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| RugalBernstein 3687th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):About DBS and Samurai Shodown 64 ..."
, posted Sat 22 Mar 17:34:
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Okay,just two little questions :
1) Does anyone here know SS64 Hanma Yagyu's story ? Is he related to Jubei ? Why is he fighting ?
Tetsuban Hanma is a member of the Yagyu clan, and works under Jubei. I don't think he's blood related, though; the " Yagyu " is indicative of his clan, his actual given name is Tetsuban Hanma. He's an inventor, and built Karakuri Hanma, his robot from Asura Zanmaden.
In Samurai Tamashii, he's just finished building a new clock tower in Edo, which is his " life's work ". Not entirely sure why he gets involved, except that Jubei tells him to (Jubei is tied up in governmental affairs) He was probably just supposed to investigate the recent disappearances of townsfolk (The Deku have been killing them to get blood for Yuga's revival... meanwhile Shiki is trying to kill Haohmaru to prevent him from interfering)
In Samurai Tamashii, his rasetsu form discards his cannon glove and uses a " heat glove " instead. Seen the computer do some cool stuff with him (uppercut you in to the air, then punch you in to the air again, then punch you away) but I can't figure any of them out. Has a snazzy " choke and carry " move; it's hella fun. People can break out of it, but it's fun to try and throw them off the side of his stage. :D
In Asura Zanmaden, he's built a robot, the aforementioned Karakuri Hanma, to help him out. Once again, he's acting under orders for Jubei, this time in order to rescue some girl Hanmen no Asura kidnapped to sacrifice, but she's already dead. :(
For the record, he always smiles because he doesn't believe in showing negative emotion. Amazingly, he's married, too.
He and Karakuri Hanma, which is his " rasetsu " mode in Asura Zanmaden ( no more heat glove version of Hanma, and Karakuri has a different name, voice, look, and play style; same with the fake Shiki and Asura) are two of my favorite characters to use, actually; Karakuri's " teeth catching " counter is great. :D
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| RugalBernstein 3693th Post
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| "Re(5):Thank you !!" , posted Sun 23 Mar 10:14:
I know the full super, I was going to offer to tell it to him if he didn't know it. -_- I know the guy who wrote that FAQ, actually; Charlie Mehdi. He didn't complete it, because he ran out of time, and he really really hates Nakoruru and Rimururu.
I'm not a big fan of them, either, but I've been meaning to write an FAQ detailing just them so their full move list would be available.
You probably should use his super, I highly recommend it, and if you don't know how to power up moves, well, when your ikari meter is at full, do the move but use both slash buttons instead; as a suggestion with Hanma, do his " hcb + C " button with both slash buttons when your power is at max for a real treat. :D You probably noticed, too, but if you do his spank throw from behind the opponent, he doesn't spank them, but does the yama-arashi instead; this is VERY VERY strong, so try and use it. ^_^
Unrelated, but useful: Ukyo's super can be done in the air, too; ONLY do it in the air, it's way too easy to see coming from the ground, whereas the air version is instant.
Anyway, Oroch is right, Nakoruru can come back any time she pleases. She became a" nature spirit", but can still manifest physical form. She was split in to two when she became a nature spirit, though (the " evil " half is the purple Nako) which more or less proves 3 and 4 happened after 2 (not to mention Rimururu's younger in 2 and Charlotte's haircut) but this isn't important right now. Nakoruru is ever the "avenger of justice", I never use her, so I'm not 100% sure of her story... I know she ran off, though, and that Rimururu and Galford are trying to find her.
I DO know Yuga destroys Kamui Kotan in Asura Zanmaden, though, which is one reason Nakoruru wants to re-banish him in that one. I believe in Samurai Tamashii, Nakoruru sensed a great evil was going to come to this world; Yuga then contacted her mentally and threatened her not to get involved, and then blew her house up or something, so of course, like the fool she is, she feels obligated to try and stop his revival. (she fails, Yuga defeats Haohmaru in Samurai Tamashii)
As for Sougetsu and Kazuki, in Samurai Tamashii, as far as I know, Sougetsu is still just after Kazuki in an effort to kill him for running out on their clan (Sougetsu cannot return until he does this).
