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| Time Mage 1205th Post
 
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|  "CvS2 EO *gameplay* changes."
, posted Sun 9 Feb 04:39
Yeah. I don't know if you know this (if you visit shoryuken.com you will), but Capcom, instead of being lazy and just port the game, made some little (and not so little) changes to the game (GC and XBox versions):
- P-Groove now has supercancel! It's just as adding supercancel to P-Groove in the groove edit mode in the DC and PS2 versions. Some characters improove VERY much, like Iori, or Kim. Iori can do cr.LKx3, qcb+HP*3, supercancel into Maiden Masher. Easy and damaging. Kim can do cr.LKx3, d,u+HP, supercancel in the third hit into Houou Tenbu Kyaku (air super), among other things.
- S-Groove meter charges faster, and dissipates slower. Not a big change, but it was needed anyway. S-Athena will be now more fearsome!
- Some characters have been toned down strengh-wise. They now deal 5% less damage than the arcade, DC and PS2 versions. They are Sagat, Blanka, Cammy, Bison and a few more that I don't remember. 5% is not that much of a change, but better than nothing. Sagat and Blanka deserved at least that.
- Conversely, some characters have been toned up strenght-wise. The 5% more damage is applied to Maki, Kyosuke, Eagle (Did he needed this???), and more that I don't remember. I'm pretty sure that Yun hasn't been changed, what is stupid. Again, the change is not very spectacular, but except from Eagle, needed.
- And lastly (I think), some characters have now more life: Yun and Kyosuke. That was really needed, although I don't know how much life they gained.
- Oh! Roll Cancel is out, too. Well, you can RC, but won't gain the roll invincibility anymore.
I don't know what do you think, but I like this changes, even when P-Groove can be too good now with certain chars (there isn't ant damage reduction in the supercancel).
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| Dragon-warrior 799th Post
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| "Re(4):CvS2 EO *gameplay* changes." , posted Sun 9 Feb 15:59
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man as if the P groove needed to be more powerful, do you know if you parry an attack then counter with a combo then every single hit of the combo is counter (which take more damage and dizzy)
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That's false. Only the first hit of a combo counts as a counter hit. Always.
Ah, and P-Groove was in disadvantage with all except S-Groove: Loooong super meter, very tiny parry window compared to 3S, aggravated by the fact that CvS2 is faster than 3S, so that makes parrying more difficult. P lacked also a decent combo system, and that's why they added supercancel (although it's too good without damage reduction I think...).
So, I think that: or you play against P-Groove masters, or you are too predictable and get parried easily.
only one guy can kick my butt with the P groove, he is way too good,
parry it cheap, they can jump ( no anti-air can work on them) so yeah P Groove masters are the most powerful guys you goning to meet.
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| Dragon-warrior 801th Post
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| "Re(6):CvS2 EO *gameplay* changes." , posted Sun 9 Feb 18:03:
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only one guy can kick my butt with the P groove, he is way too good,
parry it cheap, they can jump ( no anti-air can work on them) so yeah P Groove masters are the most powerful guys you goning to meet.
try mixing your moves up. here's an example
- jump at the guy (don't attack)
- when you land, sweep or aim low
- or when you land, throw the guy
it's still hard for me to do things like that. i don't feel safe in the air unless i'm attacking, and i tend to play way too aggressively. but i learned that tactic from Hagen, who developed it to counter my Geese >_<
I have been playing fighting games since SF2 I know alot about these stuff, but the guy I am playing with rarely misses a Super and he really focus, he knows in a known time if you didn't attack then you are done for good he can attack you with no fear, it is hard to play with such a guy, belive me.
the only way is to play in his was choose P groove then it is up to th skill.
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| Juke Joint Jezebel 1499th Post
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|  "Re(7):CvS2 EO *gameplay* changes."
