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| RugalBernstein 3968th Post
 
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|  "Re(3):Shiki"
, posted Sun 11 May 21:10
I like how everyone is saying the games she was in were either "not mainstream" or "not good".
For the people who say they aren't good: A.) did you actually play either SS 64 game, and B.) did you make any effort to learn the new systems?
A lot of people complain about the stamina meter in Samurai Tamashii... but I'll tell you this, I haven't run out of stamina while playing for quite some time now. ;D You more or less have to spazz or try and abuse CD comboes to become tired.
Second, the "not mainstream" isn't entirely true, either. The HNG 64, after its initial distribution flop in Japan (early HNG boards were not Jamma compatabile, effectively destroying sales... stupid, stupid, stupid) the sales of it actually picked up a bit, and Asura Zanmaden was quite successful. They're also apparently very popular in the home market in Japan; Indeed,it seems to go for as much as 30000 yen, cart only (as opposed to say, 200 dollars for an HNG mother board + Asura Zanmaden in the 'states) I'm trying to dig one link out, they have Taisen Hot Gimmick for 6000 yen, and Asura Zanmaden for about 32000... man, the complete opposite of what you see here. :D It's all based on location. ^_^
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| Radish 1213th Post
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| "Re(4):Shiki" , posted Sun 11 May 21:26
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I like how everyone is saying the games she was in were either "not mainstream" or "not good".
For the people who say they aren't good: A.) did you actually play either SS 64 game, and B.) did you make any effort to learn the new systems?
A lot of people complain about the stamina meter in Samurai Tamashii... but I'll tell you this, I haven't run out of stamina while playing for quite some time now. ;D You more or less have to spazz or try and abuse CD comboes to become tired.
Second, the "not mainstream" isn't entirely true, either. The HNG 64, after its initial distribution flop in Japan (early HNG boards were not Jamma compatabile, effectively destroying sales... stupid, stupid, stupid) the sales of it actually picked up a bit, and Asura Zanmaden was quite successful. They're also apparently very popular in the home market in Japan; Indeed,it seems to go for as much as 30000 yen, cart only (as opposed to say, 200 dollars for an HNG mother board + Asura Zanmaden in the 'states) I'm trying to dig one link out, they have Taisen Hot Gimmick for 6000 yen, and Asura Zanmaden for about 32000... man, the complete opposite of what you see here. :D It's all based on location. ^_^
Since I don't own a domestic N64, let alone one that plays Japanese games, I have to go off the opinions of others. I've really yet to hear anything positive (although some neutral) about SS64 so if I was a gambling man, I'd have to go with the chance that's it's not worth the risk to import.
And by not mainstream, I think we're (at least I am) taking about Ken/Ryu/Kyo mainstream. I would estimate that the average American gamer has never heard of SS64, let alone Shiki independent of it. People who are eagerly awaiting SvC probably know who she is, but like Tabasa, haven't played her in the game she was originally in.
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| Cain Highwind
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| "Is it true she's Haohmaru's sister?" , posted Sun 11 May 21:28
I was going to ask this question here sometime, but here's a better opprotunity.
I hardly have a clue who Shiki is other than the fact that I've seen in Gal Fighters and heard she's from a Samurai Showdown. When I saw her design for SvC, I thought, "Hey she looks awesome, she uses dual blades that looks cool, and she's good looking on top of it.
Anyway, I tell the latest news about Shiki being in to a friend of mine over the phone. He knows as much about Shiki as me if not less. But, he also has a copy of SS: Warriors Rage for the PSX. So he tells me he'll fire the game up and look for any mention of her, and then he later tells me, that in one of the endings it's revealed she's Haohmaru's brother because he mentions it to Mikoto who is her daughter. Somethign like that.
So, sorry if this is going off topic, but can anyone fill me in background wise?
Oh and with all the hype surrounding Shiki, I found a ROM of SS2 for the NGPC, and I must say, she plays quite well, if she's anything like that in SvC, she'll probably be one of the first characters I play as.
