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| OYashiroForever
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|  "SVC Cast announcement 2nd Impact Giant Attack"
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Yeah, I know... lame name. I figured why not start a second thread regarding the recently announced set of characters for SvC Chaos before the first one collapses under it's own enormous girth. Actually, Rugal suggested it... blame him.
With that said, a couple of points to promote conversation/incite riots:
- If this is the final roster, name one character you would remove and one character you would add (ONLY ONE!). Oh, and if you remove an SNK character, you must replace that person with an SNK character and vicey versey.
For myself, Choi out, Yashiro in. It's not that I don't like Choi (actually, I don't), he just doesn't seem to fit with the rest of this cast. Besides, everyone knows that one Hugo Handclap and Choi would be a skidmark on the big man's hands. 
- Boss predictions?
- any other random, baseless speculation?
Yeah, I ran out of ideas... sorry, it's late. Talk amongst yourselves...
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| Gen 1510th Post
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| "Re(1):SVC Cast announcement 2nd Impact Giant " , posted Fri 25 Apr 00:36
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- If this is the final roster, name one character you would remove and one character you would add (ONLY ONE!). Oh, and if you remove an SNK character, you must replace that person with an SNK character and vicey versey.
SNK: I'd cut Iori and put Mature
Capcom: I'd cut Chun, Hugo, Guile, Tabasa, and Dhalsim, and put in Dan, Allen Snider, Sakura, Sean, and Evil Ryu and Cyber Akuma.
No, just kidding, I'll put a Capcom one later.
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- Boss predictions?
- any other random, baseless speculation?
Either Rugal or someone new is my prediction. Actually since they have used Rugal in so many Dream matches, I wonder if they'd think of someone else this time.
If I had to choose now who I'd put it it would be Amakusa and Jedah. Jedah will make the cosmic clam womb to make Amakusa a new burning pearl, then they will picnic on honey and scones atop a big fluffy blanket by the pond and feed the ducks.
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| DarkZero
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|  "Re(1):SVC Cast announcement 2nd Impact Giant "
, posted Fri 25 Apr 02:25
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- If this is the final roster, name one character you would remove and one character you would add (ONLY ONE!). Oh, and if you remove an SNK character, you must replace that person with an SNK character and vicey versey.
I think Choi should be out. They don't even have to replace him with anyone. Just get rid of Choi, knock the number of characters down to fifteen, and the game will be infinitely better. They don't have to replace him with anyone cool like K', or Rock, or Jedah... just a blank space. A blank space that is not Choi. Or, barring that, they could just put a little option in the options menu for SvC:
PLAY TIME NORMAL
CONTINUE ON
DEMO SOUND ON
PLAY MANUAL ON
ANNOYING LITTLE MAN? NO
DIFFICULTY LEVEL 4
CREDIT/LEVEL ON/ON
I think that that would be a great addition (subtraction?) to SvC and would be welcomed by most of SNK/Playmore's English speaking fans. I've found few people that like that annoying little super-deformed Freddy Kreuger that you have to crouch to hit that jumps at you at odd angles and has a defensive super twice the size of Rock's. And don't even get me started on the voice. Choi's voice makes Athena's voice sound like a beautiful symphony that I'd like to listen to for hours on end.
And no, I'm not really pissed off. I'm kidding... sort of. Well, not really kidding, but not really pissed off, either. I can deal with Choi being in SvC, but I just wish that I didn't have to.
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| talbaineric 4975th Post
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| "Re(2):SVC Cast announcement 2nd Impact Giant" , posted Fri 25 Apr 05:37
I'm hoping for a whole shitload of characters.
*hopes for Cammy,Talbain,Billy Kane,Demitri,B.Jenet,Elena,Athena,Rose,Galford,Urien,Eagle,Maki,King,Fio,Dudley,Batsu,Seth,Vanessa,Xiangfei,Foxy,Angel,May Lee,Hinata and SO MUCH MORE!*
The list goes on and on,heh.
But,let's hope this ain't a final roster.
