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| CrazyMax
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|  "Re(1):Black History Month+gaming"
, posted Thu 13 Feb 23:56
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In the USA February is known as Black History Month and used to educate about influential African Americans. I'm curious as to what characters everyone here thinks is designed well from video games or anime/manga/US comics. I'd say "my own creations" but to avoid sounding cocky and full of myself, I'll just say Storm from the X-Men to start out.
Ugh! I am not sure I want to touch this one. But my gut feeling is that in most video games I like, there are very few if any black characters that are designed well. Since intially the Japanese games often based Black characters on US television cliches. They were often based on big misanthropic thug types like Balrog/M. Bison and on...
For the most part Black characters in videogames are great big muscled guys. They usually aren't the agile fast fighter, or dedicated martial artist. That is another cliche.
Keeping in mind the the games I am playing recently...
Mechassault - No Black people.
This became a joke in Star Wars, that indeed the mathematical odds of human life in space being Caucasian was so astronomically small it boggled the mind. But aliens come in every color but black.
Guilty Gear X2 - Nope again.
Althought I noticed that all the characters have cool color swaps that include black skin.
Capcom VS SNK2 - Everyone knows the usual suspects.
Balrog, Dhalsim ( sort of ), and... I dunno.
Comics have been a little different as they actively sought to make various characters of every nationality.
I actually care very little for Storm. Not that there is anything wrong with the character per se, it's just the writing by Chris Claremont. He's made her a major league pompous speech dropping wind bag ( yeah pun intended ). His rush to make every women in his strips Uber woman, makes em all the same character. He did it to Storm, to Betsy Braddock, to his lead character in Sovereign Seven. Same women, different name.
My vote for kick ass Black character goes to Black Panther. Followed by John Stewart from the JLA cartoon, and then Bishop.
Most of the other comic book characters that were mentioned have had stuff done with them lately that completely negates any positives they may have once had. Case in point Cage, which brought up an uproar in it's latest stint.
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| ZamIAm 878th Post
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| ""SUP YO!" is a no no" , posted Fri 14 Feb 21:27
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Ugh! I am not sure I want to touch this one. But my gut feeling is that in most video games I like, there are very few if any black characters that are designed well. Since intially the Japanese games often based Black characters on US television cliches. They were often based on big misanthropic thug types like Balrog/M. Bison and on...
For the most part Black characters in videogames are great big muscled guys. They usually aren't the agile fast fighter, or dedicated martial artist. That is another cliche.
Yeah, it can get sort of irritating at times but I guess it's not anything personal. The Japanese just don't really have any contact with black people on a regula basis. Even some of my fave characters can be cliche at times. One of my fave KOFers is Lucky Glauber for crying out loud. At the same time, I think that black males in videogames get stereotyped faster/easier than black females.
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Keeping in mind the the games I am playing recently...
Mechassault - No Black people.
This became a joke in Star Wars, that indeed the mathematical odds of human life in space being Caucasian was so astronomically small it boggled the mind. But aliens come in every color but black.
Guilty Gear X2 - Nope again.
Althought I noticed that all the characters have cool color swaps that include black skin.
Capcom VS SNK2 - Everyone knows the usual suspects.
Balrog, Dhalsim ( sort of ), and... I dunno.
I thought Guilty Gear's "Venom" was naturally tanned (though in a sort of K' manner). And I'll be big to point at Dhalsim being Indian not African due to a previous thread about India
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Comics have been a little different as they actively sought to make various characters of every nationality.
I actually care very little for Storm. Not that there is anything wrong with the character per se, it's just the writing by Chris Claremont. He's made her a major league pompous speech dropping wind bag ( yeah pun intended ). His rush to make every women in his strips Uber woman, makes em all the same character. He did it to Storm, to Betsy Braddock, to his lead character in Sovereign Seven. Same women, different name.
My vote for kick ass Black character goes to Black Panther. Followed by John Stewart from the JLA cartoon, and then Bishop.
Most of the other comic book characters that were mentioned have had stuff done with them lately that completely negates any positives they may have once had. Case in point Cage, which brought up an uproar in it's latest stint.
