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| Dash no Chris
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|  "Re(5):Shin Gouketsuji Ichizoku images"
, posted Wed 12 Feb 22:50
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Hmmm, it seems that almost noone is interested in in Shin Gouketsuji Ichizoku. If I compare how much postings were written on BBS all over the world while the KOF02 location thest were running I come to the final decision that something must be wrong with the game. Is the reason the less popularity of the cast? Maybe that the game is not a "serious" Fighting game? Or what do you think is the reason that it seems to be widely ignored.
While the Gouketsuji series has always enjoyed a cult following (primarily in Japan), the KOF series has had much stronger, global popularity. Also, the Gouketsuji series started all the way back in 1993 and hasn't had a new game since GROOVE ON FIGHT in 1997. KOF, on the other hand, has been going strong for the last 9 years. There are alot of people that simply don't remember (or never heard of) the Gouketsuji series -- as opposed to KOF, which everyone knows. The bbs members at neo-geo.com were initially skeptical about the game, given the early remarks made by those attending the Oosaka playtest. However, as more positive comments began to surface along with this week's pictures from Arcadia and the playtest, most of the folks at ng.com are really getting excited about this game.
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Hmmmm, I was afraid about that "No Trasforming" handycap. Not seeing Kintaro Kokuin between the main characters gave a bad feeling. But I can't believe Oume won't transform :/
Maybe I misinterpreted the initial playtest remarks, but the impression that I got was that the transformations were absent not because they wouldn't be in the game at all, but because this was still the playtest version and not all the features were included (opening animation / title sequence, boss character(s), etc.). It looks as though Kintarou has gone Pochi full-time now, but I simply can't imagine Otane and Oume not being able to assume their Gal forms -- it was their cute, younger versions that made them so popular in the first place. Of course, a pair of 78-year-olds beating the stuffing out of a bunch of upstart 20-/30-somethings has its own charms.... Perhaps no one would notice if Kokuuin Kanji was missing one of his forms, but I think Japan's game centers might experience British football stadium level riots if the game's final version included a Kurara who couldn't become Super Kurara.
BTW, at least 3 of the members of the Rage of the Dragons cast (Jimmy, Elias, & Lynn) were accessible as CPU opponents in Shin Gouketsuji (at least, in the location test version). Go to THIS THREAD at neo-geo.com for the details.
--Chris
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| Zepy 357th Post
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|  "Re(6):Shin Gouketsuji Ichizoku images"
, posted Thu 13 Feb 06:25
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Maybe I misinterpreted the initial playtest remarks, but the impression that I got was that the transformations were absent not because they wouldn't be in the game at all, but because this was still the playtest version and not all the features were included (opening animation / title sequence, boss character(s), etc.). It looks as though Kintarou has gone Pochi full-time now, but I simply can't imagine Otane and Oume not being able to assume their Gal forms -- it was their cute, younger versions that made them so popular in the first place. Of course, a pair of 78-year-olds beating the stuffing out of a bunch of upstart 20-/30-somethings has its own charms.... Perhaps no one would notice if Kokuuin Kanji was missing one of his forms, but I think Japan's game centers might experience British football stadium level riots if the game's final version included a Kurara who couldn't become Super Kurara.
One of the playtesters claimed to have spoken with one of the developers, or somebody close. And it was said that they left the transformations out, because it was difficult to balance if it were to be left in the game. I personally take this to be the truth, though it could come as easily to be a lie then the truth.
Maybe there can be hope, but I don't remember any major changes, or even many noticeable changes, being made in SNK/Playmore games, after a playtest is conducted. All things considered, there will always be a first, and I hope that there will be, for the better.
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| Dash no Chris
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| "Re(7):Shin Gouketsuji Ichizoku images" , posted Thu 13 Feb 14:47
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One of the playtesters claimed to have spoken with one of the developers, or somebody close. And it was said that they left the transformations out, because it was difficult to balance if it were to be left in the game.
In the earlier GI/PI installments, there were a couple of techniques that were a little too easy to execute, given the amount of damage they could inflict. Chief among these was Otane's/Oume's "Ryuusei Ranbudan" -- Lever-Forward + press Punch rapidly/repeatedly to unleash a storm of ki projectiles. Based on the photocopied movelist distributed at the Oosaka location test, it looks like only Otane has this technique in SGI/NPI, and it looks like it's been made into a Command Throw (when close, HCB + P) -- no more grannies filling the screen with fireballs like Sagat on speed. My point is, the new movelist suggests that a number of characters' techniques have been tweaked for the sake of balance.
If Noise Factory simply didn't have the time necessary to draw all the extra sprites that the transformations demand, that would be something I could understand. But I'm somewhat taken aback at the possibility that the transformations were nixed in the interests of balance. Granted, in the original games, the transformations were initiated usually via each character's P Throw (a fairly easy Lever-Button Command, that can be executed regardless of the character's Stress Meter level). On the other hand, the transformations never really lasted long enough to become a source of abuse, IMO. Assuming Noise Factory *had* enough time and manpower to create all the extra sprites for the transformations, the first, best, and simplest step to minimizing the possibility of negative impact on balance would be to make each character's transformation technique either a Stress Shoot (consuming 1 level of Stress Meter) or an Ippatsu Ougi (consuming 2 levels of Stress Meter), with an appropriately more complex Lever-Button Command to activate them -- perhaps even make them Command Throws, so that they have to be performed at close range.
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Maybe there can be hope, but I don't remember any major changes, or even many noticeable changes, being made in SNK/Playmore games, after a playtest is conducted. All things considered, there will always be a first, and I hope that there will be, for the better.
I wholeheartedly agree. As a longtime fan of the Gouketsuji series, I've been eagerly awaiting this game since it was announced last year. Even if there are no transformations, I'll still enjoy it for what it is. I'd just rather not imagine a GI/PI game without that feature.
--Chris
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