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| Time Mage 1231th Post
 
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|  "Cowboy Bebop. BEST. ANIME. EVER."
, posted Mon 17 Feb 04:41
First, this thread is mainly for people who has seen the series, so I won't even mark the spoilers, the full post is a spoiler itself.
Second, sorry Rugal for interfering in your thread. This way is much better.
Third... WOW, what an ending! I knew that was the only possible ending, but even knowing that, it left me so sad... Spike is one of the best, if not the best main characters in an anime, and I'll miss him (even when I'm not going to see him again, he's dead for me, and that's sad...), but at last, he will be with Julia... in heaven or hell, who knows...
The other characters are nearly as good. Faye, well, her story is so sad, and so different from Spike. All Spike had was his past, and all Faye has is her future, she has nothing nor nobody to wait her, but I think she's strong enough, and will live a good life after all. Jet... He's the one that has settled best his past, and that's the best for him, because it wasn't very good... He'll be the boss for me always. Ed & Ein... they're the "funny" couple, but not a joke. Spiced up the Bebop, without destroying the mood of the series. What will be of them now? I don't know, but I wish them the best. And for Vicious... I wish he burns in HELL!!! A totally hateable villian. I was somewhat bored of two sided villians, who you didn't know if hate or love. Vicious is totally hateable, but with personality.
Porcellino: I have a good share of CB music, and I'm increasing it every day it passes. And for the spanish dub, it was very good, specially the main cast. The Woody Allen dub actor makes a good Spike, but of course next time I see the series, I'll se it in japanese. Althugh I have to say that I've heard some, and Megumi Hayashibara does not Faye as good as other characters, in my opinion.
ah, y si, tenemos Shinchan, pero todavía no lo he visto.. Está bien?
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| HazZan 1062th Post
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| "Re(1):Cowboy Bebop. BEST. ANIME. EVER." , posted Mon 17 Feb 05:17
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First, this thread is mainly for people who has seen the series, so I won't even mark the spoilers, the full post is a spoiler itself.
Second, sorry Rugal for interfering in your thread. This way is much better.
Third... WOW, what an ending! I knew that was the only possible ending, but even knowing that, it left me so sad... Spike is one of the best, if not the best main characters in an anime, and I'll miss him (even when I'm not going to see him again, he's dead for me, and that's sad...), but at last, he will be with Julia... in heaven or hell, who knows...
The other characters are nearly as good. Faye, well, her story is so sad, and so different from Spike. All Spike had was his past, and all Faye has is her future, she has nothing nor nobody to wait her, but I think she's strong enough, and will live a good life after all. Jet... He's the one that has settled best his past, and that's the best for him, because it wasn't very good... He'll be the boss for me always. Ed & Ein... they're the "funny" couple, but not a joke. Spiced up the Bebop, without destroying the mood of the series. What will be of them now? I don't know, but I wish them the best. And for Vicious... I wish he burns in HELL!!! A totally hateable villian. I was somewhat bored of two sided villians, who you didn't know if hate or love. Vicious is totally hateable, but with personality.
Porcellino: I have a good share of CB music, and I'm increasing it every day it passes. And for the spanish dub, it was very good, specially the main cast. The Woody Allen dub actor makes a good Spike, but of course next time I see the series, I'll se it in japanese. Althugh I have to say that I've heard some, and Megumi Hayashibara does not Faye as good as other characters, in my opinion.
ah, y si, tenemos Shinchan, pero todavía no lo he visto.. Está bien?
I beg to differ.
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| Rid Hershel 4588th Post
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| "Faye Faye" , posted Mon 17 Feb 07:28
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Faye, well, her story is so sad, and so different from Spike. All Spike had was his past, and all Faye has is her future, she has nothing nor nobody to wait her, but I think she's strong enough, and will live a good life after all.
I don't know if she'll live easily through it, she had a hard time trusting and relying somebody, and of all her "new family" (the bebop crew), Spike was the one that she related more, almost like a brother (yeah, I don't see any romantic relation between them, oppossed to 90% of the fanfic writers trying to see everybody in love with everybody). Hopefully Jet would be able to help her.