I can understand that with the comics. Though Storm actually happens to be my second favorite comic book character I do feel that her role can be crappy at times. As much as I liked the first X-Men movie, I feel Storm didn't really do much of significance there.
This is why with character design I try to keep variance. Though I do have black people who are buff, sports themed, and at times "ghetto fabulous", I also devise the very opposites. I would post a few design ideas but I'm sure to be ignored.
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| Time Mage 1224th Post
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| "Re(2):Black History Month+gaming" , posted Sat 15 Feb 03:58
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Ducalis, definately. Judo fighter extraordinaire!
Did I hear Judo? Can you elaborate about the character (visually and gameplay-wise), if it's not very off-topic?
Oh, and cool black characters are, IMO: Elena, Seth, Elena, Dudley, Elena, Heavy D!, Elena...
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| Grave
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| "Re(1):east indians!" , posted Sat 15 Feb 20:17
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oh yeah and there was (if you remember) gulab jamon, from way of the warrior for 3Do.. it was insulting. gulab juman are these incredibly good east indian sweets.
in the game gulab was fmv based and wore clothes like gill-- bad mix.
Sadly, I remember Way of the Warrior... my comment to my friend about Gulab: "Why's the dude with the turban wearing a diaper?" His parents dropped $800 on a 3DO and seemed upset that none of his friends, myself included, seemed to think it was better than the $200 SNES we had at home. 
Except when Samurai Shodown came out for 3DO and SNES. I think I was probably in 3rd grade at the time, but I still knew enough to know that I was getting the shaft on that port, haha. I'd go over to his house to play SS and Gex, but when Gex came out on PS and Saturn and a friend of mine had tracked down Japanese SS2 for PC for me, I wasn't so jealous anymore, haha.
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| ZamIAm 880th Post
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| "OFF TOPIC, YO!!!" , posted Sat 15 Feb 22:29
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Boo on Capcom for only giving us Sean, Oro and T. Hawk to represent Latin Americans and indigenous people. Sean is mixed. And Oro- we don't even know what he is. Maybe if Capcom does another Final Fight game, they can include some cholo characters or something.
I heard that Final Fight (2,3?) has a latino character but I don't know. I do know that Capcom has Blanka (Brazilian), Galuda (Power Stone's sorta stereotypical native man, and Roberto (Rival Schools series, Japanese+Latino mixed).
BTW, KOF's Robert is actually Italian.
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what about east indians in fighting games?
all we gots is dhalsim... we don't wear necklaces of skulls, and we can't stretch anymore than you can.
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| Gen 1312th Post
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| "Re(3):OFF TOPIC, YO!!!" , posted Sun 16 Feb 00:31:
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i think people are misinterpreting race, ethnicity, and nationalitie's all in one.
Lots of people unfortunately confuse race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, sex, minority, majority, geographic location, etc... Every one of these words or phrases has a different meaning. I'm not directing this to any particular person on this board. I consider this to be a significant social problem.
As for this topic, it could just be a simple mistake to start listing any African characters instead of specifically American ones.
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| Juke Joint Jezebel 1550th Post
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|  "Re(4):OFF TOPIC, YO!!!"
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Probably. I noticed the first post on this thread had said "African American", but a large number of the black characters listed aren't American at all.. Storm's not, Dudley's not, Elena's not.. Hmm.
haha yea, i thought of that too. i guess "African American" was used for political correctness, or something. i dunno, i should be studying right now, or looking at porn
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Lots of people unfortunately confuse race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, sex, minority, majority, geographic location, etc... Every one of these words or phrases has a different meaning. I'm not directing this to any particular person on this board. I consider this to be a significant social problem.