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| RugalBernstein 3971th Post
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| "Re(5):Shiki" , posted Sun 11 May 21:34
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Since I don't own a domestic N64, let alone one that plays Japanese games, I have to go off the opinions of others. I've really yet to hear anything positive (although some neutral) about SS64 so if I was a gambling man, I'd have to go with the chance that's it's not worth the risk to import.
From my experiences (I.E., questioning people who bash these games) they have generally either not played them, just heard it from someone else (common) or they're getting them confused with the PS game (almost 100 percent of whiners have this problem). Go to neo-geo.com and look around, many people there originally bashed these games as well, through ignorance, but their perceptions have really changed by and large.
Question for anybody else here: Has anybody here played either Samurai Tamashii or Asura Zanmaden, and if so, what did you think of them?
Cain, she's not in "Warrior's Rage", and tell your friend not to touch it, if he knows what's good for him.
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| Amakusa
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| "Re(1):Is it true she's Haohmaru's sister?" , posted Sun 11 May 21:39:
Yes, Mikoto is Shiki's daughter. No, Shiki is not related to Haohmaru. Mikoto refers to Haohmaru in terms of affection, because, well, Haohmaru looks after her sometimes. They have a history together. The relationship between Haohmaru and Shiki goes back to Yuga, the bad guy in the 64-series of games. Shiki also appears in Mikoto's ending, sort of.
And I don't get why people had such a big problem with either of the 64 games. They were on the slow side, granted, but they were still good (stamina bar? Golly, I forgot that thing even existed). I hate the fact it took years before I could play 64 2.
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| Radish 1215th Post
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| "Re(6):Shiki" , posted Sun 11 May 21:42
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Since I don't own a domestic N64, let alone one that plays Japanese games, I have to go off the opinions of others. I've really yet to hear anything positive (although some neutral) about SS64 so if I was a gambling man, I'd have to go with the chance that's it's not worth the risk to import.
From my experiences (I.E., questioning people who bash these games) they have generally either not played them, just heard it from someone else (common) or they're getting them confused with the PS game (almost 100 percent of whiners have this problem). Go to neo-geo.com and look around, many people there originally bashed these games as well, through ignorance, but their perceptions have really changed by and large.
Question for anybody else here: Has anybody here played either Samurai Tamashii or Asura Zanmaden, and if so, what did you think of them?
Cain, she's not in "Warrior's Rage", and tell your friend not to touch it, if he knows what's good for him.
You're probably right that the negative sentiment towards SS64 started out as gamerX telling his friends that it sucked and then them telling their friends, compounded with the speed of rumors on the internet and that since few have played it there's not much dissenting opinion.
I'd give it a shot since I usually like to reserve opinions until I play the game. Since I'm getting Wonder Project J 2 I finally have the reason I need to get an N64 + converter. Now the PS one on the other hand, I KNOW is terrible...
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| RugalBernstein 3973th Post
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| "Re(2):Is it true she's Haohmaru's sister?" , posted Sun 11 May 21:54
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Yes, Mikoto is Shiki's daughter. No, Shiki is not related to Haohmaru. Mikoto refers to Haohmaru in terms of
affection, because, well, Haohmaru looks after her sometimes. They have a history together. The relationship between Haohmaru and Shiki goes back to Yuga, the bad guy in the 64-series of games. Shiki also appears in Mikoto's ending, sort of.
I'll go through and post Shiki's background story again, sooner or later... hey, I know SOMEBODY out there saved it last time I wrote it, save me some time, post it, please? ;D
But yeah, Mikoto is Shiki's daughter (and Yuga is using her in yet another effort to break back in to our world... actually, I'd like to see Yuga try and break back in in a KOF game... but it'd be Orochi all over ;D) Interesting to note, Shiki actually has a son in Asura Zanmaden, with black hair like Asura's; she leaves the baby with Haohmaru because she's heartbroken about Asura's death. God knows where the white haired Mikoto came from.