Go Faye! (she's my favorite anime/videogame character if you didn't knew).
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| Sensenic 334th Post
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| "Bueeeeno....A ver..." , posted Mon 17 Feb 07:45
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First, this thread is mainly for people who has seen the series, so I won't even mark the spoilers, the full post is a spoiler itself.
Second, sorry Rugal for interfering in your thread. This way is much better.
Third... WOW, what an ending! I knew that was the only possible ending, but even knowing that, it left me so sad... Spike is one of the best, if not the best main characters in an anime, and I'll miss him (even when I'm not going to see him again, he's dead for me, and that's sad...), but at last, he will be with Julia... in heaven or hell, who knows...
The other characters are nearly as good. Faye, well, her story is so sad, and so different from Spike. All Spike had was his past, and all Faye has is her future, she has nothing nor nobody to wait her, but I think she's strong enough, and will live a good life after all. Jet... He's the one that has settled best his past, and that's the best for him, because it wasn't very good... He'll be the boss for me always. Ed & Ein... they're the "funny" couple, but not a joke. Spiced up the Bebop, without destroying the mood of the series. What will be of them now? I don't know, but I wish them the best. And for Vicious... I wish he burns in HELL!!! A totally hateable villian. I was somewhat bored of two sided villians, who you didn't know if hate or love. Vicious is totally hateable, but with personality.
Amazing how my opinion fits yours.... I'll only wanna say that I didn't like the ending though. I'm not saying it's bad (on the contrary), it's just me, I don't put up much well with such unhappy endings... I'm a happy (or at least happier than this one) endings whore, and I shamefully admit it....
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Porcellino: I have a good share of CB music, and I'm increasing it every day it passes. And for the spanish dub, it was very good, specially the main cast. The Woody Allen dub actor makes a good Spike, but of course next time I see the series, I'll se it in japanese. Althugh I have to say that I've heard some, and Megumi Hayashibara does not Faye as good as other characters, in my opinion.
Porcellino (I'll put it here, sorry): Sorry I haven't heard the Spanish one, but I find the catalan dub to be quite good IMO. Besides, and having heard the original, I think the catalan actor for Spike, because of their voice, is quite more appropriate than Joan Pera (aka Spanish Woody Allen  ), who's a great dubber anyway....
Nota: No zé pq he ezcrito to ezto en inglé pero güeno, azí practico.... -_-U
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ah, y si, tenemos Shinchan, pero todavía no lo he visto.. Está bien?
Mi avatar actual es
[spoilercillo]la hermana pequeña de Shin Chan, Himawari[/spoilercillo].
Con eso lo digo todo. O casi.
Básicamente es para  sin más preocupaciones, con las salidas del niño y los de su entorno. Quizá se le pueda criticar que se repiten con los chistes, pero que quieres que te diga, hace gracia. Muy buena, por aquí ha sido toda una revolución, un pequeño fenómeno social....
Por cierto, si la que tenéis es la que compró Luk Internacional (supongo que sí) faltan los TV specials con episodios importantes como el nacimiento de esa chica tan mona que está en mi av. Las películas irán llegando como con Doraemon pero + deprisa, la 1a pa verano.
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Oh, and... What's the episode 0? I knew about the Movie (está en España, o la piensan sacar?), but that episode 0...
Sobre la peli, leí en una revista, un día de pasada, que Selecta tenía la peli y la sacaría, pero ha pasado algún tiempo ya (esto fue cuando el estreno de Spiderman) así que no se.... Qué rabia me dio después no habérmelo leído mejor, pero es que empezaba la peli...
Himawari chan ain't she cute?
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| Sensenic 335th Post
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| "Re(1):What is your favourite Cowboy Bepop epi" , posted Mon 17 Feb 12:28
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.Spike is one of the best, if not the best main characters in an anime
That statement is at least as risky as the title of the thread but hmmmmmmmm Ill let it be (this time) even knowing that Chicho Terremoto / Dash Kappei is over everything on the Earth.
