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| Mozex
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|  "Re(1):Kuroko?"
, posted Wed 30 Apr 17:57
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I've always wondered, Kuroko matches are ramdom, or you have to fulfill certain specific conditions to battle him?
From an annonymously published gamefaq at gamefaqs
"There are two ways to get Kuroko:
The first is completely by random. I've gotten him after the third,
fourth, fifth, and other opponents myself. Time, life left, whether
you've continued, human opponents, and any other factors do NOT affect
whether he comes out or not. Once I got him after beating third
opponent Sieger through a timeout, when I had a sliver of life more
than he had. This was a 2-1 match, after I had continued twice already.
So playing quality has NOTHING to do with it!
This second method is sure-fire, and was discovered by Greg Kasavin.
For the 6th, 8th, and 10th opponents, you must beat your opponent in
two rounds. For the second round, you must finish off your opponent
with your Super Move, with under 20 seconds on the clock. Kuroko will
come out after that.
To make this easier, a human player can join in. If either wins 2-0,
winning the second round through the conditions above, Kuroko will
still come out.
Also, a memory card saved at the appropriate opponent WILL work. So home
players can get Kuroko easily by loading the saved position, and beating
a "dummy" player while satisfying the conditions.
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Be kind to goblins.
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| RugalBernstein 3911th Post
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| "Re(1):Rugal?" , posted Wed 30 Apr 18:16:
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1. You name two different SS games' subtitles: Asura Zansomething or other and another whose name I can't remember. I actually played SS64 (and enjoyed it thoroughly...it's on equal ground with SS2 if you ask me), but I don't remember it's subtitle. Which of these games is the first NeoGeo64 Samurai Showdown?
Samurai Tamashii. Asura Zanmaden is the second... then there's the PS game, which is completely unrelated, and most people ignore. You follow their example. ;)
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2. I remember there being a giant midboss. Who was he, and could you provide pics?
Ahhh... Gandara! He's in Asura Zanmaden, too, although it's technically a different Gandara. You see, Yuga takes dead babies and makes them in to various hideous monsters. Gandara is one of these. The Gandara in Samurai Tamashii is one left over from when Yuga was inprisoned; Haohmaru killed it. The one in Asura Zanmaden is actually Taizan's son.
I'll do pics when I get the chance, but for now, there's a vid here, if you like: http://www.insertcredit.com/features/rugal/index.html
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3. You've mentioned this before but I have to ask again: how exactly do you have the ability to play the 3d SS games? Do you have a NG64 cabinet?
Cabs are needed not! Buy a supernova, and then an HNG64 motherboard, and then the games.
http://www.massystems.com/SuperNova.html
This thing
Edit: One last comment, just came to mind. I bet a lot of people like SS2 the most for nostalgia reasons, no? ^_^ Many of you probably have good memories of it, and considering it was one of the only ones which got semi-playable home releases...
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| OYashiroForever
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| "Re(3):Poll: Favorite Samurai Shodown" , posted Wed 30 Apr 19:24
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(not to mention III and IV are practically unplayable as competitive games)
I always wonder how much people who say this have actually played as far as Samuspi goes. ^_^
3 I can agree on, anyway, but it's about fun, isn't it?
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I played the ever-loving bejeezus out of all 4 2D SS games (I would've played the 3D ones, Rugal, but had no access to them).
- III got the least amount of play since we all figured out fairly early on that it was garbage. A damn shame too since it was soooo pretty and had a lot of great new characters (Shizumaru, Basara). Needs severe damage tweaking and the removal or SEVERE limiting of air-blocking before it's even close to playable.
- 1 was a great game for its time, but it simply doesn't do anything that II doesn't do better.
- IV is a fun game to screw around with in 1-player.... for about 30 minutes. As a competitive game (which is what matters for the longevity of a fighting game... one can only play 1-player so long before it becomes tedious), it's chockful of holes: overpowered CD combos, Tam Tam standing A, Sogetsu lockdown madness, etc. It's infinitely more playable than III.. but it's still leagues behind II.
- II is still, to this day, the finest weapons-based fighting game ever crafted (and the only game left in my Neo AES collection >_<). Yeah, you heard me. Not Soul Calibur 1/2. It's all about SS2. Sure Ukyo + Charlotte were a pain in the arse, but they had their counter characters. II can still be played today at a high level(and is... tournaments for it crop up all the time). Oh, and it also had the best soundtrack by far.
