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| Ferrio 522th Post
 
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|  "ba"
, posted Tue 11 Feb 18:07:
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Hey. Just wondering if anyone knows a good way to consistently pull off Baiken's counter supers. I'm having a hard time entering them fast enough to actually get them to work. I've heard some buzz about using parry defends to do it, but that seems really hard.
i only do it when they're ultra-aggressive. (and when i do it, i take time to put down the controller, extend my hand, and say "talk to the hand!") spending the whole round trying to land that super is pretty difficult. don't try to do that. take it from me, you'll get yourself killed :D
does anyone know the side effects of the "talk to the hand" super? i think (but am not totally sure) that it increases damage done to the opponent, so i just go on the offense afterwards
It's not hard, just block then do a hcb motion. The super has several different attributes mattering on what button you use the execute it.
Bah since I'm to lazy to look up the actual button presses I'll try and go from memory.
Punch=Opponent can't jump
Kick=Oppnent can't use special/super (this is the only one I use... and only on characters that really need their specials... ie Potemkin. He's neutered without it)
Slash and Heavy slash either increase your damage, or decrease theirs... forget which is which.
Overall I rarely ever use it. Being on the defensive is BAD in GGXX... something I would not recommend doing if you have a choice. If you just happened to be corner, and no burst... ya go ahead and waste some tension if you think you can... otherwise just keep the rush on.
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| Radish 905th Post
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| "Re(2):Baiken Supers" , posted Tue 11 Feb 18:27:
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Does Baiken have any more moves this time? I have GGX, and I really liked her, but I wanted more moves. She only had, like two I think?
Also, I never could tell- what does that ghost/vapor thing that comes from Johnny's scabbard do? Also, what happens with those coins he threw out (it's been a while since I've played it, but I thought they were coins...)? I mean, what do they do?
Yeah, Baiken's still pretty sparce in the non-counter moves. She has her magic tatami mat, the chain grab and that full circle air swing move and that's about it. She also only has one non counter super which is pretty limited (it works well as a combo ender though).
When Johnny hits with a coin it raises the power of his mist finer 1 level up to a maximum of 3. Level 3 mist finer is like a mini super and comes out really fast. If the mist from the sigh move is overlapping an opponent, they can't block a mist finer.
[this message was edited by Radish on Tue 11 Feb 18:28] |
| Ferrio 522th Post
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| "Re(2):Baiken Supers" , posted Tue 11 Feb 18:27
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Does Baiken have any more moves this time? I have GGX, and I really liked her, but I wanted more moves. She only had, like two I think?
Also, I never could tell- what does that ghost/vapor thing that comes from Johnny's scabbard do? Also, what happens with those coins he threw out (it's been a while since I've played it, but I thought they were coins...)? I mean, what do they do?
Baiken had more than two moves in GGX. Though only 3 of them were offensive, the rest defensive.
In GGXX she has her chain grab, which is offensive... and her Air Dust... which isn't a special.. but one of her most used moves.
As for Johnny, the mist makes his Mist Finer attack unblockable. It was a main key in the set up of his mist traps. The coin is also the other key. Normally a mist finer would just hit and knock them up in the air.. and they could tech. If you've hit them with 1 coin, it hits them up in the air and they are unable to tech (jump out of it). If you hit them with two coins the mist finer will hit a crap load of times.
In GGXX its changed slightly, don't know all the changes but the one I noticed the most was that a mist finer without any coins has a big startup, making it hard (maybe impossible, haven't experimented much with johnny yet) to combo.
Also the level 3 mist finer (2 coins) will multihit and hit them up into the air, yet they can tech. I maybe mistaken but I don't remember it launching them in GGX.
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| Undead Fred
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| "Re(3):Baiken Supers" , posted Tue 11 Feb 18:41
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Yeah, Baiken's still pretty sparse in the non-counter moves. She has her magic tatami mat, the chain grab and that full circle air swing move and that's about it. She also only has one non counter super which is pretty limited (it works well as a combo ender though).