Best anime character ever is ME: Marco Porcellino...
From CB series I like Ed ^_^ en mi tierra natal se diría que "Tiene t'ol arte". She's the perfect contrast to Spike's bitter existence.
ah, y si, tenemos Shinchan, pero todavía no lo he visto.. Está bien?
Parece que Sensenic ya te ha respondido. ShinChan ha sido casi el nuevo Dragon Ball del noreste español. TroOoOoOoOmpa!! Escolta maca, que t´agrada el pebrot? .gif) ):)
Btw, answering to my own question:
I like VERY much two sessions:
20- Pierrot Le Fou -> Tribute to BatMan and Sci-Fi. Inmense action scenes wich are GREAT. I love this villan: a psychotic floating Penguin look-alike killing machine :D.
18-Speak like a child -> A link to the past (hehe, Zelda). Lot's of fun and sadness.
BTW, I just realized visiting this page that many CB shown at US (or maybe Jap and Euro versions too? Ill have to check) were censored :///// digitally removed blood...clothes added to the few nudes...-_- It's a crime
Larga vida to the perpetually happy free spirit EDWARD WONG HAU PEPELU TIVRUSKY IV!!
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My episodes would be Mushroom Samba (the first time it was emittec I missed it, argh! Luckily, I saw it the 2d time) and Toys in the Atic. But just because they're freakin' funny and no other reason. I love'em all.
But don't tell me they're censored  Hope they weren't...
Himawari chan ain't she cute?
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| Hungrywolf 1839th Post
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| "Re(1):What is your favourite Cowboy Bepop epi" , posted Mon 17 Feb 13:53
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.Spike is one of the best, if not the best main characters in an anime
That statement is at least as risky as the title of the thread but hmmmmmmmm Ill let it be (this time) even knowing that Chicho Terremoto / Dash Kappei is over everything on the Earth.
Best anime character ever is ME: Marco Porcellino...
From CB series I like Ed ^_^ en mi tierra natal se diría que "Tiene t'ol arte". She's the perfect contrast to Spike's bitter existence.
ah, y si, tenemos Shinchan, pero todavía no lo he visto.. Está bien?
Parece que Sensenic ya te ha respondido. ShinChan ha sido casi el nuevo Dragon Ball del noreste español. TroOoOoOoOmpa!! Escolta maca, que t´agrada el pebrot? ):)
Btw, answering to my own question:
I like VERY much two sessions:
20- Pierrot Le Fou -> Tribute to BatMan and Sci-Fi. Inmense action scenes wich are GREAT. I love this villan: a psychotic floating Penguin look-alike killing machine :D.
18-Speak like a child -> A link to the past (hehe, Zelda). Lot's of fun and sadness.
BTW, I just realized visiting this page that many CB shown at US (or maybe Jap and Euro versions too? Ill have to check) were censored :///// digitally removed blood...clothes added to the few nudes...-_- It's a crime
Larga vida to the perpetually happy free spirit EDWARD WONG HAU PEPELU TIVRUSKY IV!!
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First off, I like all the episodes a lot, I really like the ep. involving Spike and Vicious, but my favorite episode I think is Mushroom Samba. I love Ed (see av and tag  ). Anyways, of course there were edits for the television version of Bebop in the US, since there isn't nudity on basic cable (though the only nudity is a guy that has breasts) and because some curse words aren't said on cable either (well, two that I know aren't. They start with a S and a F, but the S word is the only one of the two I recall used in Bebop). Anyways, I have it all on DVD (had it before Cartoon Network ever showed it) but I think that CN did a good job when they showed it and didn't censor too much out of the series.
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| Rid Hershel 4592th Post
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| "Re(10):Cowboy Bebop. BEST. ANIME. EVER." , posted Tue 18 Feb 04:15:
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No, EVA used to have the title, but Bebop has surpassed it by a country mile. Being on Cartoon Network constantly helped with that. I hardly hear about EVA anymore, but I hear about Bebop far too often, especially considering how long it's been out in the US now.
