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| CrazyMax
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|  "Re(2):Black Character Designs"
, posted Mon 17 Feb 06:56
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A black character that doesn't do capoeria (I don't know if that's how it is spelled), one that doesn't do Boxing and a rip off fighting style of bruce lee's or like that black dude in enter the dragon. I think his name was Jackson or something.
You're talking about the man, ...Jim Kelly.
He played Williams in Enter the Dragon.
A strong character design is one that does NOT rely on an ethnic cliche, otherwise it merely becomes a bad cartoon. This is unfortunately the problem that often happens when creators make characters that are unfamiliar with, and have no intention of learning anything about them.
In the U.S. we make a character like Peter Parker/Spiderman. An everyday guy, with everyday problems, who acquires great powers. The same company makes an Israeli character, she's Sabra, the embodiment of Israel or something. Embodiment is often a cheap code word for cliche. It's a broad generalization, but it kinda makes the point.
The contradiction to this point is Black Panther, that got great writers to expand on the whole African royalty background, and more importantly his nobility. I would refer you to the classic issues of ( pay attention here, if you don't believe the whole cliche thing ) Jungle Action. A writer ( a caucasian writer ) took Panther from his jungle kingdom, to exploring issues of race in the southern U.S. This writer Don Mcgregor, learned something about the South, and used the Panther for his rather long winded forum on race.
I.E. sometimes it isn't the design that sucks, just the people writing the stories.
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| Toxico 2768th Post
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|  "Re(5):Black Character Designs"
, posted Mon 17 Feb 15:53
One thing that I always have hated is that whenever a character from an etnic minority shows up in the game he is an unrealistic stereotipe.
For example we got Laurence Blood, he is from spain, but he can't be a normal guy; he has to dress as a matador... Companies should be aware that is not simple to see such outfits on our normal life times.
Same applies with characters like Pepe, T. Hawk or Bob Wilson... Well, almost everyone that I have mentioned is cool, but it is don't like it, the rest of the world is filled with standard people; you can't see indians here as you can't see ninjas in china or japan (well, in fact you can see indians here, but is only in this country; not the rest on the world... Funny thing that they fight, usually beat the crap out of the police during protests... ja).
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| CrazyMax
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| "Re(6):Black Character Designs" , posted Mon 17 Feb 17:41
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One thing that I always have hated is that whenever a character from an etnic minority shows up in the game he is an unrealistic stereotipe.
For example we got Laurence Blood, he is from spain, but he can't be a normal guy; he has to dress as a matador... Companies should be aware that is not simple to see such outfits on our normal life times.
Same applies with characters like Pepe, T. Hawk or Bob Wilson... Well, almost everyone that I have mentioned is cool, but it is don't like it, the rest of the world is filled with standard people; you can't see indians here as you can't see ninjas in china or japan (well, in fact you can see indians here, but is only in this country; not the rest on the world... Funny thing that they fight, usually beat the crap out of the police during protests... ja).
My personal favorite for bad cliches is G - Gundam.
A Gundam robot with that cossack hat or sombrero. Or the windmill Gundam for Holland.
I know they originally designed the mechs that way. I read in an interview that they designed the mechs intentionally bad to be a pain to the toy designers. The toy people surprised them by being able to make the toys. Still I cringe when I see those mechs.
A mech with a chariot?!
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| ZamIAm 884th Post
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| "Miss T.K." , posted Tue 18 Feb 21:18
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I agree with that.. mages and villains are always so....... white. It'd be nice to see a flip change sometimes. ^_^ I think it'd be really awesome.... especially if the villain was a black WOMAN! Woot woot! Kick some ass! *ahem*
Luca from Plasma Sword/Star Gladiator 2 is a sorta darkskinned magician http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/characters/luca.html (As a requisite-look at pictures and ignore his comments)
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A strong character design is one that does NOT rely on an ethnic cliche, otherwise it merely becomes a bad cartoon. This is unfortunately the problem that often happens when creators make characters that are unfamiliar with, and have no intention of learning anything about them.
In the U.S. we make a character like Peter Parker/Spiderman. An everyday guy, with everyday problems, who acquires great powers. The same company makes an Israeli character, she's Sabra, the embodiment of Israel or something. Embodiment is often a cheap code word for cliche. It's a broad generalization, but it kinda makes the point.
The contradiction to this point is Black Panther, that got great writers to expand on the whole African royalty background, and more importantly his nobility. I would refer you to the classic issues of ( pay attention here, if you don't believe the whole cliche thing ) Jungle Action. A writer ( a caucasian writer ) took Panther from his jungle kingdom, to exploring issues of race in the southern U.S. This writer Don Mcgregor, learned something about the South, and used the Panther for his rather long winded forum on race.
I.E. sometimes it isn't the design that sucks, just the people writing the stories.
Yeah, I agree. "Embodiment" can be difficult to avoid at times when creating characters of different races and managing to make them still seem like that race.
Failed Scripts:
Robin: Omnipotent sacred bovine Batman!
Batman: Huh?
Robin: "Holy cow". Geez I thought you were supposed to be the worlds greatest detective.
Batman: Another comment like that you'll have to join the Mystery Men because I'm not paid enough to listen to you.
Robin: You? Not paid enough??? Erm nevermind...
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| UnCauzi
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| "Re(3):myhairisalbino" , posted Fri 21 Feb 23:02
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I don't know about Venom considering he's got that K'effect going on (tanned skin but WHITE hair)
That's the way I saw it, too. But... since his face is covered, it was still a possibility.
I once saw a pic of him with his mask off and he had blue eyes.
Well on Potemkin being black, I dunno, the features could call for him being black, but light skinned or mixed at best.
Venom I consider black, that's a very black/brown complexion they gave him more than say Akuma. As for the white hair, blue eyes thing, you have to remember that often black people have white hair in anime/comic books. (Not many people get born with white hair anyway, and black people can get their hair that straight)It's just a fantasy style of the artists. Making a black person with the standard black hair/brown eyes is just to plain. Japanese artists do this with themselves to, make themselves more "colorful."
P.S. I do know black people that are dark with blue eyes. Remember lots of blacks in Northern Africa, the USA, and Brasil are mixed. Just the color aspect will more likely show in the skin (light skinned) than simply the eyes. My cousins parents are as black as mine and he has green eyes, naturally.
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