When Johnny hits with a coin it raises the power of his mist finer 1 level up to a maximum of 3. Level 3 mist finer is like a mini super and comes out really fast. If the mist from the sigh move is overlapping an opponent, they can't block a mist finer.
Okay, I think I get it. So, is the "mist finer" the ghosty/mist thing, or the quick slash thing that... ummm... you know, when he has the sword sheathed and you can make him snap the sword at them really fast? Because I know I've gotten people with that ghosty thing and all it did was stay on them for a while. I never figured out what it did.
Also, Baiken had a chain throw? Like, she grabs them with her chain arm? The only ones I knew of were the mat thing, and some kind of running slash or something (I think?). She had one or two basic moves like a crouching spin cut or something, too. But, like I said, it's been a while.
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| Ferrio 523th Post
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| "Re(4):Baiken Supers" , posted Tue 11 Feb 18:51
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Yeah, Baiken's still pretty sparse in the non-counter moves. She has her magic tatami mat, the chain grab and that full circle air swing move and that's about it. She also only has one non counter super which is pretty limited (it works well as a combo ender though).
When Johnny hits with a coin it raises the power of his mist finer 1 level up to a maximum of 3. Level 3 mist finer is like a mini super and comes out really fast. If the mist from the sigh move is overlapping an opponent, they can't block a mist finer.
Okay, I think I get it. So, is the "mist finer" the ghosty/mist thing, or the quick slash thing that... ummm... you know, when he has the sword sheathed and you can make him snap the sword at them really fast? Because I know I've gotten people with that ghosty thing and all it did was stay on them for a while. I never figured out what it did.
Also, Baiken had a chain throw? Like, she grabs them with her chain arm? The only ones I knew of were the mat thing, and some kind of running slash or something (I think?). She had one or two basic moves like a crouching spin cut or something, too. But, like I said, it's been a while.
The mist finer is the name of the move where he slashes the sword very quickly, ala yamazaki.
Baiken's new move (only in GGXX) she extends a chain with a claw on it. It'll grab the opponent and pull them foward (blocking or not). If it hits an unblocking opponent it'll also stun them. You can then either follow up with a combo if they don't get outta the stun fast enough, or can complete the chain move with a canned Slash (which actually looks cool, but does crap for damage).
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| Radish 905th Post
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| "Re(5):Baiken Supers" , posted Tue 11 Feb 18:55
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Yeah, Baiken's still pretty sparse in the non-counter moves. She has her magic tatami mat, the chain grab and that full circle air swing move and that's about it. She also only has one non counter super which is pretty limited (it works well as a combo ender though).
When Johnny hits with a coin it raises the power of his mist finer 1 level up to a maximum of 3. Level 3 mist finer is like a mini super and comes out really fast. If the mist from the sigh move is overlapping an opponent, they can't block a mist finer.
Okay, I think I get it. So, is the "mist finer" the ghosty/mist thing, or the quick slash thing that... ummm... you know, when he has the sword sheathed and you can make him snap the sword at them really fast? Because I know I've gotten people with that ghosty thing and all it did was stay on them for a while. I never figured out what it did.
Also, Baiken had a chain throw? Like, she grabs them with her chain arm? The only ones I knew of were the mat thing, and some kind of running slash or something (I think?). She had one or two basic moves like a crouching spin cut or something, too. But, like I said, it's been a while.
The mist finer is the name of the move where he slashes the sword very quickly, ala yamazaki.
Baiken's new move (only in GGXX) she extends a chain with a claw on it. It'll grab the opponent and pull them foward (blocking or not). If it hits an unblocking opponent it'll also stun them. You can then either follow up with a combo if they don't get outta the stun fast enough, or can complete the chain move with a canned Slash (which actually looks cool, but does crap for damage).
I always wondered how she threw those things out without an arm.