This is all my opinion, of course.
- I seem to recall SS2 being released for the SuperFami and/or MD in Japan. Not a 100% sure about that, though. SS1 + 2 were most def released as a 2-pack on the Japanese PSX. It was a perfect port... except for the 20-30 sec. load times between fights. UGH.
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| RugalBernstein 3918th Post
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| "Re(4):Poll: Favorite Samurai Shodown" , posted Wed 30 Apr 19:32:
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- IV is a fun game to screw around with in 1-player.... for about 30 minutes. As a competitive game (which is what matters for the longevity of a fighting game... one can only play 1-player so long before it becomes tedious), it's chockful of holes: overpowered CD combos, Tam Tam standing A, Sogetsu lockdown madness, etc. It's infinitely more playable than III.. but it's still leagues behind II.
Sougetsu is undebatable, he's an easily used Goenitz. You can get by fighting him, but it's hella annoying. As for Tam-Tam's standing A and the CD comboes, after you get used to people trying to abuse them they just aren't a threat anymore. Reverse and deflects. :D
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This is all my opinion, of course.
It generally all comes down to this. ^_^
I don't like 2 as much because it's fairly derivative (nowhere near as derivative as SS 1, though, which was SF with swords... although interestingly, you can completely destroy weapons in the first SS, so that they don't come back for the rest of the round. Few people know this... very hard to do, though) To me, SS didn't really become a unique fighter until SS 3. It was also rather silly, but this is more of a personal issue for me. Besides, I still say a good 70% of people vote for 2 for nostalgia and Cham-Cham related reasons. ;D
Oh, and watch your language, I think I heard an "AES" in there. ;D
Edit: Oh, yeah, if you think a 30 second loading period is bad, try playing Gekka no Kenshi on Neo CD. Ha ha ha ha... you'll have a new concept of loading time.
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| OYashiroForever
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| "Re(5):Poll: Favorite Samurai Shodown" , posted Wed 30 Apr 19:53
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Sougetsu is undebatable, he's an easily used Goenitz. You can get by fighting him, but it's hella annoying. As for Tam-Tam's standing A and the CD comboes, after you get used to people trying to abuse them they just aren't a threat anymore. Reverse and deflects. :D
Perhaps, but there are several characters who simply can't do much about Tam Tam standing A, especially if the person using Tam² knows what they're doing. Obviously, you can beat some scrub who's just mashing on A if you know what you're doing. It's nowhere near as easy with a seasoned opponent who knows his options and distances.
As for CDs, it's simply an issue of it being far too powerful for what it is. Sure, it has enough lag to be punished... but most folks are too smart to not just randomly throw it out. It does like 30+% and gives you a full meter and comes out very fast for several characters. In other words, you can punish anything stronger than a blocked B with it. Not good.
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This is all my opinion, of course.
It generally all comes down to this. ^_^
Indeed. However, keep in mind that there is still a competitive scene for SS2 and no other SS game. For all but the most die-hard SS fans, 2 is pretty much the only one worth playing. While that by no means validates my opinion or invalidates yours, it is something to consider.
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Besides, I still say a good 70% of people vote for 2 for nostalgia and Cham-Cham related reasons. ;D
Fanboys. Their opinions are irrelevant.
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Oh, and watch your language, I think I heard an "AES" in there. ;D
 My Neo cart system would gather dust if it weren't for SS2.
quote Oh, yeah, if you think a 30 second loading period is bad, try playing Gekka no Kenshi on Neo CD. Ha ha ha ha... you'll have a new concept of loading time.
Ugh... ANYTHING on Neo CD is nigh unplayable. All hail the CDZ (and cart)!
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| RugalBernstein 3919th Post
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| "Re(6):Poll: Favorite Samurai Shodown" , posted Wed 30 Apr 20:02:
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As for CDs, it's simply an issue of it being far too powerful for what it is. Sure, it has enough lag to be punished... but most folks are too smart to not just randomly throw it out. It does like 30+% and gives you a full meter and comes out very fast for several characters. In other words, you can punish anything stronger than a blocked B with it. Not good.