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| Jigsaw
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| "Re(1):SVC Cast announcement 2nd Impact Giant " , posted Fri 25 Apr 05:49
Unlike most people, it seems, I don't mind this roster much (regardless if it's the full roster or not), but I personally hope there are some characters yet to be revealed. If this turns out to be the final roster though, I guess I wouldn't be shocked, but I'd definitely be a tad dissapointed. I very much hope to see Cammy in the game, and if they do expand the roster, that might not be too unrealistic... She's pretty popular, isn't she?
Other people I'd like to see include Garou characters like the Kims or Gato, newer KOF characters and maybe someone from Rival Schools. A couple of the *good* SF3 characters would be nice too.
If I were to replace ONE character, it'd be Choi, but I dunno really who I'd replace him with... Well, pretty much anyone would be a better choice, in my opinion. Clark, maybe?
I don't care much about who the boss/bosses will be, as long as it's not Rugal. He's the worst KOF boss, and he's been in like 4312 games already. How come the GOOD bosses die (and stay dead)? I can't believe there are still people who aren't sick and tired of him... -_-
BTW, it would've been nice to see Kyo and Terry in their new outfits, but it's not like it's the end of the world...
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| Satoshi_Miwa 2134th Post
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| "Re(4):SVC Cast announcement 2nd Impact Giant" , posted Fri 25 Apr 10:33
I won't remove a character, but will suggest that Playmore take a LB, KOF 99+, and a Gaoru character to fill the line up out for SNK. And a Project Justice, DS, and Final Fight character to fill up Capcom's line up. Want specifics? I'm rooting for Kula and Cody right now...
Bosses, as I've said before, need to be Belgar and Zero teaming up for evil.
I expect there will be classic themed backgrounds this time, since it's not Eolith making the game. Don't know about the sound, but if they could get the old SNK sound team to remix the classic KOF and SF themes I'd be super happy...
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| s-t-e
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| "Re(1):SVC Cast announcement 2nd Impact Giant " , posted Fri 25 Apr 14:48
SNK side:
- Mai, + Kula
- Earthquake, + Griffon
- Ryo, + Mr. Karate
- Choi, + Yamazaki
Capcom side:
- Guile, + Charlie
- Akuma, + Jedah
- Dhalsim, + Shiba (he might belong to Psyiko, but i'd love to see him in a fighter)
Boss prediction:
Zero with Blanka, Dan, Bao, and R.Mika as strikers 
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| The Big Bad
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| "Choi!!!" , posted Fri 25 Apr 20:49:
They put Choi!!!! This is going to be the best game ever!! I love the chicken man (seriously, and Chang as well).
Seriously thought, three shotos? Remove any two of them, replace them with Dan (he's an essential part of the Capcom/SNK rivalry) and characters from Rival Schools, Darkstalkers or Final Fight.
Also, sixteen characters?! Screw animation, put two more characters per side and I'll be a happy camper. I mean, Match of th Millenium had more characters (even if it had hella lot recycled sprites. Personally, I hope they at the very least add Athena for the SNK side.
And give Kyo his 99 outfit for gob's sake!
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It may also have a giant block of Tofu as a hidden character, but that has yet to be confirmed or denyed by drunken frat boys.
Dude, that would ROCK!!j/k
Edited for Athena suggestion.
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| ZamIAm 945th Post
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| "Ryo looks like he'll eat me..." , posted Fri 25 Apr 21:01
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Personally, I'd love it if Elena was in there somehow, but I'm one of her few fans.
You and me both, bro!
Hey wait...there AREN'T any black characters in there!
Blast you Playmore!
Elena's cool but I'll doubt she'll make it in. Playmore probably doesn't see any racial issues. VERY few blacks in Japan. Not counting the "Mr. T" alternate for Zngief, the pocket version didn't have any blacks. On that note, they seemed to have darkened Dhalsim quite a bit in that art... As much a s I'd love to see Dudley, I'm sort of silently rooting for Boman.
Back to the original question, I'd ditch Akuma for Urien. Fair enough swap considering badnesseses, suntan lotion, projectiles, and noteriety while giving someone who plays quite different. Freddy Choi should stay (besides, he's quite popular in Asia).