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| Ferrio 524th Post
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| "Re(2):ba" , posted Tue 11 Feb 19:47
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Undead Fred: when you try out Baiken again, try out her   KICK move. she runs a short distance towards the opponent, but there's also autoguard. it's nice when you wanna get closer to the opponent. and what's great is that if the opponent isn't used to a Baiken player, they won't know that she's giving the animation for her "command run." it gives you a bit of an edge. in GGX, i "command ran" into a throw a lot for some quick damage. i think its only weaknesses are that she can be tripped and she can be thrown while performing the run, but i may be wrong on that
Ferrio: thanks for the sum-up of her counter super!
Overall I rarely ever use it. Being on the defensive is BAD in GGXX...
i was about to bitch you out for saying that, but i remembered you use Geese as well and you know that using counters all the time is a stupid move
everyone else: in fighting games (and especially Guilty Gear), sometimes you have no other choice but to block. you're stuck in the corner as the opponent unleashes an onslaught of wacky combos on you. that's the time to use her counters. i'm not telling you people how to play. the comment just came to my mind because Ferrio's choice of words made many of Baiken's counters look worthless
The aren't worthless, but I'm trying to say you shouldn't stand back and wait for someone to hit you just because you want to do one of her counter moves. Like I said if you're up against the wall not by choice, don't have a burst, then fine use the counter. Personally I'd use her punch one and get a nice juggle out of it.
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| Undead Fred
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| "Re(3):ba" , posted Tue 11 Feb 20:12
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Undead Fred: when you try out Baiken again, try out her KICK move. she runs a short distance towards the opponent, but there's also autoguard. it's nice when you wanna get closer to the opponent. and what's great is that if the opponent isn't used to a Baiken player, they won't know that she's giving the animation for her "command run." it gives you a bit of an edge. in GGX, i "command ran" into a throw a lot for some quick damage. i think its only weaknesses are that she can be tripped and she can be thrown while performing the run, but i may be wrong on that
Ferrio: thanks for the sum-up of her counter super!
Overall I rarely ever use it. Being on the defensive is BAD in GGXX...
i was about to bitch you out for saying that, but i remembered you use Geese as well and you know that using counters all the time is a stupid move
everyone else: in fighting games (and especially Guilty Gear), sometimes you have no other choice but to block. you're stuck in the corner as the opponent unleashes an onslaught of wacky combos on you. that's the time to use her counters. i'm not telling you people how to play. the comment just came to my mind because Ferrio's choice of words made many of Baiken's counters look worthless
The aren't worthless, but I'm trying to say you shouldn't stand back and wait for someone to hit you just because you want to do one of her counter moves. Like I said if you're up against the wall not by choice, don't have a burst, then fine use the counter. Personally I'd use her punch one and get a nice juggle out of it.
Radish- Okay, thanks. That makes sense now.
JJJ- Yeah, I knew about her "command run," but I don't think I realized it had an auto-block. Good idea.
As for counters and all of that, I think they're perfectly valid moves (especially with Geese, because you have to switch between high, mid, and low). Just standing there the whole time and making people try to hit you is pretty cheap. But if you use those moves every once in a while, then that's fine. I know I use Yamazaki's "punch me in the face" if things are slowing down in a fight just to trick them into punching me. Otherwise, I use it as a counter.
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| Ferrio 526th Post
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| "Re(4):ba" , posted Tue 11 Feb 20:17:
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Undead Fred: when you try out Baiken again, try out her KICK move. she runs a short distance towards the opponent, but there's also autoguard. it's nice when you wanna get closer to the opponent. and what's great is that if the opponent isn't used to a Baiken player, they won't know that she's giving the animation for her "command run." it gives you a bit of an edge. in GGX, i "command ran" into a throw a lot for some quick damage. i think its only weaknesses are that she can be tripped and she can be thrown while performing the run, but i may be wrong on that
Ferrio: thanks for the sum-up of her counter super!