Really you don't hear of Eva anymore? one of the latest newtypes has Eva cover, ther's a new game coming out, and the amount of merchadishing of it is growing each week, just go to any site like Kotobukiya's and you'll see. Not to mention the insane amount of Rei clones in every anime like Nadesico (I consider Ruri a better character), Vandread (well, only in the looks, short light blue hair and white tight costume), Kiddy Grade, Akihabara Denno-Gumi... Seriously, Eva is STILL way too overhyped.
Oh, and bashing a series in the a thread with a name like this is basically flaming.
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| Time Mage 1236th Post
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| "Cowboy Bebop. BEST. ANIME (series). EVER." , posted Tue 18 Feb 09:36
Wow, a lot of things to reply, let's begin:
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I tend to seperate movies and TV series when I look at my personal favorite Anime. Too many differences in the mediums to really make a fair comparsion between them...
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A very good way of going about it. I might even seperate OVAs...
Well, I agree. What I really wanted to say is that CB is the best anime series in my opinion, which probably won't be the same as everyone's else. However, I want titles to be short, so I got it wrong. Best anime movie... Dunno, maybe Totoro, or Mononoke. I haven't seen Spirited Away yet.
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On a somewhat related note, has anyone else here used CB as a launching pad to get friends/family in to anime? For some reason, I think Bebop is a great "gateway drug" to hook people on anime. As a matter of fact, my father (early 50s when he saw it) enjoyed it very much and normally loathes anime. I think CB is very disarming because it's not nearly as "Japaneezy" as most anime. (read: you don't have to know anything about Japanese culture to enjoy it... very few in-jokes... well, at least Japanese in-jokes) I'm going to stop now... this paragraph looks like shit.
I've considered to do that, but anyway, I don't care if my parents like anime or not. Some of my friends that don't like anime very much want to see it, so maybe that counts.
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You know... I love Cowboy Bebop too. But when you put it in such regards it just cheapens the whole feeling. That's how good shows end up becoming charicatures of themselves. I'm really glad it ended when it did and HOW it did because I would have been sickened to see it drag on for another season like so many other shows that try to hang on by the amiability of its characters. To me it ended on a high note and wrapped up everything without a hitch. There was no point in wanting to know what goes on with Faye or Jet or Ed afterwards because they all found what they were looking for.
Yeah, the series end at the right point, it's only that I want to imagine what have been of them after the end. I consider nearly every story in CB settled for good.
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MOST OVERRATED ANIME EVER
I agree with Freeter, Nate, Saint Rygar, Rid, etc... CB is not that overrated, Evangelion IS.
Here in Spain, after the DB boom that somewhat started all the anime & manga scene , the second most overrated is Evangelion. There were a time in which, if you didn't liked Eva, you WEREN'T an anime fan, regardless of anything else. I like the series, but I find it too trascendental (is that an english word? Too lazy to check.). In fact, I enjoy the robot & action scenes more than the "psycological" ones.
And as Rid said, Eva is still present in Japan and everywhere, but Bebop remain with pretty much the same as it had after the movie.
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| Hungrywolf 1840th Post
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| "Re(1):Cowboy Bebop. BEST. ANIME (series). EVE" , posted Tue 18 Feb 10:27
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Wow, a lot of things to reply, let's begin:
I tend to seperate movies and TV series when I look at my personal favorite Anime. Too many differences in the mediums to really make a fair comparsion between them...
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A very good way of going about it. I might even seperate OVAs...
Well, I agree. What I really wanted to say is that CB is the best anime series in my opinion, which probably won't be the same as everyone's else. However, I want titles to be short, so I got it wrong. Best anime movie... Dunno, maybe Totoro, or Mononoke. I haven't seen Spirited Away yet.