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| CrazyMike 501th Post
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| "Re(5):SVC Cast announcement 2nd Impact Giant" , posted Fri 25 Apr 21:30:
If 16 chars is the final roster, I think there is going to be a dramatic waste of space. I mean, unless SNK plans on adding new moves, Ryu still only has a fireball, shoryuken, hurricane kick, and a few supers. 16 characters with many Capcom guys having limited moves? Unless they plan on making some spectacular backgrounds and lots of frames of animation, but I would prefer more guys to more frames personally; KOF 2002 squeezed in 30+ with still good animation.
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| RugalBernstein 3882th Post
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| "Re(7):SVC Cast announcement 2nd Impact Giant" , posted Fri 25 Apr 22:04:
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i dont understand what the problem is, there almost is never a black guy in snk games, if u noticed
Well, let's see... first off, it wouldn't make any sense in SS or Gekka. In AOF, there are Mr. Big and Mickey... in FF, there was Michael Max, Richard Meyer, and Bob Wilson (not counting Ripper as a chara, ha ha ha)
In Buriki, there was Rob Python and Ducalis. In KOF, there are Heavy D!, Lucky, and Seth. I think that's good number, actually. Now let's all stop whining about ethnic diversity, people. The games are made for Japanese, not you. The don't take the whole American " let's make it as multi-cultural and politically correct as possible " attitude towards things. I think this sounds unintentionally harsh, but it just boggles the mind how much pre-release whining is going on. Wait for it to be confirmed this is the final roster, then complain.
Edit: Forgot about Axl Hawk. George Foreman... ha ha ha.
AND Duck King. What's the matter with me? -_-
Final edit: Oh, and they're now saying this is only a preliminary character roster over at NG, so I'm inclined to take this as a truth.
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| Nate
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| "Re(8):SVC Cast announcement 2nd Impact Giant" , posted Fri 25 Apr 23:16
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Well, let's see... first off, it wouldn't make any sense in SS or Gekka. In AOF, there are Mr. Big and Mickey... in FF, there was Michael Max, Richard Meyer, and Bob Wilson (not counting Ripper as a chara, ha ha ha)
In Buriki, there was Rob Python and Ducalis. In KOF, there are Heavy D!, Lucky, and Seth. I think that's good number, actually. Now let's all stop whining about ethnic diversity, people. The games are made for Japanese, not you. The don't take the whole American " let's make it as multi-cultural and politically correct as possible " attitude towards things. I think this sounds unintentionally harsh, but it just boggles the mind how much pre-release whining is going on. Wait for it to be confirmed this is the final roster, then complain.
Edit: Forgot about Axl Hawk. George Foreman... ha ha ha.
AND Duck King. What's the matter with me? -_-
Final edit: Oh, and they're now saying this is only a preliminary character roster over at NG, so I'm inclined to take this as a truth.
Axel Hawk and Duck King are black? Would you have anything to back this up? I mean, I just don't see it. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk or anything. Oh, and Heavy D!'s skin tone doesn't seem to indicate that he's black, at least to me. I'd say he's probably Latino.
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| RugalBernstein 3885th Post
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| "Re(9):SVC Cast announcement 2nd Impact Giant" , posted Fri 25 Apr 23:27:
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Axel Hawk and Duck King are black? Would you have anything to back this up? I mean, I just don't see it. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk or anything. Oh, and Heavy D!'s skin tone doesn't seem to indicate that he's black, at least to me. I'd say he's probably Latino.
Axel Hawk is George Forman, and yes, Duck King is black (post FF Special, anyway, and he got progressively darker, to boot. Just look at him in Wild Ambition, you'll see what I mean). You don't have to be terribly dark to be black, you know. -_- I'm literally amazed Heavy D! even came up. The only person I listed who there could be any serious debate about is Richard Meyer, and this is because he was ORIGINALLY white, he just underwent an ethnicity change operation (much like Birdie) for all of his appearances in Bob's stages and endings.
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| Nate
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| "Re(10):SVC Cast announcement 2nd Impact Giant" , posted Fri 25 Apr 23:53
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Axel Hawk is George Forman, and yes, Duck King is black (post FF Special, anyway, and he got progressively darker, to boot. Just look at him in Wild Ambition, you'll see what I mean). You don't have to be terribly dark to be black, you know. -_- I'm literally amazed Heavy D! even came up. The only person I listed who there could be any serious debate about is Richard Meyer, and this is because he was ORIGINALLY white, he just underwent an ethnicity change operation (much like Birdie) for all of his appearances in Bob's stages and endings.