In Asura Zanmaden, Kazuki is being possessed by the god of fire, whose name I forget, so in an effort to keep up with his power, Sougetsu sells his soul to the god of water, suija. They aren't particularly concerned with the fact Yuga is going to make " all of humanity suffer " (actually, Kazuki might be) they're more concerned with killing each other. Ha ha ha ha, you got wanting to make more Samurai Tamashii and Asura Zanmaden vids. :D
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| Just a Person 548th Post
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| "Re(6):Thank you again !!" , posted Sun 23 Mar 14:37
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I know the full super, I was going to offer to tell it to him if he didn't know it. -_- I know the guy who wrote that FAQ, actually; Charlie Mehdi. He didn't complete it, because he ran out of time, and he really really hates Nakoruru and Rimururu.
I'm not a big fan of them, either, but I've been meaning to write an FAQ detailing just them so their full move list would be available.
You probably should use his super, I highly recommend it, and if you don't know how to power up moves, well, when your ikari meter is at full, do the move but use both slash buttons instead; as a suggestion with Hanma, do his " hcb + C " button with both slash buttons when your power is at max for a real treat. :D You probably noticed, too, but if you do his spank throw from behind the opponent, he doesn't spank them, but does the yama-arashi instead; this is VERY VERY strong, so try and use it. ^_^
Unrelated, but useful: Ukyo's super can be done in the air, too; ONLY do it in the air, it's way too easy to see coming from the ground, whereas the air version is instant.
Anyway, Oroch is right, Nakoruru can come back any time she pleases. She became a" nature spirit", but can still manifest physical form. She was split in to two when she became a nature spirit, though (the " evil " half is the purple Nako) which more or less proves 3 and 4 happened after 2 (not to mention Rimururu's younger in 2 and Charlotte's haircut) but this isn't important right now. Nakoruru is ever the "avenger of justice", I never use her, so I'm not 100% sure of her story... I know she ran off, though, and that Rimururu and Galford are trying to find her.
I DO know Yuga destroys Kamui Kotan in Asura Zanmaden, though, which is one reason Nakoruru wants to re-banish him in that one. I believe in Samurai Tamashii, Nakoruru sensed a great evil was going to come to this world; Yuga then contacted her mentally and threatened her not to get involved, and then blew her house up or something, so of course, like the fool she is, she feels obligated to try and stop his revival. (she fails, Yuga defeats Haohmaru in Samurai Tamashii)
As for Sougetsu and Kazuki, in Samurai Tamashii, as far as I know, Sougetsu is still just after Kazuki in an effort to kill him for running out on their clan (Sougetsu cannot return until he does this).
In Asura Zanmaden, Kazuki is being possessed by the god of fire, whose name I forget, so in an effort to keep up with his power, Sougetsu sells his soul to the god of water, suija. They aren't particularly concerned with the fact Yuga is going to make " all of humanity suffer " (actually, Kazuki might be) they're more concerned with killing each other. Ha ha ha ha, you got wanting to make more Samurai Tamashii and Asura Zanmaden vids. :D
Again, as a standard advertisement, check my older vids here. :D
Vids!
http://www.insertcredit.com/features/rugal/index.html
Thank you again !! ^^
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| Toxico 2800th Post
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|  "Re(2):Koji-who?"
, posted Mon 24 Mar 08:40:
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Not to sound like Mr Inquisitive here, but who were Kojiro?
Sasaki Kojiro. He was Musashi's rival-guy, and wields this pretty long sword (6 feet?). They had a duel, and, using a boat oar, Musashi killed Kojiro with a blow to the head.
For what I know, the duel was indeed settled with one fierece strike to Kojiroh's head; the first and the last strike. I read a book about it, and even though the duel was settled with one blow and lasted like 2 minutes the book still said that THAT was one of the harderst battles of Musashi... Surely finding an openning was though, exploy it was another issue...
As mentioned, Tachibana Ukyo ("2P SS") is based on that guy, there is also another character of Samurai Showdow that is based on Kojiroh... I can't recall now.
Kojiroh was also "used" on Last Blade PS version, Last Blade 2, Raijin samurai Yaiba Kurogane, Musashi Ganryu and so many other productions...
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Anyway, I heard that the Kenshin story was somehow influenced by the legends of them great swordsmen. If I remember correctly, there are four of them... now, counting Musashi, Kojiro, and Jubei, who'd be the fourth?