, posted Sun 9 Feb 19:08
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only one guy can kick my butt with the P groove, he is way too good,
parry it cheap, they can jump ( no anti-air can work on them) so yeah P Groove masters are the most powerful guys you goning to meet.
try mixing your moves up. here's an example
- jump at the guy (don't attack)
- when you land, sweep or aim low
- or when you land, throw the guy
it's still hard for me to do things like that. i don't feel safe in the air unless i'm attacking, and i tend to play way too aggressively. but i learned that tactic from Hagen, who developed it to counter my Geese >_<
I have been playing fighting games since SF2 I know alot about these stuff, but the guy I am playing with rarely misses a Super and he really focus, he knows in a known time if you didn't attack then you are done for good he can attack you with no fear, it is hard to play with such a guy, belive me.
the only way is to play in his was choose P groove then it is up to th skill.
ah yeah
i guess i've gotta see the guy play to give you specific tips. uhhh, good luck? :D
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| ZamIAm 870th Post
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| "LIVE" , posted Sun 9 Feb 20:33
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Yeah. I don't know if you know this (if you visit shoryuken.com you will), but Capcom, instead of being lazy and just port the game, made some little (and not so little) changes to the game (GC and XBox versions):
- P-Groove now has supercancel! It's just as adding supercancel to P-Groove in the groove edit mode in the DC and PS2 versions. Some characters improove VERY much, like Iori, or Kim. Iori can do cr.LKx3, qcb+HP*3, supercancel into Maiden Masher. Easy and damaging. Kim can do cr.LKx3, d,u+HP, supercancel in the third hit into Houou Tenbu Kyaku (air super), among other things.
- S-Groove meter charges faster, and dissipates slower. Not a big change, but it was needed anyway. S-Athena will be now more fearsome!
- Some characters have been toned down strengh-wise. They now deal 5% less damage than the arcade, DC and PS2 versions. They are Sagat, Blanka, Cammy, Bison and a few more that I don't remember. 5% is not that much of a change, but better than nothing. Sagat and Blanka deserved at least that.
- Conversely, some characters have been toned up strenght-wise. The 5% more damage is applied to Maki, Kyosuke, Eagle (Did he needed this???), and more that I don't remember. I'm pretty sure that Yun hasn't been changed, what is stupid. Again, the change is not very spectacular, but except from Eagle, needed.
- And lastly (I think), some characters have now more life: Yun and Kyosuke. That was really needed, although I don't know how much life they gained.
- Oh! Roll Cancel is out, too. Well, you can RC, but won't gain the roll invincibility anymore.
I don't know what do you think, but I like this changes, even when P-Groove can be too good now with certain chars (there isn't ant damage reduction in the supercancel).
I think that this is great news that they are balancing it out. I hope they make somewhat of a similar attempt for the upcoming MvC2 Live release.
Now if only our cover art didn't suck and there were better in-game manuals...
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| OYashiroForever
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| "CvS2/MvC2 EO" , posted Sun 9 Feb 22:03:
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I don't know what do you think, but I like this changes, even when P-Groove can be too good now with certain chars (there isn't ant damage reduction in the supercancel).
I think that this is great news that they are balancing it out. I hope they make somewhat of a similar attempt for the upcoming MvC2 Live release.
Now if only our cover art didn't suck and there were better in-game manuals...
Assuming we even get MvC2... it's been taken off of Capcom's website and been pushed way back on several retailers web sites. The question is, of course: is this because of that new Activision Marvel exclusivity deal or is it because Capcom's putting forth some kind of effort to minimize lag and what not. Frankly, they'll have to invoke divine inspiration to get that game to play lag free.
As for the "EO" changes, I'm kinda divided. On the one hand, I think it's nice that Capcom has acknowledged a few of the mistakes they made with the game. Improving P/S Grooves and crippling the powerhouses (Cammy, Blanka, Sagat, Bison) is a step in the right direction (though high-damage wasn't the problem with the first three... it was their ridiculous high-priority normals).
On the other, the removal of roll cancelling rather irks me. One, because it completely changes the way the game is played at high levels.. and two, because RCing was one of the few things that let some of the lesser characters compete against the likes of CBS and A-Bison and Zaki. I'm not a particularly big fan of CvS2 (too slow-paced, too turtle-friendly) and I don't have or plan to purchase an Xbox, so I guess at the end of the day my whining is moot and unnecessary. [whistles and walks away]
Edit: Oh, and AMEN to the better covers and manuals... Capcom USA has been screwing us for years.
