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| Grave
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|  "Re(5):offtopic: Dell guy arrested!"
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dells suck.
linux baby.
There's no reason you can't run Linux just fine on Dell's boxes, like you can on any other PC or Mac... or Dreamcast, or PS2, or however many platforms Linux has been ported to. To say Dells suck because you like Linux is crazy. 
Of course, why anyone wants to run an operating system other than Mac OS X is beyond me. If I couldn't have a Mac, I'd be running Linux or BeOS R5 (or maybe OpenBeOS, if it was out by then), but after using WinXP before I switched, I don't want another Windows box again. 
Gee, this thread keeps going more and more OT, huh?
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| Undead Fred
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| "Re(6):offtopic: Dell guy arrested!" , posted Mon 10 Feb 23:08
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dells suck.
linux baby.
There's no reason you can't run Linux just fine on Dell's boxes, like you can on any other PC or Mac... or Dreamcast, or PS2, or however many platforms Linux has been ported to. To say Dells suck because you like Linux is crazy.
Of course, why anyone wants to run an operating system other than Mac OS X is beyond me. If I couldn't have a Mac, I'd be running Linux or BeOS R5 (or maybe OpenBeOS, if it was out by then), but after using WinXP before I switched, I don't want another Windows box again.
Gee, this thread keeps going more and more OT, huh?
At the risk of starting some stupid "Macs rule, PC's drool!" sort of "Ford means 'found off road dead'" war, you had me until you started that MacBS crap. I've used Macs and PC's quite a bit, and I hate Macs more than anything. To go into the reasons why would take up too much space and just piss people off, so I'll shut up now.
Just felt like throwing my two cents in. Sorry about that.
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| OmegaDog 440th Post
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| "Mac XP on my Dell, dude!" , posted Tue 11 Feb 04:00:
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There's no reason you can't run Linux just fine on Dell's boxes, like you can on any other PC or Mac... or Dreamcast, or PS2, or however many platforms Linux has been ported to. To say Dells suck because you like Linux is crazy.
Of course, why anyone wants to run an operating system other than Mac OS X is beyond me. If I couldn't have a Mac, I'd be running Linux or BeOS R5 (or maybe OpenBeOS, if it was out by then), but after using WinXP before I switched, I don't want another Windows box again.
Gee, this thread keeps going more and more OT, huh?
Well, sure, Mac OS X is the cleanest OS out there (internally, not just graphically) -- I have a friend in Electrical Engineering, proficient in *NIX OSes, who's sworn by Macs (although, for programs not made for Macs, he has his Windows 2000 box right next to his G4.)
But WinXP has worked really well for me on my Dell laptop, and I need Windows for its wide software base. But I prefer the look of Mac OS X, so I changed my desktop around to look like it. (~ 305 KB) [I can also invoke alpha transparencies and have the Program Dock at the bottom, but IrfanView won't capture them in the image.]
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I'm just waiting to see how long it takes for "Dude, I'm getting some Dell!" to catch on as a vernacular for scoring some weed.
"Dude, I'm getting delled..."
[Edit: Changed the file format above from PNG to JPEG. Save quality of 80 through IrfanView.]
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| Grave
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| "Re(1):Mac XP on my Dell, dude!" , posted Tue 11 Feb 06:26
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Well, sure, Mac OS X is the cleanest OS out there (internally, not just graphically) -- I have a friend in Electrical Engineering, proficient in *NIX OSes, who's sworn by Macs (although, for programs not made for Macs, he has his Windows 2000 box right next to his G4.)
But WinXP has worked really well for me on my Dell laptop, and I need Windows for its wide software base. But I prefer the look of Mac OS X, so I changed my desktop around to look like it. (~ 900 KB) [I can also invoke alpha transparencies and have the Program Dock at the bottom, but IrfanView won't capture them in the image.]
Downloading an 892k png on dialup makes me really wonder why people think this format is so much better than jpg or gif or anything.. lossless or not.
However, that mutant brushed metal/aqua hybrid theme for XP is pretty nice looking. Like your friend, I also still have my old PC. If it's not broke, I'm not gonna throw away a perfectly good machine. After switching, I still keep the PC on the network. I use it to maintain my dialup connection and it holds some files for me, and besides crashing when I tell it to reboot, XP is a hell of a lot less prone to crashing while doing nothing.
To be perfectly fair, it's decently stable when using it constantly, too. I've had a couple months of uptime during regular usage of it. My original XP installation started pretty nice, but things went downhill fast. Things started breaking, and file permissions went all wonky. I know it's not typical, but I was looking for an excuse to get a Mac anyway. I got mine right before OS X came out, and made the full switch sometime after 10.1. I don't regret it.
And Undead Fred, to say you "hate Macs more than anything" doesn't really convince me that you've used them enough to fairly judge them and understand them. I don't really like pre-X Mac OS, but it was certainly functional. And as for OS X, there's nothing I can't do on it that I used to do in Windows.
Of course, I don't like to use Windows, and sometimes Linux is like pulling teeth, but I'm functional in both, and when I use the Windows boxes in school, I don't sit down and shout "I hate this WinBS crap more than anything!" There's no reason to despise a platform simply because you don't like it. WinXP works for a lot of people, and hell, it used to work for me. I could see someone trashing the crap out of WinMe, however. Now there's an OS I have nothing good to say about. However, OS X works extraordinarily well for me. It doesn't crash, it runs the programs I need and want, and the whole experience, for me, is a lot more intuitive than Windows.