Hmm, guess SNK is a little more subtle about a character's ethnicity than Capcom (ahem, M. Bison the boxer in his Alpha 3/CvS form, Birdie), then. Point taken. Actually, I heard the Heavy D! thing from another message board a while back. Oh well.
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| HazZan 1222th Post
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| "Re(1):SVC Cast announcement 2nd Impact Giant " , posted Sat 26 Apr 05:29
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Yeah, I know... lame name. I figured why not start a second thread regarding the recently announced set of characters for SvC Chaos before the first one collapses under it's own enormous girth. Actually, Rugal suggested it... blame him.
With that said, a couple of points to promote conversation/incite riots:
- If this is the final roster, name one character you would remove and one character you would add (ONLY ONE!). Oh, and if you remove an SNK character, you must replace that person with an SNK character and vicey versey.
For myself, Choi out, Yashiro in. It's not that I don't like Choi (actually, I don't), he just doesn't seem to fit with the rest of this cast. Besides, everyone knows that one Hugo Handclap and Choi would be a skidmark on the big man's hands.
- Boss predictions?
- any other random, baseless speculation?
Yeah, I ran out of ideas... sorry, it's late. Talk amongst yourselves...
I'd take out Dalshim and add in Gen.
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| Gen 1517th Post
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| "Latino" , posted Sat 26 Apr 14:33:
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Oh, and Heavy D!'s skin tone doesn't seem to indicate that he's black, at least to me. I'd say he's probably Latino.
you forget that many latinos ARE black. Latino isn't a race, but an ethnicity.
I don't consider "latino" an ethnic group. It is forcing together many ethnic groups spread over half the world in to one. Portuguese speakers from Brazil might be one ethnic group, Tagalong speakers from a Pacific island are another ethnic group. Yet here they both are forced together into "latino".
The word "latino" is now meaningless. Originally it would refer to people who were conquered by the Latins. So French people for example would be latino. The Latins never made it to America.
But then came in the U.S. the bad confusion relating to the subject of race. Political correctness. Race being brought up in areas where it doesn't belong, etc. Things that aren't races being thought of as races, etc etc.
In this country, I see questionnaires that ask you your race. As choices I've seen white, black, Asian, and latino. So in many areas in the U.S., latinos are considered and treated as a race group, which they in fact are not.
When I used to drive into my school, I was greated by a serries of giant posters. One poster would have a smiling white woman, the next poster would have an smiling Asian man, the next would have a smiling black woman, the next would have a smiling "latino" man. Ok, so maybe their intentions are good but their actions are idiotic. One message these posters sends to the viewer who has to look at them every day for a year is "you are a sexist and racist, and you have to be brain washed into being a good Politically Correct person." This was a running theme from the administration at my University - it's "I'm good because I'm not racist, and I'm not racist because I hire people based on race and sex." Obviously, if you hire people based on race and sex to work at a university, you are a racist and a sexist.
Anyway the main point relating to this topic is political correctness gone awry, and it's showing latino as a race group along with white, black and Asian.
If latino is supposed to be a new PC word for hispanic, or is supposed to be used interchangably with hispanic, well, why change to a new word in the first place?
If we are talking about hispanics, why are people who don't speak Spanish included.
If we are talking about hispanics, why is the word often used in this country to not include people FROM SPAIN. I know the answer to this one. This is the flawed logic why: Spain is in Europe, and Europians are white, and latinos aren't white.
Why call this group latin, when latin is a dead language and the only latin speakers are going to be a small number of intelectuals.
Even if the phrase made sense at one time in the past, the way it is used and applied to people now doesn't make sense and is unhelpful. So even if it originally meant the arbitrary geographic group of American countries south of the U.S., the way it is used now is quite warped from that starting point.