Overall I rarely ever use it. Being on the defensive is BAD in GGXX...
i was about to bitch you out for saying that, but i remembered you use Geese as well and you know that using counters all the time is a stupid move
everyone else: in fighting games (and especially Guilty Gear), sometimes you have no other choice but to block. you're stuck in the corner as the opponent unleashes an onslaught of wacky combos on you. that's the time to use her counters. i'm not telling you people how to play. the comment just came to my mind because Ferrio's choice of words made many of Baiken's counters look worthless
The aren't worthless, but I'm trying to say you shouldn't stand back and wait for someone to hit you just because you want to do one of her counter moves. Like I said if you're up against the wall not by choice, don't have a burst, then fine use the counter. Personally I'd use her punch one and get a nice juggle out of it.
Radish- Okay, thanks. That makes sense now.
JJJ- Yeah, I knew about her "command run," but I don't think I realized it had an auto-block. Good idea.
As for counters and all of that, I think they're perfectly valid moves (especially with Geese, because you have to switch between high, mid, and low). Just standing there the whole time and making people try to hit you is pretty cheap. But if you use those moves every once in a while, then that's fine. I know I use Yamazaki's "punch me in the face" if things are slowing down in a fight just to trick them into punching me. Otherwise, I use it as a counter.
Cheap doesn't figure into it, it's just stupid. Bad enough if you play Geese and do nothing but countering in CvS2... you'll get creamed if you're playing up against someone who knows what they're doing. A good rushdown will pick apart someone that relies on counters. But to surround your whole strategy around countering in GGXX is even worse, since the game is nothing but a big rushdown.
[this message was edited by Ferrio on Tue 11 Feb 20:20] |
| Juke Joint Jezebel 1517th Post
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|  "Re(5):ba"
, posted Tue 11 Feb 20:44
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Cheap doesn't figure into it, it's just stupid. Bad enough if you play Geese and do nothing but countering in CvS2... you'll get creamed if you're playing up against someone who knows what they're doing.
*raises hand*
i did that against a tournament-level player in the university arcade. eventually, he figured out what i was doing and beat the snot out of me. here's kinda what happened. this was in the time span of about 30-45 seconds
my ratio 1 Geese (50% life) vs a ratio 2 Ryu (full health)
- he ran up to me and did a crouching light kick -- low counter
- i walked towards his fallen body so he'd rise with an uppercut -- high counter
- i stood next to him, waiting for him to rise. he rose with a crouching jab -- middle counter
- i stood next to him, thinking that he might try to go low again -- he did. low counter
- i stood next to him, hoping he'd go middle again -- i countered middle, he didn't attack, BAM got my ass kicked
- he short jumped at me -- i countered high. he landed and combo'd my ass
Geese soon fell after that, but i did a nice amount of damage to his ratio 2 shoto. imo, it was worth it. i genuinely suck with the joystick. but you won't see me doing that in every game
"With skills like that I'm too legit to quit." -- SuperSuckz
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| Undead Fred
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| "Re(5):ba" , posted Wed 12 Feb 01:40:
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Cheap doesn't figure into it, it's just stupid. Bad enough if you play Geese and do nothing but countering in CvS2... you'll get creamed if you're playing up against someone who knows what they're doing. A good rushdown will pick apart someone that relies on counters. But to surround your whole strategy around countering in GGXX is even worse, since the game is nothing but a big rushdown.
I know, I agree that it's stupid to do only counters. I was just saying that being able to do counters instead of blocking is not. Only doing counters is almost as bad as turtling up in the corner.
BUT I reserve the right to pound someone into the ground using only counters if they're one of those cheap, repetitive Ryu/Ken players. You know the people- jump in with a hard kick, land and do a sweep, axe kick or overhead chop (depending on who they've got), and then tack on a shoryuken or a fireball to finish, then repeat as soon as possible for the rest of the match. Or those people that sit on one side throwing fireball after fireball over and over until you try to jump over and then they shoryuken you out of the air. I break those people in two. Yamazaki's the BEST for that job. When they start that up, I just stand there, catch the fireball and throw it right back in their face. While they're down, I run up and headbutt them or do his counter or anything like that. Then they're mine. If you use his upper snake arm, then they don't have anywhere to run if they try to jump over you.
[this message was edited by Undead Fred on Wed 12 Feb 01:41] |
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