To go on about "that MacBS crap" then say you won't go into the reasons why and that you just wanted to throw your two cents in, to me, implies that you just wanted to bash Macs for no reason, even though you knew it'd annoy people in the first place. It's not like we don't see enough of that on Slashdot or anywhere else.
So no, I don't see your point. 
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| Grave
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|  "Re(3):Mac XP on my Dell, dude!"
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PNG, JPG, or GIF, no matter the graphics format, it will always become bloated if the user wielding it does not do it well. I wouldn't explain how much the PNG and MNG file formats would contribute to a web/internet design environment as compared to older graphic formats such as JPG and GIF. But I suggest it best you read the PNG and MNG documentations, and do a case by case comparison to the possible benefits of the PNG/MNG format over the JPG/GIF format before forming such an opinion.
Lossless compression is not the main benefit of PNG by the way, I've never even heard of it ever being listed as one of the key benefits. Features in the MNG format were even implemented to counteract the larger sizes that the lossless compression might bring about to web environments.
Woo, informative.
I had toyed with the idea of using PNG in web design before, but a lot of browsers don't handle it well still. It offers a lot of interesting things that GIF doesn't, but it still doesn't really compel me to change formats. I've never even heard of MNG...
And yeah, and this is the second time within two or three days I've complained about a PNG screencap of someone's desktop, because of the size. The first time was on IRC, and a lot of people in the channel had complained about the large filesize, and the guy said he did it because it was lossless. Good quality JPG compression is usually good enough for my purposes, but whatever one wants, I suppose...
I'm not really concerned with what the format is, but large files are choking people on dialup. And yeah, a lot of that falls on the person making the images. If someone saves all their JPG files at maximum quality in PS, they're going to have ridiculously bloated files as well.
I really ought to look into MNG, though.. I had never heard of it until you brought it up.
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| OmegaDog 440th Post
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| "Even more off-topic: image file formats" , posted Tue 11 Feb 09:05:
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Downloading an 892k png on dialup makes me really wonder why people think this format is so much better than jpg or gif or anything.. lossless or not.
PNG, JPG, or GIF, no matter the graphics format, it will always become bloated if the user wielding it does not do it well. I wouldn't explain how much the PNG and MNG file formats would contribute to a web/internet design environment as compared to older graphic formats such as JPG and GIF. But I suggest it best you read the PNG and MNG documentations, and do a case by case comparison to the possible benefits of the PNG/MNG format over the JPG/GIF format before forming such an opinion.
Lossless compression is not the main benefit of PNG by the way, I've never even heard of it ever being listed as one of the key benefits. Features in the MNG format were even implemented to counteract the larger sizes that the lossless compression might bring about to web environments.
Yeah, my apologies for the large file size; by default, I just use PNG since that was the cleanest file format that I was familiar with that was supported by browsers. And I just put "best" (level 9) PNG compression under IrfanView without giving much more thought. (I'm not much of an image editing guru -- I'm not much with graphics, and most of the pages I do are almost purely HTML. Any images I do manipulate, I do through a combination IrfanView and MS Paint. I might take up GIMP sometime, should the need ever arise.)
I'm seeing that using a save quality of 80 for JPEGs under IrfanView makes the file about 305 KB. So it'll still be a couple of minutes on dial-up, but it's better, at least. [Edit: I've gone ahead and changed the link. For those that demand PNG, though, the original link is quoted on Grave's post.]
But, hey -- about the original image, I did warn right next to the link that the file size would be about 900 KB.
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| Undead Fred
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| "Re(2):Mac XP on my Dell, dude!" , posted Tue 11 Feb 11:32
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And Undead Fred, to say you "hate Macs more than anything" doesn't really convince me that you've used them enough to fairly judge them and understand them. I don't really like pre-X Mac OS, but it was certainly functional. And as for OS X, there's nothing I can't do on it that I used to do in Windows.
I have actually used Macs quite a bit. I've got my BFA in graphic design, and the art department here believed that Macs are "better for graphics" or some crap like that, so every class I took involved quite a bit of time with the Mac. So, yes, I've got plenty of experience with Macs. At the very least, I hate them because of their features like crashing a lot and having to manually adjust memory when it pretends to run out (as opposed to Windows autmatically moving memory around where you need it). OSX seems a lot more stable and crashes a whole lot less, but the layout issues and other performance stuff from the previous versions I didn't like is still there. Oh yeah, why did they decide to just NOW support multiple mouse buttons?
And the fact that I like games doesn't help with me hating Macs, either. PC's have more support than Macs in terms of amount of software... why get Black and White and Unreal Tournament blah blah blah when Duke Nukem 3D and Doom 2 just came out for the Mac last week? In our anim lab, we've had SGI's and NT's with Maya on them for a long time and they were up-to-date versions, but when Mac eventually got Maya, my teacher (he's a Mac freak) got all excited and we almost got stuck with a lab full of Macs with Maya. Why's that bad, you ask? Because the most current Mac version of Maya was a version behind the PC Maya. And that's bad for more reasons than I care to type.
I'm sorry, I was honestly not trying to start a war. I just reacted to the Mac Switch Ad type of talk that was happening earlier. I tried to keep it down to "I disagree, I hate Macs" and not go into detail because I was trying to avoid a war like this. I'll just leave it at this: I hate Macs for reasons more than just "I don't like them." I've spent a lot of time on those things, and I hate them through experience with them. So, that's it. Again, I really didn't want to ramble this much and start some stupid fight over PC's and Macs, but since you think I'm just some 13 year old that wanted to start an argument because I "just don't like Macs," I decided to go into more detail.
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