most people don't devote any of their time to understanding, which is why it sounds so hammy to them. But these are themes that dominate the story and life if you care to see them. Not a complex story, no. But philosophical, quite...if you've got the mind for it, and a chance between action scenes to breathe, anyways...
Actually having had philosphy classes in college I heard this all too much. After awhile it just seems to be people talking to convince themselves of some kind of depth.
Yes, I understand it is concepts that most don't concern themselves with, and they get thru their days fine because of it. But I've met to many people who do dwell on these concepts and think it makes them special because they do.
I think the real purpose of the exposition was to give your brain something to do in the necessary quiet parts of the film.
I do like the discussions of the Matrix and it's role, the roles of people, the machines, choice and what not. But I don't think it is as pivotal to the movie, just a nice compliment.
There's an actual book about much of the philosophy in the Matrix movies, it goes into good detail, and it shows that these movies do have some prevalent philisophical themes involved in them, big or small.
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| HazZan 1248th Post
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| "Re(1):Matrix Reloaded..." , posted Thu 15 May 21:31
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Yes it kicked @$$!!
Great action, way the friggin over the top and some good laughs.
Recommend it. Long as you expect a special efx feast and some deep philosphy film with a complex story. They kept it simple so they could focus on the action, intro new characters, show you Zion, and babble on some more about Matrix philosphy.
Don't want to a spoil a minute of it for you, but I will give a CM salute!
So far two good big budget films... X2, and then it got better with Matrix Reloaded. Yoo Hoo!
P.S. The trailer at the end of the credits of Reloaded for Matrix Revolutions, is in actuallity just a short teaser. Don't want you guys disappointed after sitting thru the credits when you see it. It looks cool, but a full trailer like the ones for Reloaded now, would really get you psyched.
Later
I can't wait till this comes out on DVD.
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"I am the one and only true master"
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| Juan 3179th Post
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| "burly bear" , posted Sat 17 May 02:56:
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BTW can some one tell me the the french guy say some bad words in the restorant???
and are they in english or french???
He did say words in French while he spoke about languages. Did they use dubs instead of subtitles on France?
As for the game Enter The Matrix, its very very unpolished (specially on the car and ship driving sequences,) very repetitive in some stages (smacking cops/swat personel over and over, but i guess you have to get creative as to how to dispose of them) and the camera goes a bit crazy here and there (never makes it unplayable) but you get to do some cool moves, you can watch extra footage of what went on in the background during the flight of the osiris animatrix short and Reloaded, and you have some cool encounters during the end. Rent it first, then go from there.
Ah and the trailer for Revolutions included in the game is different from the one in the movies it had extra stuff like
Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
SMITH LAUGHING LIKE A MANIAC!
End of Spoiler
As for the movie, the first moments were borderline cheese (ex. underground Zion super happy rave orgy party was not needed,) but after that everything kicked ass. Had to see the movie two times to completely understand some of the messages (damn you to hell colonel sanders.) Too bad Tank was removed from the movie, apparently for problems with the actor.
I recommend picking up Time magazine with the Reloaded cover, pretty good articles in there.
Edit: your mom. in vinegar.
Buttermonster??
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| DarkZero
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| "Re(2):Matrix Reloaded; philosophy" , posted Mon 19 May 04:14
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Actually having had philosphy classes in college I heard this all too much. After awhile it just seems to be people talking to convince themselves of some kind of depth.
Yes, I understand it is concepts that most don't concern themselves with, and they get thru their days fine because of it. But I've met to many people who do dwell on these concepts and think it makes them special because they do.
As always, whenever a person mentions philosophy, there's someone waiting just one step behind them to chime in and say that people that indulge in philosophy are "trying to convince themselves that they're deep" and that they "think it makes them special." It is an observation whose wit, maturity, and rarity is rivalled only by the guy that laughs nervously and makes "the French surrender a lot" jokes during every discussion of French politics, and it's about as bold a statement as "kicking puppies is bad." It also strikes me as more than a little ironic.
But anyway, I loved it. The whole thing was just great, from beginning to end, and I don't think I can go much further that. If I mentioned my favorite parts, I'd just be posting a summary of the movie. The action, the exposition, the whole thing was just perfect. My only real complaint was with the kid that followed Neo around. He was obviously from the Animatrix short "The Runner", but since no one has seen "The Runner", and few people have read the descriptions of all of the shorts, I think people felt like they were missing something. I did, even though I knew who he was. The way that the movie, the Animatrix shorts, and the video game come together is a pretty cool idea, but that was the one instance where it may have gone too far.
I also thought that the negative reviews were pretty funny, and I recommend that you read them even if you've already seen the movie. Most of them are filled with the usual complaints about anime, which are A) there's too much plot, B) there's too much talking, and C) I don't like thinking. And no, that's not just a fanboy's reaction. That's actually what these reviews say. Most of them say that they just wanted a dumb action movie, that they didn't want a lot of talking in their dumb action movie, and basically that action movies aren't supposed to step out of their genre and have a plot. Thankfully, sites like Rotten Tomatoes have indicated that only a small number of American and Canadian reviewers are in favor of keeping action movies and movies with plots segregated into "summer movies" and "winter movies".
And finally, a question, which I guess I'll put in spoiler space because it's kinda the pivotal point of the movie. The question also has spoilers for Xenogears, so if you haven't played that, don't highlight.
Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
Does anyone know which bit of mythology the whole "this is the sixth iteration of the world and there have been five predecessors before you" thing comes from? It's the same exact plot as Xenogears and I know that I've looked it up before, but right now I just can't remember what mythology it's from. I'm guessing Jewish mysticism, since that was Xenogears' bag (besides Soylent Green), but I just can't find it right now. It also doesn't help that Google searches for anything dealing with The Matrix are currently turning up official sites, news sites, and then message board posts, with no decent fansites anywhere to be found, which has recently become far too common on Google.