On a somewhat related note, has anyone else here used CB as a launching pad to get friends/family in to anime? For some reason, I think Bebop is a great "gateway drug" to hook people on anime. As a matter of fact, my father (early 50s when he saw it) enjoyed it very much and normally loathes anime. I think CB is very disarming because it's not nearly as "Japaneezy" as most anime. (read: you don't have to know anything about Japanese culture to enjoy it... very few in-jokes... well, at least Japanese in-jokes) I'm going to stop now... this paragraph looks like shit.
I've considered to do that, but anyway, I don't care if my parents like anime or not. Some of my friends that don't like anime very much want to see it, so maybe that counts.
You know... I love Cowboy Bebop too. But when you put it in such regards it just cheapens the whole feeling. That's how good shows end up becoming charicatures of themselves. I'm really glad it ended when it did and HOW it did because I would have been sickened to see it drag on for another season like so many other shows that try to hang on by the amiability of its characters. To me it ended on a high note and wrapped up everything without a hitch. There was no point in wanting to know what goes on with Faye or Jet or Ed afterwards because they all found what they were looking for.
Yeah, the series end at the right point, it's only that I want to imagine what have been of them after the end. I consider nearly every story in CB settled for good.
MOST OVERRATED ANIME EVER
I agree with Freeter, Nate, Saint Rygar, Rid, etc... CB is not that overrated, Evangelion IS.
Here in Spain, after the DB boom that somewhat started all the anime & manga scene , the second most overrated is Evangelion. There were a time in which, if you didn't liked Eva, you WEREN'T an anime fan, regardless of anything else. I like the series, but I find it too trascendental (is that an english word? Too lazy to check.). In fact, I enjoy the robot & action scenes more than the "psycological" ones.
And as Rid said, Eva is still present in Japan and everywhere, but Bebop remain with pretty much the same as it had after the movie.
My favorite anime series is Rurouni Kenshin or Record of Lodoss War.
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| Sensenic 341th Post
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| "Re(3):Re(10):Cowboy Bebop. BEST. ANIME. EVER." , posted Tue 18 Feb 12:49
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In that logic it seems to be that just because a series gets very popular or if it gets to be seen by the general public it magically gets ruined? Is it not cool anymore because is no longer something that only very few people know about? its not MY PRECIOUSSSSSS any more?
.IT DOESNT COMPUTE HELP.
Hahahaha! That's a common disease among freaks. I have a friend that was the biggest Final Fantasy fan in Spain, or looked like it. That was during the SNES times, when the series wasn't aviable here (first FF here was FF7). Aprox. at the time of FF8, he said that he didn't liked FF that more, ONLY because now "all kids" had access to the games.
If I like something, I'm glad if many people like it, because I can speak of it with them, but maybe I'm not a "real" fan...
Very good one, Juan.
Much agreed with you two, even though I've gotta admit there's always this little pleasure, when you feel that you are in this little "elite people" that knows something very good before the rest of the people does. And specially when you make other people know about it and they like it.
But it's much worse when you like something that other people doesn't know/care about, and you can't talk about it with'em. That's my case when it comes to RPGs, since almost none of my friends goes much further than PSX finals and not much more....
Himawari chan ain't she cute?
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| Gojira 801th Post
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| "Re(5):Re(10):Cowboy Bebop. BEST. ANIME. EVER." , posted Tue 18 Feb 19:40
Juan's point is good, let me elaborate.
The way that works, is this:
Scenario 1: Something is unpopular. You see it in private through some slick, individual means (like you order it online or rent it from a good video store or something). It's brilliant and you love it. You now have valuable knowledge that you might want to share with everyone, and they will thank you when they end up enjoying it too. You will only tell people you like to hang with, of course. When you can help it, anyway.
Scenario 2: Something is popular. 3 million other people see it on TV. You go to school/work/wherever the following day and find somebody you hate (yes, there are people you hate) giving his unbridled, idiotic opinion about the show and how awesome it is. Now you hate the show, because liking it would mean you have to share something in common with a blathering moron.
Not that it's the RIGHT way to think, but many people do think this way. Replace TV show with music, books, games, whatever you want.
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