Trust me, they aren't as bad as you're making them out to sound, even against people who know what they're doing (which is pretty much all I play in SS anyway... SF Zero 3 is another matter)
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Indeed. However, keep in mind that there is still a competitive scene for SS2 and no other SS game. For all but the most die-hard SS fans, 2 is pretty much the only one worth playing. While that by no means validates my opinion or invalidates yours, it is something to consider.
This is simply untrue. I actually participate in this sort of thing. Pretty much the only SS game we play at the Maryland get-togethers is SS 4. Wasabi prefers 3, but only because he's mastered how to be a total and complete ass in it. :D I actually got him to complement my Amakusa usage, though, which makes me feel good. ^_^ Don't get me wrong, we play 2 as well, but just not as much.
And yeah, glad to see you corrected yourself. ;D If fewer people used the word "AES", the world would be a kinder place. Ha ha ha, seriously, though, I'll have to post the thing about Dion creating the term sometime, though...
Truth to tell, you seem to know your stuff; most people who I tend to argue with just babble stuff they've read off of Gamefaqs. SS 2 is probably the best balance wise, but this doesn't mean the others are unplayable, and certainly not to the degree you imply. Not even 3. :D
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| OYashiroForever
191th Post
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| "Re(7):Poll: Favorite Samurai Shodown" , posted Wed 30 Apr 21:16
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Trust me, they aren't as bad as you're making them out to sound, even against people who know what they're doing (which is pretty much all I play in SS anyway... SF Zero 3 is another matter)
I suppose. Wait, you mean your SFZ3 comp is no good or... eh? Confuzzled.
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This is simply untrue. I actually participate in this sort of thing. Pretty much the only SS game we play at the Maryland get-togethers is SS 4. Wasabi prefers 3, but only because he's mastered how to be a total and complete ass in it. :D I actually got him to complement my Amakusa usage, though, which makes me feel good. ^_^ Don't get me wrong, we play 2 as well, but just not as much.
MD, ay? Well, I live in Northern Virginia and am always looking for comp. Perhaps we could get together some time and play a few rounds of whatever (just about anything Capcom/SNK). Ever since Gametime closed, I've been desperate for comp.
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And yeah, glad to see you corrected yourself. ;D If fewer people used the word "AES", the world would be a kinder place. Ha ha ha, seriously, though, I'll have to post the thing about Dion creating the term sometime, though...
Please do.
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Truth to tell, you seem to know your stuff; most people who I tend to argue with just babble stuff they've read off of Gamefaqs. SS 2 is probably the best balance wise, but this doesn't mean the others are unplayable, and certainly not to the degree you imply. Not even 3. :D
Well, I played fighting games at a competitive tournament level for years. I've been out of the loop for a couple of years (First trying to finish undergrad, then Gametime closing), but I normally judge fighting games based on how they're played at tournament level. Old habits die hard. :)
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| OYashiroForever
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| "Re(9):Poll: Favorite Samurai Shodown" , posted Wed 30 Apr 22:37
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Exactly what I mean. Ryu, Ken, Gouki, Cammy, over and over.... and barely any competent players.
My condolensces... pretty much the same situation I'm in now. The only people I can play with anymore (most peeps only wanna play GGXX and SCII) are no good. Since the closest Alpha 3 machine is 45 mins. away+, I'm left with few options. Well, I play a little bit of everything (A-Gen, A-Balrog, V-Karin, V-Gief, occasional V-Mika when I'm feeling daring). However, I can tell the rust is slowly gathering. Last time I played with friends, I was missing customs left and right. <sigh>
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As for a get-together, yes, this sounds like an excellent idea. I'm currently bogged down in work, but perhaps we could pull something sooner or later. We'll have to get back to this.
Yeah, now's not exactly a good time for me either (Have to go in front of the PhD board next Thursday for a mock therapy session... no fun). However, after the end of next week, I'm done for the semester and will be looking for something to do. Gimme a buzz anytime. AIM: Zangulus100Proof
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| Undead Fred 538th Post
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| "Re(10):Poll: Favorite Samurai Shodown" , posted Thu 1 May 00:53
My favorite SS of all time is 3, but I like 4 a lot too. I played all of the 2D ones and it's kind of tough to choose just one. The first one's great, but since there's sequels, I haven't played the first one in forever. I like 2 because of Cham-Cham, 3 because it's got AWESOME animation and art direction plus great new characters, and 4 because it's got the great characters from 3, "finishing moves", and more characters that you haven't gotten to play with in a long time (like Jubei) and, of course, more new awesome characters.