i hear ya. he's not white, he's German
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| JUKE JOINT JEZEBEL 1558th Post
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| "Re(8):OFF TOPIC, YO!!!" , posted Mon 17 Feb 12:53
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i hear ya. he's not white, he's German
hahaha, heres another one "dude, he's not black, he's brazilian"
i'm part white, part Mexican. people make fun of me just because i'm biracial
doesn't make sense
sense Mexicans aren't a race group
and further since all humans are the same race
so says Carlos Linnaeus
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don't get me wrong. i am true to both of my sides, my Mexican race AND my white nationality. on Tuesdays, we celebrate my cultural Mexican side with a nice Hispanic Pizza a la Taco Bell. Wednesdays is what we call "Whitey Day." we enjoy a good burger and the occasional hot dog. so, you see? i don't know why people make fun of my biracial ethnicity. i guess people truly are ignorant after all
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| Luisinan
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| "Re(9):OFF TOPIC, YO!!!" , posted Mon 17 Feb 13:02
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i hear ya. he's not white, he's German
hahaha, heres another one "dude, he's not black, he's brazilian"
i'm part white, part Mexican. people make fun of me just because i'm biracial
doesn't make sense
sense Mexicans aren't a race group
and further since all humans are the same race
so says Carlos Linnaeus
titty bite
don't get me wrong. i am true to both of my sides, my Mexican race AND my white nationality. on Tuesdays, we celebrate my cultural Mexican side with a nice Hispanic Pizza a la Taco Bell. Wednesdays is what we call "Whitey Day." we enjoy a good burger and the occasional hot dog. so, you see? i don't know why people make fun of my biracial ethnicity. i guess people truly are ignorant after all
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| Undead Fred
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| "Re(1):Biracial people are more intelligent?" , posted Mon 24 Feb 10:18
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More intelligent than who? I know plenty of stupid biracial people, I also know a lot of ugly ones. I may say they are more exotic, but no more exotic than your average latino that is has many races rolled up into one category.
Sorry to get off of subject. I just find comments like this idiotic. Just because you're biracial doesn't mean you have a thorough understanding of "both cultures" a lot of times it just means you have less because you're not completely accepted into either.
In order to have an understanding all you have to do is befreind blacks, whites, mongoloids, whatever. Genetics does not mean you understand a race of people, or even grasp "different types of cultures." If I'm biracial and I grew up in a poor black neighborhood I do not identify with asians, or white people. It's all circumstantial.
Where these assumptions come from I have no idea. Stop creating fantasy from something that's simply exotic.
That's what I never understood... it was a big thing in the 90's to praise people for being multi-racial just because they were multi-racial. It's not the person recieving the praise had anything to with the fact that they are multi-racial, anyway. Good for them, but who cares? I don't see why they should get an award for it. Like you said, it's exotic, nothing more. They're not automatically a culture expert or an ambassador between their cultures. People shouldn't make a big deal out of it.
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| UnCauzi
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| "Re(2):Biracial people are more intelligent?" , posted Mon 24 Feb 10:56
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More intelligent than who? I know plenty of stupid biracial people, I also know a lot of ugly ones. I may say they are more exotic, but no more exotic than your average latino that is has many races rolled up into one category.
Sorry to get off of subject. I just find comments like this idiotic. Just because you're biracial doesn't mean you have a thorough understanding of "both cultures" a lot of times it just means you have less because you're not completely accepted into either.
In order to have an understanding all you have to do is befreind blacks, whites, mongoloids, whatever. Genetics does not mean you understand a race of people, or even grasp "different types of cultures." If I'm biracial and I grew up in a poor black neighborhood I do not identify with asians, or white people. It's all circumstantial.
Where these assumptions come from I have no idea. Stop creating fantasy from something that's simply exotic.
That's what I never understood... it was a big thing in the 90's to praise people for being multi-racial just because they were multi-racial. It's not the person recieving the praise had anything to with the fact that they are multi-racial, anyway. Good for them, but who cares? I don't see why they should get an award for it. Like you said, it's exotic, nothing more. They're not automatically a culture expert or an ambassador between their cultures. People shouldn't make a big deal out of it.
Agreed. And as time goes on they will become less exotic and more common. But watch as they cling to the legends of having the best of both worlds, or that their "special" as their numbers increase. Honestly I almost see a "elitist" mentality growing out some of them I know as they are thinking that they are a superior species to those of us who aren't biracial.
Well I suppose when you see black people complaining about their hair. White people complaining about being too white. And Asians being insecure about whatever it may be. If they "come out right" (hair that's not to kinky, skin that's tan colored, not too short blah blah) I can see how they may look at themselves this way, but that's all cosmetic crap.
I guess it all boils down to blondes have more fun again.