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| VariantX
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| "Re(1):CvS2/MvC2 EO" , posted Sun 9 Feb 22:55
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I don't know what do you think, but I like this changes, even when P-Groove can be too good now with certain chars (there isn't ant damage reduction in the supercancel).
I think that this is great news that they are balancing it out. I hope they make somewhat of a similar attempt for the upcoming MvC2 Live release.
Now if only our cover art didn't suck and there were better in-game manuals...
Assuming we even get MvC2... it's been taken off of Capcom's website and been pushed way back on several retailers web sites. The question is, of course: is this because of that new Activision Marvel exclusivity deal or is it because Capcom's putting forth some kind of effort to minimize lag and what not. Frankly, they'll have to invoke divine inspiration to get that game to play lag free.
As for the "EO" changes, I'm kinda divided. On the one hand, I think it's nice that Capcom has acknowledged a few of the mistakes they made with the game. Improving P/S Grooves and crippling the powerhouses (Cammy, Blanka, Sagat, Bison) is a step in the right direction (though high-damage wasn't the problem with the first three... it was their ridiculous high-priority normals).
On the other, the removal of roll cancelling rather irks me. One, because it completely changes the way the game is played at high levels.. and two, because RCing was one of the few things that let some of the lesser characters compete against the likes of CBS and A-Bison and Zaki. I'm not a particularly big fan of CvS2 (too slow-paced, too turtle-friendly) and I don't have or plan to purchase an Xbox, so I guess at the end of the day my whining is moot and unnecessary. [whistles and walks away]
Edit: Oh, and AMEN to the better covers and manuals... Capcom USA has been screwing us for years.
RC is a bug so it got fixed.
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| Time Mage 1207th Post
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| "Re(3):CvS2/MvC2 EO" , posted Mon 10 Feb 01:00
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RC is a bug so it got fixed.
So are guard breaks in MvC2. So were 2-in-1s in SF2:WW. Your point? Yes, it did something not originally envisioned by the designers. Yes, a Blanka ball shouldn't be able to go through a level 3 super. However, RCing was the only thing that saved several characters who were otherwise destroyed by Blanka/Sagat/etc. Do you honestly think decreasingly those guys' damage by 5% is going to even the playing field? 'fraid not.
Like I said, I find CvS2 to be slow and monotonous anyway, so it's really not my place. However, if Capcom's genuinely interested in "fixing" their broken game, RCing is not the first place to start.
The problem with RC is that puts some grooves in disadvantage with the others, aside ffrom being a nasty bug. I mean, it's way better to have near-LV3 invincibility on any ground based move than to be able to guardcrush, extend throw range a little (kara throw in 3S), etc...
I think that the games should be as the designers wanted it to, because that's how the game is tested, and thus is more balanced that way.
In the other hand, that 5% strenght down/up to top/bottom tiers is just ridiculous. Kyosuke will still be bad, and Sagat will still be the best. If they changed some specific things, like giving Sagat's standing and crouching HP a smaller hitbox (thus less priority), and reduce te damage from 1500!! to something like 1300, that could be better. The same for the rest. Cammy is not very damaging, but is a bitch with her HP and HK (I know for sure, I use her...)
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| CrazyMax
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| "Re(5):CvS2 EO *gameplay* changes." , posted Mon 10 Feb 16:28
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$50 for 12 months my friend. After that, it's anyone's guess how much Live will be.
Mechassault rocks!
Now finally perhaps something else for me to play.
But will be renting it first, just in case.
Do games have individual cost? Or does that one cheap lump payment get you unlimited gaming for every online X-Box game you have?
No, you buy Live, it works with all Live games. Unless you're told differently, like Phantasy Star Online, which has it's own charges. Games like Mechassault, CVSSNK2, Unreal, and so on use your Live account that you set up. You pay for it, you can use it to your heart's content.
Limitations, you need a broadband acccount. No dial up.
Second, although they don't say it anywhere, you will also need a credit card to set up your account. It does not get charged, but MS wants an account in case you have to pay for any downloadable content ( Currently all that is offered is said to be free, that can change. Also if you get PSO, they will probably bill the monthly charges to that account )
Hope I answered that clearly enough.
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