I thought that Makoto Shishio was also "real" (inspited on someone), in fact I have been told that the whole thing of an underground group trying to destroy the meiji was based on a real rebeleon... But that info is not reliable, could someone confirm?? Where are the japanese population of the board now???
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| Rugalbernstein 3697th Post
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| "Re(4):Jubei Yagyu" , posted Mon 24 Mar 10:54:
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Yagyu also killed Musashi.
Huh? Most biographies I've seen of Musashi state that after he was appointed to a few different official positions Musashi went on to finish writing the Book of Five Rings and died peacefully and anti-climatically in a cave at the age of 61.
You are correct, a moment of confusion going on there. 0_o
Yes, the shinsengumi were a real group, Toxico. They attempted to resist the banning of the samurai class during the meiji restoration, but were defeated.
Edit: And no, Treepull, Genjuro (the "second player") isn't based on Kojirou. He's completely made up. Ukyo was Haohmaru's original rival in SS 1, but they dropped that whole thing and gave him Genjuro instead. BTW, kind of unrelated, but Haohmaru is not the hero of Asura Zanmaden, Asura and Shiki are. Haohmaru is in fact evil in this game (Yuga defeated him in Samurai Tamashii and enslaved him) He's cured in the ending, though.
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| RugalBernstein 3704th Post
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| "Re(6):Jubei Yagyu" , posted Tue 25 Mar 10:16
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Rugal:
Can you point me to a FAQ or something for the story in the 3D SS's? Since I've only played the PSX one, I'm quite confused on the subject.
No, I cannot. I know most of the character's stories, anyway, though, considering I happen to have an HNG board sitting on the treadmill behind me. ;D There is a definate " overall " story, though; it revolves mostly around Shiki, Asura, and Haohmaru. The PS game is more or less unrelated, anyway; it was made by a different team, plays differently, and has SERIOUS plot issues with, well, all the other SS games ( it also has much worse graphics, but this doesn't really matter) Also, remember, there are 2 SS games for the HNG 64, Samurai Tamashii and Asura Zanmaden; the PS game is completely unique to the PS.
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So, Haohmaru sets out to defeat Yuga in SS64 (Samurai Tamashi?), but is defeated and made to work for him (which explains why he's a sub boss in SS2! for NGPC)?
He's also one of the mid bosses in Asura Zanmaden (along with Hainin to Narishi Shiki, Hanmen no Asura, and for serious punishment, Gandara) Howver, in Asura Zanmaden, you only ever fight rasetsu Haohmaru. Shura Haohmaru, who looks and plays like the " normal " Haohmaru, is more or less an extra in the game; you never fight him in single player. The NGP Samurai Spirits is a " cutesy " toned-down version of Asura Zanmaden ( although it DOES have Jubei and Charlotte, who aren't in the actual game..)
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Genjuro still hunts for Haohmaru's head?
Yep, of course. He's actually trying to CURE Haohmaru in Asura Zanmaden, though; he wants to fight the " true Haohmaru ", not this strange "enslaved freak".
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Nakoruru, Galford and Rimururu still out to defeat evil?
Yep, that's about it, really. Yuga is evil, he/she destroyed Edo, Kamui Kotan, various villages, and plans to punish the whole world when he/she is back up to full power (never gets there, of course.)
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Didn't Hanzo get his son back? And do you know if "Hanzo" of Warrior's Rage 2 is actually Shinzo?
No, he did not. Hanzo is simply here to try and stop Yuga's revival and cover up the "facts" about the case (the public would probably panic if they knew an ancient god was going to destroy the world, no?)
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Ukyo still looking for a cure (he's had the TBC for at least two years by then)?
Yes, and he's finally cured. ^_^
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So Kazuki and Sogetsu hunt each other in SS64, and are then turned into "gods" in WR?
Again, there are two SS 64 games. In the first one, Samurai Tamashii, Sougetsu is just still hunting Kazuki, who I think opts to try and stop Yuga for generic reasons (I don't really care for the characters...)
In the second one, Asura Zanmaden (people keep calling it Warrior's Rage, but that isn't right, that's the PS game, no?) yes, Kazuki has gained the attention of the god of fire, and is being possessed, so Sougetsu sells his soul in an effort to stay as powerful as Kazuki.
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Hanma is an inventor in SS64 - and in WR his "second form" is a robot he built?