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| RugalBernstein 3548th Post
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| "Re(3):Biracial people are more intelligent?" , posted Mon 24 Feb 13:35:
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Sorry to get off of subject. I just find comments like this idiotic. Just because you're biracial doesn't mean you have a thorough understanding of "both cultures" a lot of times it just means you have less because you're not completely accepted into either.
In order to have an understanding all you have to do is befreind blacks, whites, mongoloids, whatever. Genetics does not mean you understand a race of people, or even grasp "different types of cultures." If I'm biracial and I grew up in a poor black neighborhood I do not identify with asians, or white people. It's all circumstantial.
Where these assumptions come from I have no idea. Stop creating fantasy from something that's simply exotic.
That's what I never understood... it was a big thing in the 90's to praise people for being multi-racial just because they were multi-racial. It's not the person recieving the praise had anything to with the fact that they are multi-racial, anyway. Good for them, but who cares? I don't see why they should get an award for it. Like you said, it's exotic, nothing more. They're not automatically a culture expert or an ambassador between their cultures. People shouldn't make a big deal out of it.
Agreed. And as time goes on they will become less exotic and more common. But watch as they cling to the legends of having the best of both worlds, or that their "special" as their numbers increase. Honestly I almost see a "elitist" mentality growing out some of them I know as they are thinking that they are a superior species to those of us who aren't biracial.
Well I suppose when you see black people complaining about their hair. White people complaining about being too white. And Asians being insecure about whatever it may be. If they "come out right" (hair that's not to kinky, skin that's tan colored, not too short blah blah) I can see how they may look at themselves this way, but that's all cosmetic crap.
I guess it all boils down to blondes have more fun again.
As much as I hate to rain on your parade, " mixed races " ( DAMNIT, THEY AREN'T RACES!!! ) are less prone to genetically related problems than so called " pure bloods ". By " Mixing the ethnic genes " up, weak recessive genes are repressed. Ha ha ha, the Nazi's plan would have backfired horribly; they'd all have cystic fibrosis. :D
Edit: Oh, and I don't think it's too fair to demonstrate a lot of resentment for somebody of " mixed race "(COUGH, COUGH) on the basis of them being " mixed". They hardly were able to choose their parents.
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| Undead Fred
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| "Re(4):Biracial people are more intelligent?" , posted Mon 24 Feb 14:35
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As much as I hate to rain on your parade, " mixed races " ( DAMNIT, THEY AREN'T RACES!!! ) are less prone to genetically related problems than so called " pure bloods ". By " Mixing the ethnic genes " up, weak recessive genes are repressed. Ha ha ha, the Nazi's plan would have backfired horribly; they'd all have cystic fibrosis. :D
Edit: Oh, and I don't think it's too fair to demonstrate a lot of resentment for somebody of " mixed race "(COUGH, COUGH) on the basis of them being " mixed". They hardly were able to choose their parents.
Personally, I wasn't saying that I don't like "mixed races" or whatever... I'm just saying that they shouldn't get a pat on the back just because of their skin color or whatever. Now, if they actually DO know more about both cultures they're from because they're biracial, then good for them. I just don't think it's reasonable for people to automatically assume that they do.
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| UnCauzi
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| "Re(4):Biracial people are more intelligent?" , posted Mon 24 Feb 17:49
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As much as I hate to rain on your parade, " mixed races " ( DAMNIT, THEY AREN'T RACES!!! ) are less prone to genetically related problems than so called " pure bloods ". By " Mixing the ethnic genes " up, weak recessive genes are repressed. Ha ha ha, the Nazi's plan would have backfired horribly; they'd all have cystic fibrosis. :D
Edit: Oh, and I don't think it's too fair to demonstrate a lot of resentment for somebody of " mixed race "(COUGH, COUGH) on the basis of them being " mixed". They hardly were able to choose their parents.
Hehe actually some mixed people do consider themselves to have a race. Whether it's black/white, or mongloid/latino. So mixed races I think was used properly but who cares, semantics.
I'm also not saying I don't like mixed people hell, I'm mixed myself. And so are a lot of my freinds.
But being mixed doesn't make you more familiar with black/white people. Just because your dad may be black, that's one black person the mixed person knows if all their freinds are white. Kind of where I'm getting at.
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