I'm capable of much better graphic design but I just slapped this together. Sorry....
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| Hank Quinlan
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| "Re(4):Kuroko?" , posted Thu 1 May 12:30
My biggest problem with 3 is the AI. You just can't use your special moves at all unless you force a situation that the computer can't do anything about. With bust Ukyo for instance, one of the best ways to beat the game was to jump up and down endlessly doing slash that either went straight across or down at an angle. Of course, there was more to it than this--I remember quite a bit of strategy, but it was rediculous how much of Ukyo was jumping up and down. That game just punished you for trying to do about anything fun. Oh, and don't forget that stupid 'main character' (I've already forgotten his name) and that stupid fan of his. OK, he wasn't anyworse than EarthQuake was in 1, or Cham Cham in 2, but he had rediculous priorities on all his moves.
Still, 3 was pretty creative. Really, they were all good games, but I think I'll stick with 2 where Ukyo is crazy-strong.
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| Makondo99
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| "Re(2):Kuroko?" , posted Thu 1 May 15:38
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From an annonymously published gamefaq at gamefaqs
"There are two ways to get Kuroko:
The first is completely by random. I've gotten him after the third,
fourth, fifth, and other opponents myself. Time, life left, whether
you've continued, human opponents, and any other factors do NOT affect
whether he comes out or not. Once I got him after beating third
opponent Sieger through a timeout, when I had a sliver of life more
than he had. This was a 2-1 match, after I had continued twice already.
So playing quality has NOTHING to do with it!
This second method is sure-fire, and was discovered by Greg Kasavin.
For the 6th, 8th, and 10th opponents, you must beat your opponent in
two rounds. For the second round, you must finish off your opponent
with your Super Move, with under 20 seconds on the clock. Kuroko will
come out after that.
To make this easier, a human player can join in. If either wins 2-0,
winning the second round through the conditions above, Kuroko will
still come out.
Also, a memory card saved at the appropriate opponent WILL work. So home
players can get Kuroko easily by loading the saved position, and beating
a "dummy" player while satisfying the conditions.
"
Hey, thanks for the info Mozex. I'll try the second method later.
...Silver!
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| UnCauzi
63th Post
Occasional Customer
| "Ahhhh SS2" , posted Thu 1 May 16:44
Is in my opinion the greatest of all the Samurai Showdowns, whoever said it was SF with swords is sadly mistaken. SF doesn't have guard impacts, weapon breaks, the rage meter, or even rolling, ducking, or universal hopping at the time that Samurai Showdown 2 came out. I also don't believe that you can play any character like Ken/Ryu and truly be effective. There's no real invincible "Dragon Punch that shit" twitchiness to SSII in my opinion. Hella methodical game. Throw the great gameplay on top of an awesome color scheme, backgrounds, characters, and music = greatest Samsho2 of all time. At least by popular opinion, I know plenty of players that HATE cham cham that love ss2 more than the rest.
Most cham cham players in my experience of fanboys anyway. No offense to the the non fanboy chams ;) I know there are some that are good, then like every kof there's the players who really aren't very good but like playing little girl characters that have an abusive move.
As for 3, personally I like it, in fact I like it better than 4. Despite the ridiculous damage and air blocking I find it's play simply hilarious. While in 4 with cd combos and infinites that come from them I just get bored as soon as I see one start I yawn. Now players that play 4 like they are playing samsho 2, aka, no cd combos, or infinites makes samsho 4 pimp, but that's hard to find.
my 2 cents.
UnCauzi
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| RugalBernstein 3927th Post
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| "Re(9):Poll: Favorite Samurai Shodown" , posted Thu 1 May 19:31:
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On Gandara and Yuga: In the Gandara video, maybe it's just the fact that I'm not the one that's playing, but he doesn't look too difficult to me. I'm pretty sure you purposely lost in order to show how powerful this guy is right?
Admittedly, yes; I REALLY wanted him to do his slam you around and "eat your head" super, but he didn't do it. -_- Also, keep in mind that most of what I'm hitting him with there are fierce hits, and that many of his moves are unblockable, which IS quite nasty. He's VERY hard with some charas (poor Hanma!) but he's actually almost no fight at all for Asura or rasetsu Genjuro.
