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| Satoshi_Miwa 2049th Post
 
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|  "Re(3):Is Macross Zero coming stateside?"
, posted Tue 25 Mar 22:36:
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From what I've heard, the chances of it coming are very slim, as there is a new Robotech cartoon coming out called Robotech Zero and Harmony Gold or who ever owns the rights to that monstrosity known as Robotech probably won't allow it's release stateside.
On the topic of Macorss Zero, the next episode should be out soon, right?
Actually Harmony Gold won't stop a Macross release from coming out, as they've allowed Macross 2, Plus, and the orginal SFD-Macross to hit the US. They're just very, very, very, evil about collecting on licensing fees for the trademarks they control, thus making Macross Zero a costly pick up for any company (In Addition to normal licensing fees).
It's one of the reasons Macross 7 hasn't come over (That and music rights, and the mixed opinion fans have on it). I can see a company taking a risk on Zero, though, just cause it has Roy Fokker in it...
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| Satoshi_Miwa 2050th Post
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| "Re(4):Is Macross Zero coming stateside?" , posted Tue 25 Mar 22:59:
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Aauuuuuugh! No Robotech! Macross! *shoots the people who ingeniously spliced The Macross series and it's spinoffs into "Robotech"*
They didn't have much choice at the time, though. They either mixed the three togther, or they would not of been syndicated. Back in 1984 you needed to have 70+ shows to get timeslots for cartoons, and Macross would of died a painfull death.
Actually, given the time frame and circumstances, Robotech is actualy a pretty decent dub job. They managed to get it on TV while keeping most of the serious messages and themes intact (including Claudia and Roy), and not have descend into a gag animation.
So yeah, while Robotech is a bad dubbing job (and I'd never willingly watch an episode today...:), consider that they had no Cartoon Network back then. Consider that anime was pretty well unknown back then, and consider that kids TV was much more conservative.
And think, that no matter how horrid the job was it could of been much worse. They could of added 7-Zark-7 like they did for Gatchaman/Battle of the Planets...
Now, if we were to talk about HG handling of Robotech/Macross these days, then I'd let go with some really good flames (Ones they really do deserve...).
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| Dash no Chris
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| "Re(6):Is Macross Zero coming stateside?" , posted Wed 26 Mar 05:13
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Um, excuse my ignorance, but what's the deal with Macross/Robotech? I have no knowledge of this anime but I am wondering why it's so 'hated'.
In order to have the minimum 65 episodes necessary to put a weekday TV show on the air, Carl Macek and Harmony Gold combined 3 Japanese anime series into one show. Choujikuu Yousai Macross, Choujikuu Kidan Southern Cross, and Kikou Souseiki Mospeada (aka Super Dimension Fortress Macross, Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross, and Genesis Climber Mospeada) became the 3 story arcs of Robotech: the so-called Robotech: The Macross Saga, Robotech: The Robotech Masters, and Robotech: The Third Generation). Each show was heavily edited in the process of combining them into one series: characters names were changed across the board (causing Macross' cast to lose most of its original multinational flavor), plotlines and plot devices were greatly altered (Protoculture, originally a term for the ancient civilization that created the Zentraedi and human races, became a term for the energy used to power "robotechnology" in the U.S. adaptation, etc. Several years ago, the 3 Robotech arcs were re-released on video as The Robotech Perfect Collection. Each volume provided 2 episodes of the original Japanese program (with English subtitles), and the corresponding Robotech episodes (dubbed in English) -- this presentation style is currently being used for the Region-1 DVD release of Kagaku Ninjatai Gatchaman (each vol. has several eps of Science Ninja Team Gatchaman and the corresponding eps of the U.S. adaptation, Battle of the Planets). While The Robotech Perfect Collection was never completed (only 7 or 8 vols of each series/arc were released, covering only the first 14 or 16 eps of each series/arc), it did accomplish 2 things: (1) it finally gave the majority of Robotech fans the opportunity to see what the 3 arcs were like in their original form, and (2) it allowed everyone to easily see just how much editing Harmony Gold had done. The sequence of events in many episodes is entirely convoluted compared to the original Japanese eps, with scenes being moved from the beginning of an ep to the end or from the end to the middle, seemingly on a whim, with dialogue creatively rewritten to smooth over the rearranged scenes into something that seemed to still seemed to flow properly. The amount of dialogue that was added to the U.S. adaptation was also made painfully apparent -- it seems Harmony Gold felt that American kids didn't have the mental faculties to watch a cartoon for 2 minutes without someone explaining to them what they were seeing, because they crammed in plenty of extra expository dialogue or voiceover narratives that were never in the original Japanese versions. To top it all off, the voice acting was unbearably awful, and Minmay's singing (one of the most popular aspects of the Japanese Macross series) became a nightmare when rerecorded in English. Harmony Gold even used music from projects other than the 3 licensed series. Robotech's opening credit sequence (cobbled together out of scenes from all 3 series) used a piece of music that originally came from Juusenki L-Gaim (aka, Heavy Metal L-Gaim) -- it's the music that played whenever L-Gaim's main character would combine his hoverbike with the head of the L-Gaim in order to pilot the robot.
I'll admit that when I watched the original broadcast of Robotech at age 12, I was impressed (face it -- the U.S. really hadn't seen too many cartoon shows with such long-running, cast-heavy storylines). Eventually, I was able to watch the original versions of Macross, Southern Cross, and Mospeada, and learned what Harmony Gold had done to the 3 shows in order to produce Robotech. Preferring the original storylines to the U.S. bastardized hybrid -- and realizing just how bad the English voice cast was -- I came to intensely dislike Robotech. This also has much to do with Robotech's continued popularity. I understand that this series was the "anime baptism" for many current anime fans, as Battle of the Planets and Starblazers (the U.S. adaptations of Kagaku Ninjatai Gatchaman and Uchuu Senkan Yamato) were for the previous generation (both of these shows were guilty of about the same amount of editing as Robotech). But Robotech fandom has outstripped both of those series, staying strong for some 20 years, with almost innumerable comic book and novel sequels in publication. After being exposed to the 3 series in their original forms, I simply cannot convince my brain to understand how anyone could prefer the U.S. adaptation -- it is, to me, inferior in every conceivable way.
Phew -- I've got to get ready for work.
--Chris
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