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And I don't get why people had such a big problem with either of the 64 games. They were on the slow side, granted, but they were still good (stamina bar? Golly, I forgot that thing even existed). I hate the fact it took years before I could play 64 2.
This is the perception most people have, and I'd kind of agree with it. I actually think Samurai Tamashii is very fast once you get used to the mechanics, and I'd say both of them fight at a more " real speed" when compared to most fighters (let's face it, most fighters move at a lightning speed. ;D)
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| Satoshi_Miwa 2168th Post
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| "Re(4):Shiki" , posted Sun 11 May 22:35
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Second, the "not mainstream" isn't entirely true, either. The HNG 64, after its initial distribution flop in Japan (early HNG boards were not Jamma compatabile, effectively destroying sales... stupid, stupid, stupid) the sales of it actually picked up a bit, and Asura Zanmaden was quite successful. They're also apparently very popular in the home market in Japan; Indeed,it seems to go for as much as 30000 yen, cart only (as opposed to say, 200 dollars for an HNG mother board + Asura Zanmaden in the 'states) I'm trying to dig one link out, they have Taisen Hot Gimmick for 6000 yen, and Asura Zanmaden for about 32000... man, the complete opposite of what you see here. :D It's all based on location. ^_^
I figured as much, since she has poped up in other SNK games and in the anime. If she wasn't mainstream then I'd doubt we'd see have seen her at all. She's just not well known in the states, thanks to HNG just not doing anything at all over here.
Having seen the video for the games (Thanks Rugal, again...:) I must admit the 64 game intrigue me (Yes, I was a part of the other crowed before). I would love for Playmore to polish the graphics up a bit for the 2 games (and Buriki one) and give them a hom release...
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| TheBeast 1413th Post
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| "Re(4):Shiki" , posted Mon 12 May 01:38
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I like how everyone is saying the games she was in were either "not mainstream" or "not good".
For the people who say they aren't good: A.) did you actually play either SS 64 game, and B.) did you make any effort to learn the new systems?
A lot of people complain about the stamina meter in Samurai Tamashii... but I'll tell you this, I haven't run out of stamina while playing for quite some time now. ;D You more or less have to spazz or try and abuse CD comboes to become tired.
Second, the "not mainstream" isn't entirely true, either. The HNG 64, after its initial distribution flop in Japan (early HNG boards were not Jamma compatabile, effectively destroying sales... stupid, stupid, stupid) the sales of it actually picked up a bit, and Asura Zanmaden was quite successful. They're also apparently very popular in the home market in Japan; Indeed,it seems to go for as much as 30000 yen, cart only (as opposed to say, 200 dollars for an HNG mother board + Asura Zanmaden in the 'states) I'm trying to dig one link out, they have Taisen Hot Gimmick for 6000 yen, and Asura Zanmaden for about 32000... man, the complete opposite of what you see here. :D It's all based on location. ^_^
I agree with you. When I said "mainstream" there wasn't any connection of it being no good when it comes to gameplay. The first SS64 game was pretty nice in terms of gameplay, but hardly anyone notices it, mainly due to the fact that it had really horrible polygon graphics. The second SS64 didn't even make it to my local arcades.
But perhaps by "mainstream" it has to be taken as a whole and not by particular regions? I am sure many would agree that SS64 sounds foreign...
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| RugalBernstein 3981th Post
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| "Re(7):Shiki" , posted Mon 12 May 10:36:
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I played SS641 [I should go by the Japanese name since that's a really dumb looking abbreviation] and was left with mixed feelings. I didn't figure out the inticracies of the tension bar since some characters could pull off move after move without much of a drain to their bar while at other times characters seemed ready to pass out from doing nothing more than walking across the screen. Plus I never understood why that bar was there in the first place. The game hardly moved at a fast pace to begin with but having something that forced you to conserve your movements made some fights downright sluggish. For me SS641 wasn't the killer debut game that showcased the power and capabilities of the new system it was on, instead it felt like the programmers were trying to work the kinks out of both the new hardware and the jump to 3D. I never played the follow up which is too bad since it looks like they were trying some potentially interesting things with it. SS:Warriors Rage on the PSX wasn't that bad but was actually much, much worse. Personally I think Playmore should drop everything and make a sequel to the SSRPG but I sort of doubt that's going to happen.