I've asked every person I know who is lumped into the "latino" group if they know why that word is used, along with some of the questions I mentioned. None of them knew. Of course I understand that most of them really even don't care why, it's just the word that's used and they use it. But I have asked "ethnic leaders" why this word was used. They didn't know. One "ethnic leader" said that it wasn't politically correct to say Latino in Texas, and you were supposed to say Hispanic and if you said latino in Texas they would get very upset but in L.A. it wasn't politically correct to say Hispanic and you were supposed to say Latino and if you said hispanic they would get very upset. She also said that hispanic was an ugly word. 
I was in a health class - this was an University class by the way - as an assignment we had to bring in the name of a dish that was part part of our culture or heritage or something like that. I chose sushi.
At some later class we unexpectedly had a guest speaker come in. She talked about soul food. Her points were that it was so great that slaves invented this cuisine from table scraps, and that it was bad for you and causing health problems and you should eat something else.
The guest speaker knew about the assignment and apparently the purpose of the assignment was for her visit. She went around the room calling on people, asking people what their ethnic group was and asking them to tell their chosen dish. So at this point the assignment seemed to have more of an ethnic spin to it than the teacher had lead us to expect.
One girl, from Peru, chose lomo saltado. After hearing her responses, the guest speaker said, "oh I love Mexican food!" The girl was a little surprised and had to tell her a more than once that she was from Peru, which isn't Mexico. So then the guest speaker changed her response to, "oh, well, [I love] Latino food." She also thought Lomo saltado was a burrito or a taco, which it's not.
Ok so I see this girl form Peru as a relatively new immigrant, and when she arrives here in the U.S. she is told she is a Latino and being grouped with un related cultures into one category. I think this isn't helpful. I think it is a disservice to force-group all these immigrants from all over the globe into the nonsense grouping called "latino". If were going to push them into a group, I say let's make that group Americans. :) If you want to group previously little in common cultures into one group - let American be that group, along with all the other cultures that have contributed to American culture. :)
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| RDS
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| "Re(1):Latino" , posted Sat 26 Apr 16:24:
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One girl, from Peru, chose lomo saltado. After hearing her responses, the guest speaker said, "oh I love Mexican food!" The girl was a little surprised and had to tell her a more than once that she was from Peru, which isn't Mexico. So then the guest speaker changed her response to, "oh, well, [I love] Latino food." She also thought Lomo saltado was a burrito or a taco, which it's not.
Hey Gen, what is Lomo Saltado? Like what kind of food is it? I'm just wondering.
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| Gen 1518th Post
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| "Lomo Saltado" , posted Sat 26 Apr 19:08
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One girl, from Peru, chose lomo saltado. After hearing her responses, the guest speaker said, "oh I love Mexican food!" The girl was a little surprised and had to tell her a more than once that she was from Peru, which isn't Mexico. So then the guest speaker changed her response to, "oh, well, [I love] Latino food." She also thought Lomo saltado was a burrito or a taco, which it's not.
Hey Gen, what is Lomo Saltado? Like what kind of food is it? I'm just wondering.
It's potatoes, steak, onions, and various other flavor adding ingrediants like pepers. It's like a stir fry. It's long been my order of choice at Peruvian restaurants. (So it was interesting for me when that girl mentioned it. ) Try it with some of the spicey "green sauce" which they say they make from lettuce.
Also good with it is Chicha Morada "Peruvian punch" which has cinnamon, lemon, and several other ingrediants.
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| Makondo99
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| "Re(3):Latino" , posted Sat 26 Apr 20:49
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I don't consider "latino" an ethnic group. It is forcing together many ethnic groups spread over half the world in to one. Portuguese speakers from Brazil might be one ethnic group, Tagalong speakers from a Pacific island are another ethnic group. Yet here they both are forced together into "latino".
well, i put that it was an ethnicity because here in the US it is considered to be one. doesn't mean that i agree with it.
right, I also don't agree with it. (:
Although the idea of grouping all the people who live in America (North and South) as Americans may sound sensible, due to the current state of things it is imposible. Somehow, Americans just refers to people who live in North America. I realised this when I went abroad and people started calling me Hispanic, Latino or Sudaca (a word that I find quite rude). It was a bit peculiar at first, but then I accepted it as an overgeneralisation of sorts. I mean, it was lucky to find anyone who knew that Chile was a country to begin with. Most people would judge me as "latino => Mexican" (and then they would receive a quick lesson on geography courtesy of yours truly).