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Yuga: Now THAT'S terrifying! Homeboy could probably roast anyone in seconds! I watched the video where you (I'm assuming it was you that was playing) were Ukyo and got your @$$ handed to you. That was still pretty sweet when you hit Ukyo's super though.
Yeah, that was female Yuga. :D The nastiest version. Check out the one with Haohmaru vs. Yuga... ranged command throws! BTW, you interested in any music from these games? :D
Also, Uncauzi, you seem to put words in my mouth. Read what I said a bit more closely before speaking.
Edit: Mosquiton: Yeah, this is why I don't mind 3, either. Plus, I really like the incarnation of Amakusa in it (best stage and theme song in SS series, IMO) Again, as for infinates and the like, people who use them only show what pathetic players they actually are. I don't use this sort of thing unless people use them on my first; I don't find them fun to do at all, unless it's just a "comedy match" amongst friends. If they try and pull crap like this, then they're asking for it. I find Shizumaru's instant dizzy to be the most annoying, anyway, Rimururu doesn't bother me too much. ^_^
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| RugalBernstein 3930th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):Poll: Favorite Samurai Shodown" , posted Thu 1 May 22:36:
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Okay I did, but I fail to see what you want me too. Eh, who cares, I said my peace.
You apparently didn't notice I said " SS 1 " was "Street Fighter with swords ". Since when does a "1" look like a "2"?
Secondly, SS 2 came out in 1994, by which time at least a few of the features you mentioned are in SF(notably the "ikari gauge ", or " super meter " as some call it..) Still, it's amazing when you compare SS 1 and 2, considering there is only a year of difference between them.
Anyway, to get to the very core of this issue: All the fanboy bashing is rather hypocritical. We're all obviously " fan boys " to be posting at this site and for even bickering about something like this. ;)
There, I've said my "piece" now, as well.
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| DKW
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| "Re(2):Poll: Favorite Samurai Shodown" , posted Tue 6 May 00:15
Dammit, I never mindlessly followed the herd in my life and I'm not about to start now. My vote is for 1. Yeah, you heard me.
In fairness, it's not by much. Samurai Shodown, IMHO, has actually remained very consistent in quality throughout (compare it to Street Fighter or...actually, that's enough  ). It's just that while every game has desirable qualities, 1 has fewer things I don't like than any of the others.
I don't understand the slavish worship of 2 at all. I've heard explanations of the demise of the Dreamcast that made were more understandable. I don't know what made Ukyo a monster (I've always done my best with Charlotte or Kyoshiro, BTW), I don't understand this "strategy fighting" business, and I don't understand why the announcer sounds like he's auditioning for Run 'n Gun 2. It's a fine game, yes, but JUST that. Hey, I know a breathtakingly wonderful game when I see it (e.g. Klonoa 2, Swing Away Golf...and they're definitely not without flaws, believe me), and SS2 isn't even close.
SS3 was a nice step forward, and I like that it fixed a number of flaws from the previous games, like, two-part hard slashes that almost always whiffed the second part (why does no one ever mention this??). 99.999% of the beefs about this game went about a kilometer above my head. (Just wait until you face Zankuro; you'll be very thankful for the "obscenely high" damage then.) IMHO, this capture the spirit of samurai-era duelling better than any other, and I <<will not>> ignore the eye-popping graphics. My beefs were that the story should've been fleshed out a lot more, and the CPU was way, way too hard, which is another thing I will never ignore.
SS4 was, IMHO, a mix of good and bad points from the previous games. It's a worthy addition, but there are certain games where generic stages and BGM for only certain characters simply does not work, and this is one of them. Also, the really half-baked "prequel" nonsense (which I'm not buying) was totally uncalled for.
These aren't big beefs, but they're more than enough to push SS1 to the top. Come to think of it, I also like the original SF2 several thousand times more than the "improved" versions (which no one has given the time of day to in every Ultracade machine I've seen), and I actually sold my copy of NFL Blitz 2000 for PSX to get the original...which I'd already rented twice. I'm not old-school by any means, but oftentimes I just prefer the game before the creators retweaked and reworked it to death.
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"Re(2):Re(10):Poll: Favorite Samurai Shodown" 
Negative aspects put a number of people off the game. For small children with weak looking limbs Shizimaru and Rikimaru seem to have incredible strength and reach.