Good to hear some genuine critical comments. The stamina bar and the tension bar are different things; you're probably talking about the stamina bar in this thing. Once you get used to it, it's no problem; I'm making some vids of Samurai Tamashii just to show how fast the game really is when you're used to it. I don't know what was up with your observations about it seemingly going down faster for some people; it's the same for everyone, with the exceptions of Gandara, the Deku, and Yuga, who never get tired. Different actions make it go down very fast (you tear it up if you retreat a lot, sidestep a lot, or try and abuse CD comboes...) but other than those things, the only real way to empty it is by spazzing out (it seems to impose a penalty if it picks up what I guess it deems as "button mashing") Despite what you may hear, Asura Zanmaden is actually much, much slower, but it flows much smoother than Samurai Tamashii, and is an excellent game.
Edit: Is it just me, or has Shiki bashing become trendy at the mmcafe? ^_^
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| Ishmael 646th Post
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| "Re(8):Shiki" , posted Mon 12 May 11:46
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Good to hear some genuine critical comments. The stamina bar and the tension bar are different things; you're probably talking about the stamina bar in this thing. Once you get used to it, it's no problem; I'm making some vids of Samurai Tamashii just to show how fast the game really is when you're used to it. I don't know what was up with your observations about it seemingly going down faster for some people; it's the same for everyone, with the exceptions of Gandara, the Deku, and Yuga, who never get tired. Different actions make it go down very fast (you tear it up if you retreat a lot, sidestep a lot, or try and abuse CD comboes...) but other than those things, the only real way to empty it is by spazzing out (it seems to impose a penalty if it picks up what I guess it deems as "button mashing") Despite what you may hear, Asura Zanmaden is actually much, much slower, but it flows much smoother than Samurai Tamashii, and is an excellent game.
Sorry, I was in a rush to post and didn't make myself as clear as I would have liked.
I suspect my impression that some characters had better use of the stamina bar than others came from the way I was trying to play the game. Perhaps with some characters I felt that their special moves weren't all that special so my style of playing was to emphasize combos or perhaps I was playing a smaller, faster character that I thought should be more adept at moving about than the larger, harder hitting characters. I wasn't certain what the problem was at the time since I couldn't find much in the way of information posted about the game beyond "this game sux" when I had access to the arcade unit. SS641 is one of those games I wish I could go back and re-try since I suspect some of my complaints about the game were from my not fully understanding how the game engine worked.
Did jumping adversely affect the stamina bar? I can't remember. The only thing I remember related to jumping was how pathetic Ukyo's Swallow Slice looked in 3D.
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Edit: Is it just me, or has Shiki bashing become trendy at the mmcafe? ^_^
Let the Shiki backlash begin!
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| Rugalbernstein 3982th Post
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| "Re(9):Shiki" , posted Mon 12 May 12:10:
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Did jumping adversely affect the stamina bar? I can't remember. The only thing I remember related to jumping was how pathetic Ukyo's Swallow Slice looked in 3D.
Yeah, but very little; jumping backwards has a bit more of an effect. You see, jumping backwards constantly has a " compounding effect "; if you do it a bunch of times in a row, you start to get very tired. BTW, the look of the Tsubame gaeshi is improved a lot in Asura Zanmaden; the old flaming version is there again, too, but it's the "powered up" version this time around.
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Let the Shiki backlash begin!
How patently unfair. :( What did she ever do to anybody? Maybe I should drag some of the "Ryu bashing" from neo-geo.com over here, to counterbalance (even if I don't really have anything against Ryu...) BTW, I know this has come up before, but does anybod expect SNK to try and magnify the differences between Ryu and Ken?
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