This "overgeneralisation" of things isn't particular of America though. For example, in Chile all people who have Asian features will be called a Chino (Chinese). It doesn't matter if the person comes from Japan, Korea, Malasya, etc. and explains his/her roots. They would invariably be called Chinos.
Issues of racism or prejudice are not particular of America too. A lot of people I know would complain and refuse to be grouped together with Peruvians or Bolivians under the blanket term "Latino". Accordingly, they would never picture a gringo (a word used to refer to people from America) who is black. It is funny and sad at the same time, isn't it?
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| Gen 1520th Post
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| "Re(4):Latino" , posted Sat 26 Apr 20:55:
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I don't consider "latino" an ethnic group. It is forcing together many ethnic groups spread over half the world in to one. Portuguese speakers from Brazil might be one ethnic group, Tagalong speakers from a Pacific island are another ethnic group. Yet here they both are forced together into "latino".
well, i put that it was an ethnicity because here in the US it is considered to be one. doesn't mean that i agree with it.
right, I also don't agree with it. (:
Although the idea of grouping all the people who live in America (North and South) as Americans may sound sensible, due to the current state of things it is imposible. Somehow,
I was refering to what I see as a problem in the U.S., and when I say grouping people into Americans, I meant in terms of imigrants to U.S.. So I was just making a point - as long as their is going to be pushing of immigrants into a group, instead of the group being Latino, how about U.S.American.
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Americans just refers to people who live in North America. I realised this when I went abroad and people started calling me Hispanic, Latino or Sudaca (a word that I find quite rude). It was a bit peculiar at first, but then I accepted it as an overgeneralisation of sorts. I mean, it was lucky to find anyone who knew that Chile was a country to begin with. Most people would judge me as "latino => Mexican" (and then they would receive a quick lesson on geography courtesy of yours truly).
This "overgeneralisation" of things isn't particular of America though. For example, in Chile all people who have Asian features will be called a Chino (Chinese). It doesn't matter if the person comes from Japan, Korea, Malasya, etc. and explains his/her roots. They would invariably be called Chinos.
Issues of racism or prejudice are not particular of America too. A lot of people I know would complain and refuse to be grouped together with Peruvians or Bolivians under the blanket term "Latino". Accordingly, they would never picture a gringo (a word used to refer to people from America) who is black. It is funny and sad at the same time, isn't it?
ah interesting.
What is the literal meaning of gringo by the way?
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| Mosquiton 722th Post
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| "grouper!" , posted Sun 27 Apr 10:08
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Ahhh Latino identification, well Latino is generally used to describe anyone who comes from Latin America/South America. Or those whose visage associated with people with Latino features that speaks spanish. (I have a mixed brother that gets mistaken for latino all the time due to his hair texture and color)
If someone is ignorant about "where" you come from in Latin America let them know. If it's that important to you. It's as simple as that. Most Americans aren't to hot on geography and much less other cultures. When people get into discussions about ethnicity or the like with you, they aren't going to magically know what you are. So we use the term latino, simple as that. It's kind of like calling someone asian, meaning from someplace in Asia.
I don't see what you're so upset about. If your culture/ethnicity/race isn't bloody obvious then people will probably make guesses. If it's important to you then just correct them. Or do you dislike the idea that they identify you from where you come from? If they didn't say "latino", they'd think latino anyway if you "act/look latino" (ie. speak spanish blah blah blah)
I'm kind of prone to agree here. I don't think it's fair for so many different ethnic groups to be lumped together under "latino", but it's just as fair as "white".
Hanging onto your heritage is something you have to do yourself. I'm easily classified as a white guy by general appearance... but I have Cherokee, German, Irish, English, and who knows what other kind of ancestry. But I don't really identify with any one group, country, or culture, so I try to soak up anything I find interesting or cool. I'v learned some Spanish/German/Japanese, watch Chinese/ Indian/Inuit movies, eat different foods, studied Taoism and Buddhism, took an African American seminar and literature class, East Asian film class...