Correct. In Samurai Tamashii, his second form i just him wearing a different glove (normally he has a "cannon glove" on, his rasetsu has him wearing some sort of heat glove)
In Asura Zanmaden, the heat glove version is gone, replaced by his robot pal, Karakuri Hanma.
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What is Shiki doing in SS64? And Gandara and Deku?
Okay, long one. In Samurai Tamashii, Shiki is trying to kill Haohmaru by Yuga's order (she was originally a slave of Yuga's; she's half human, BTW) but she fails. BetFearing for her life, she flees, but Yuga sends Asura after her(the Asura in black, the fruity Asura is Hanmen no Asura, who is somebody else entirely). Asura ends up falling madly in love with Shiki, and gets her pregnant (the whole "following" and love story happens between Samurai Tamashii and Asura Zanmaden) Yuga, who is enraged about losing two of his best slaves, makes copies of them who are completely loyal; these are Hainin to Narishi Shiki and Hanmen no Asura ("copy" being loosely applied to them, they don't look, sound, act, or play anything like the real deal; as was stated, they even have different names) Asura realizes Shiki and his unborn child will never be free of Yuga's wrath so long as Yuga still is present in our world, so he sets out to banish Yuga again. Shiki follows him, but isn't able to save him, and he dies after re-banishing Yuga (Yuga cannot die, and she threatens to return, of course). Shiki is pretty upset about this whole thing, and ends up giving her baby to the now cured Haohmaru, but she promises to visit regularly (she's going back to being a wandering fortune teller)
Gandara is a big fucking ugly monster. There are actually two of them (and in fact many more, Yuga has a whole army of the bloody things along with a selection of other uglies), the one in Samurai Tamashii is just an old one Yuga had left over from before; the one in Asura Zanmaden is actually Taizan's dead baby son (did I mention Yuga turns dead babies in to monsters?)
The Deku were just the unfortunate fools who set Yuga free; they look pretty freaky, but they're really kind of lazy characters; the male Deku has two of Haohmaru's moves (the senpuuretsuzan and the resshinzan) along eith some of his own new moves (a massive attack where his sword grows huge, for example). The female Deku has two of Shiki's moves, the kekkafusa and the low dashing one of which I have forgotten the name... plus some new stuff, as well ( and an EXTREMELY ANNOYING super...). Haohmaru crushes them pretty easily, and they then kill themselves so Yuga can form a nice body for a bit (Yuga needs blood to manifest him/herself)
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Only Taizan is new to WR, right?
If you mean Asura Zanmaden, nope, Asura was new, too; he isn't in Samurai Tamashii. Also, about 90% of the character's rasetsu forms were completely redone; Some, like Karakuri Hanma, Hainin to Narishi Shiki, and Hanmen no Asura are so different they can be considered new characters (and they are, anyway, the announcer even gives them different names and all.)
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I'd really like to try this game, but shelling out for a NG64 cabinet is a bit too much...
Whew, long post. You don't need to shell out for an HNG 64 cab. Buy some form of supergun, it's much more economical and space friendly. An actual HNG board isn't that much, then, and besides that, you can buy and play ANY arcade game on a super gun. :D Many are very cheap, too. ^_^
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| RugalBernstein 3711th Post
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| "Re(8):Jubei Yagyu" , posted Wed 26 Mar 17:18:
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Ukyo was cured? How did that happen? Heh, you noted there isn't a FAQ out there explaining all the kooky plot twists in those two little seen SS fighting games but I'm beginning to think there should be just so the rest of us can get up to speed on everything we missed.
Oh, he was out looking for rare flowers yet again, and just kind of got caught up in the whole Yuga incident; they make you think he dies, but then he wakes up in a house with a mysterious old man, and he feels fine. Turns out this old codger knew a secret cure for tuberculosis made out of the flower Ukyo was carrying, or something. His ending goes a little too fast for me, it's kind of hard to understand...
And yes, Toxico is right; the Playstation game has some great whopping errors and contradictions with pretty much all the other SS games. These range from tiny things to spanking great big ones, like Hanzo's son still living and Shiki's black haired baby son growing up to become a white haired girl.
Edit: As for the U.S./European version of Asura Zanmaden being called "Warrior's Rage" and the PS game being called Warrior's Rage 2, I have no knowledge on this, but it's probably right. What was Samurai Tamashii called, then?
I prefer to distance Samurai Tamashii and Asura Zanmaden from the PS game by any means possible, anyway. :D
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