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| Black_Hayato
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| "Re(3):Matrix Reloaded; philosophy" , posted Mon 19 May 12:06
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Actually having had philosphy classes in college I heard this all too much. After awhile it just seems to be people talking to convince themselves of some kind of depth.
Yes, I understand it is concepts that most don't concern themselves with, and they get thru their days fine because of it. But I've met to many people who do dwell on these concepts and think it makes them special because they do.
As always, whenever a person mentions philosophy, there's someone waiting just one step behind them to chime in and say that people that indulge in philosophy are "trying to convince themselves that they're deep" and that they "think it makes them special." It is an observation whose wit, maturity, and rarity is rivalled only by the guy that laughs nervously and makes "the French surrender a lot" jokes during every discussion of French politics, and it's about as bold a statement as "kicking puppies is bad." It also strikes me as more than a little ironic.
But anyway, I loved it. The whole thing was just great, from beginning to end, and I don't think I can go much further that. If I mentioned my favorite parts, I'd just be posting a summary of the movie. The action, the exposition, the whole thing was just perfect. My only real complaint was with the kid that followed Neo around. He was obviously from the Animatrix short "The Runner", but since no one has seen "The Runner", and few people have read the descriptions of all of the shorts, I think people felt like they were missing something. I did, even though I knew who he was. The way that the movie, the Animatrix shorts, and the video game come together is a pretty cool idea, but that was the one instance where it may have gone too far.
I also thought that the negative reviews were pretty funny, and I recommend that you read them even if you've already seen the movie. Most of them are filled with the usual complaints about anime, which are A) there's too much plot, B) there's too much talking, and C) I don't like thinking. And no, that's not just a fanboy's reaction. That's actually what these reviews say. Most of them say that they just wanted a dumb action movie, that they didn't want a lot of talking in their dumb action movie, and basically that action movies aren't supposed to step out of their genre and have a plot. Thankfully, sites like Rotten Tomatoes have indicated that only a small number of American and Canadian reviewers are in favor of keeping action movies and movies with plots segregated into "summer movies" and "winter movies".
And finally, a question, which I guess I'll put in spoiler space because it's kinda the pivotal point of the movie. The question also has spoilers for Xenogears, so if you haven't played that, don't highlight.
I'm not sure if this helps, but many ancient cultures like native americans, south american, hindus, african cultures, mesopatamean etc. Believe that life is a constant cycle of death and rebirth. The world is born in the womb and returns to it. The actions of one world shapes the next in a chain.
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| BlackNinjaVinny 434th Post
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| "Re(5):Matrix Reloaded; philosophy" , posted Mon 19 May 20:51
Guys, check out this funky explanation by a guy named Saty Puft Daddy at Ghostbusters.net:
"People say that Neo used his powers in the real world (aka-stoped the sentinals), but alas there is no real world. At the end of Reloaded, Neo and his pals are running away on foot from a fleet of Sentinels, in the sewer system of the real world. But then, Neo realizes "something", and simply STOPS the Sentinels with a gesture of his hand, as he would stop bullets in the Matrix. Most people immediately thought "So, Neo has powers in the real world as well, now?". But no, this means that the "real world" is That nothing more than an extension of the Matrix. This final moment validates all that was mentioned thoughout the film. It explains how Agent Smith was able to dowload a copy of his program into a human being in the "real world", it explains why the Merovingian seems to be the first "one", even though he is nothing more than a sentiant program. It explains why it is mentionned that the City of Zion and the human resistance has been created and destroyed five times already BY THE MATRIX, it also explains why it is suggested that NEO HIMSELF is in reality a mere computer generated simulation. So, this is the truth: In the beginning, the Matrix knew that a few human beings would eventually realize that they were living in a virtual fantasy, and that these individuals would attempt to escape, to wake up from this dream world. So the machines created ZION, a virtual recreation of the real world, that these individuals could "awaken" into. The humans were completely fooled by the illusion of Zion, of the "real world", but the machines realized that they would need to create a belief system enabling them to control the minds of these people. Enter the Oracle, an artificial intelligence which would convince the human resistance that a messiah was coming by telling them of the prophecy of The One. And then they created The One, a sentiant program convinced that he was a human being, that he was able to manipulate the Matrix at will. His apparent "physical body" in the "real world" would eliminate any doubts that he was a mere illusion, a fabrication of the Matrix. And so, five different Ones unknowingly lead five different human resistances to their own inevitable downfall. The children of Zion could have liberated every single human mind from the Matrix, it would not have mattered, for the real world was in actuality nothing more than another Matrix."
That's some crazy ass thinking, but so far, it's the best thing I've heard said about the movie so far...
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| Sensenic 616th Post
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| "My opinion" , posted Fri 23 May 03:06
Well, I liked it in general, but it gave me this feeling that the movie is too "big", too ambitious. Everyone copied the first movie's formula, so they wanted to make it differ again from the rest by making it "too spectacular".
Yeah, the action scenes were waay cool, I loved all the matrix parts, both action & plot (even though sometimes they seemed "too much" too), but everyting about the real world was way exagerated and absolutely stereotypical. The hangar, the biped robots, the city, the temple, Morpheus' speech and that philosophy behind it that I hate so much (perhaps I'll explain this in another post better), the @#$%& party & the main couple having "perfect sex" like in soooo many other movies (as a romantic scene I think it was much better the short first one, with Neo awakening next to Trinity, showing them as a "happy" & stable couple) and specially all the plot elements that happen in there. Ya know, a council of wise old folks, the cold military guy and the passionate one, a love triangle, deep-and-touching-wannabe dialogues, new young joke character in the place of poor ol' Mouse... meh. Me no likes all that.
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