But if it's important to you to stay close to your roots, you'll have to excuse/inform people who don't immediately understand your identity and ignore the people who are assholes about it.
Personally I try to be as neutral as possible when meeting someone, and to not assume anything by appearance. We're all human beings after all. Not that I don't wonder where someone is from if they have an accent, if I ask I'm certainly not trying to offend. I might comment on a unique piece of clothing or hairstyle if I like it, but I'm not trying to make anyone uncomfortable.
I guess I consider myself North American, having lived in the US or Canada my whole life, but it's not some huge source of pride or identity. Not that I don't really appreciate what I have and feel happy when Canada wins olympic hockey.
Pretty sure this is way off topic, but it seemed like an interesting thread.
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| Hagen de Merak 433th Post
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| "Re(1):grouper!" , posted Sun 27 Apr 13:19
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I'm kind of prone to agree here. I don't think it's fair for so many different ethnic groups to be lumped together under "latino", but it's just as fair as "white".
hmm, i disagree, you see "white" (besides an ethnic group) is also considered a race group, but latino isnt. A latino can be white,black, asian, whatever, since almost every country in latin america has a heterogeneous society (cept maybe chile and argentina, correct me if im wrong).
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| Makondo99
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| "Re(2):grouper!" , posted Sun 27 Apr 16:04
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I was refering to what I see as a problem in the U.S., and when I say grouping people into Americans, I meant in terms of imigrants to U.S.. So I was just making a point - as long as their is going to be pushing of immigrants into a group, instead of the group being Latino, how about U.S.American.
Oh, I see your point. But would it be feasible to group all people into this big group? Would sub-groups (let's asign them some colours: Whites, Reds, Blacks, Yellows, etc.) agree to be classified/ranked as equals? Indeed, would they ACTUALLY be treated as equals? I don't think so.
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ah interesting.
What is the literal meaning of gringo by the way?
I heard the same tale that Undead Fred told you about. It was related to Mexicans shouting at Americans troops who wore green clothes "Green go home!" (or something like that). Later, it was shortened to "Green go!" and then "Gringo". Here there is an article on the issue (in Spanish).
Time Mage
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Where have you been called "sudaca"? In Spain? That's pretty offensive here... Although I'm not surprised that you've been called that. There are a surprisingly high quantity of xenophoby in Spain.
A Spaniard call me that way once, but it was in England. We were calling each other by offensive nicknames down in a pub. I think he hit me with that word after I called him "Gallego" or something like that. Blame the pints.
UnCauzi
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If someone is ignorant about "where" you come from in Latin America let them know. If it's that important to you. It's as simple as that. Most Americans aren't to hot on geography and much less other cultures. When people get into discussions about ethnicity or the like with you, they aren't going to magically know what you are. So we use the term latino, simple as that. It's kind of like calling someone asian, meaning from someplace in Asia.
It is important to me. Still, most of the time I don't take that "ignorance" you talk about as ill-intentioned. It depends on the context.
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I don't see what you're so upset about. If your culture/ethnicity/race isn't bloody obvious then people will probably make guesses. If it's important to you then just correct them. Or do you dislike the idea that they identify you from where you come from? If they didn't say "latino", they'd think latino anyway if you "act/look latino" (ie. speak spanish blah blah blah)
I'm not upset at all. Are you refering to me or other member?
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You could always hang a flag on your rear view mirror, some people seem to think that works :P
Hey! It is MY rear view mirror and I can stick to it whatever I want. So shut up :p
Mosquiton
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I'm kind of prone to agree here. I don't think it's fair for so many different ethnic groups to be lumped together under "latino", but it's just as fair as "white"...
...Pretty sure this is way off topic, but it seemed like an interesting thread.
Indeed.
Hagen de Merak
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hmm, i disagree, you see "white" (besides an ethnic group) is also considered a race group, but latino isnt. A latino can be white,black, asian, whatever, since almost every country in latin america has a heterogeneous society (cept maybe chile and argentina, correct me if im wrong).
Hum, what do you mean by an "heterogeneous society"?
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| UnCauzi
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| "Re(3):grouper!" , posted Mon 28 Apr 10:39:
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I was refering to what I see as a problem in the U.S., and when I say grouping people into Americans, I meant in terms of imigrants to U.S.. So I was just making a point - as long as their is going to be pushing of immigrants into a group, instead of the group being Latino, how about U.S.American.
Oh, I see your point. But would it be feasible to group all people into this big group? Would sub-groups (let's asign them some colours: Whites, Reds, Blacks, Yellows, etc.) agree to be classified/ranked as equals? Indeed, would they ACTUALLY be treated as equals? I don't think so.
ah interesting.
What is the literal meaning of gringo by the way?
I heard the same tale that Undead Fred told you about. It was related to Mexicans shouting at Americans troops who wore green clothes "Green go home!" (or something like that). Later, it was shortened to "Green go!" and then "Gringo". Here there is an article on the issue (in Spanish).
Time Mage
Where have you been called "sudaca"? In Spain? That's pretty offensive here... Although I'm not surprised that you've been called that. There are a surprisingly high quantity of xenophoby in Spain.
A Spaniard call me that way once, but it was in England. We were calling each other by offensive nicknames down in a pub. I think he hit me with that word after I called him "Gallego" or something like that. Blame the pints.
UnCauzi
If someone is ignorant about "where" you come from in Latin America let them know. If it's that important to you. It's as simple as that. Most Americans aren't to hot on geography and much less other cultures. When people get into discussions about ethnicity or the like with you, they aren't going to magically know what you are. So we use the term latino, simple as that. It's kind of like calling someone asian, meaning from someplace in Asia.
It is important to me. Still, most of the time I don't take that "ignorance" you talk about as ill-intentioned. It depends on the context.
I don't see what you're so upset about. If your culture/ethnicity/race isn't bloody obvious then people will probably make guesses. If it's important to you then just correct them. Or do you dislike the idea that they identify you from where you come from? If they didn't say "latino", they'd think latino anyway if you "act/look latino" (ie. speak spanish blah blah blah)
I'm not upset at all. Are you refering to me or other member?
You could always hang a flag on your rear view mirror, some people seem to think that works :P
Hey! It is MY rear view mirror and I can stick to it whatever I want. So shut up :p
Mosquiton
I'm kind of prone to agree here. I don't think it's fair for so many different ethnic groups to be lumped together under "latino", but it's just as fair as "white"...
...Pretty sure this is way off topic, but it seemed like an interesting thread.
Indeed.
Hagen de Merak
hmm, i disagree, you see "white" (besides an ethnic group) is also considered a race group, but latino isnt. A latino can be white,black, asian, whatever, since almost every country in latin america has a heterogeneous society (cept maybe chile and argentina, correct me if im wrong).
Hum, what do you mean by an "heterogeneous society"?
Ahhhh, well most stereotypes and generalizations are things we're all going to have to live with until people become more educated and more people "intermingle" with one another.
Until then lots of people will assume 10 things about me just because I walk the door since I'm black. I can live with it, in fact I have to. All I can hope for is that with each person I get to speak with I open their eyes a little wider.
Hell until 3 years ago every Asian I saw was Chinese ;)
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| Makondo99
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| "Re(4):grouper!" , posted Mon 28 Apr 17:58
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Hum, what do you mean by an "heterogeneous society"?
what i mean is, racial diversity. an example of a homogeneous society would be japan, the great majority people are asian. But in most countries in latin america its a heterogeneous society. people can be pretty much of any race, or a mixture of any combination. Like i stated in my previous post, the exceptions might be chile and argentina, but like i said, correct me if im wrong.
Well, I don't know if Japan could be considered a "homogeneous society" -I'd ask Rugal or other member who's keen on Japanese issues and whose name I don't recall now- Regarding Argentina, Rid may help you with that. Now, Chile... mmmm, you know, it's difficult to give a definitive answer since the topic can be approached in many ways. I'd go with that we are a "heterogenous society". There's the Rapa Nui people in Easter Island, the German colonies in the South, the influence of natives, etc. etc. But that's only my opinion. Toxico and the other Chileans in the board may have quite an opposite view on the subject, of course ;)
...Silver!
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