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| Grave
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|  "Re(2):Anyone have DMC2 yet?"
, posted Wed 29 Jan 19:09
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Man, sounds like Dino Crisis all over agin, but I guess this is what happens when Shinji Mikami goes off to work on other projects. Hopefully PN03 will make up for this when it hits Japan in March...
Whoa, hold up there! Are you saying Dino Crisis 2 was worse than DC1?
Well, I can't say I was a fan of DC1, the game kinda bored me, but where DC1 gave me nothing to do, DC2 blew me away by giving me the action I've been longing to see in a game like that! To me, that was the first to give me what I desired. Easily replenishable ammo... how'd you get more? You killed more dinos! There's a system I could get into. The game was simplified, but I think it made for a better overall experience. Lots of fun to be had.
And I think DC2 is kinda what led into Onimusha and DMC. That kinda action was an awesome thing. I wish I could find a copy of DC2 today... it's hard to find used. And speaking of Onimusha, I have yet to play the sequel. If DMC2 lets me down, I guess I'll go check Onimusha 2 out.
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| Mog
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| "Re(3):Anyone have DMC2 yet?" , posted Thu 30 Jan 16:45
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Whoa, hold up there! Are you saying Dino Crisis 2 was worse than DC1?
Well, I can't say I was a fan of DC1, the game kinda bored me, but where DC1 gave me nothing to do, DC2 blew me away by giving me the action I've been longing to see in a game like that! To me, that was the first to give me what I desired. Easily replenishable ammo... how'd you get more? You killed more dinos! There's a system I could get into. The game was simplified, but I think it made for a better overall experience. Lots of fun to be had.
Sorry about that. Most people I know prefer DC1 to its sequel, so I made a bad assumption that the feeling was more or less universal. Sounds like we have the exact opposite taste in survival horror games. Personally I like good puzzles, and felt that they were much better done in DC than in RE. More over, DC was the first SH game from Capcom that was full 3D. When DC2 came out, they changed it to a straight action game, and went back to using pre-renders, which to me was a big step backwards.
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I think its a different development team... and Kamiya left to work on Viewtiful Joe instead.
That's more or less what I've heard. Other than Shinji Mikami, I don't know who else from the first game didn't work on the second. Viewtiful Joe looks quiet promissing though...
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| Mosquiton 656th Post
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|  "Well... time to vent..."
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I can't say whether DMC2 is better or worse than the first game but it is different. Anyone expecting Capcom to rehash the game engine from DMC1 is going to be very surprised when they fire up Dante's latest adventure.
I can say with confidence it's much worse from a design standpoint. I can't see that much room for argument... but I won't debate anyone. Just my personal thoughts here.
I won't mention the story except to say that it's very, very shoddy. It's not even cheesy like DMC's, just pathetic.
The lock-on and combo rating system are moronic as well. You can attain the best rating simply by flipping around dodging attacks for several minutes! And what's your reward? You can make your weapons stronger. They don't look any different and you don't get any new moves... fuck that.
After several hours of doing the same goddamn combinations and having Dante do his "shoot straight down" move when I've double jumped to reach an airborne enemy and there are no other goddamned enemies around, much less directly below me... I'm getting tired of it. I miss the easy flow of DMC, where shooting my guns in midair didn't cause me to fucking levitate so high off the ground I can't continue my combo or see what the hell is going on below me.
Hell, you can just dodge and shoot your way through the entire game... twice! Dante and Lucia are practically the same character anyway. The bosses are really weak too. Grr.
They didn't fix the camera at all, if anything it's more confusing because of the wide-open indistinct areas. DMC might have been jarring, but I never found myself fiddling with the right analog stick in vain to try and adjust the camera. Just which corner of this boring green room am I on? Don't get me wrong, I was a fan of the visual design from what I saw before the game was released... but things look simple and bland for the most part.
What let me down the most is when I had to do about 10 minutes of running around in wide open spaces with the camera zoomed out to where Dante takes up 2 two inches on my TV screen trying to figure out what unmarked corner of the map I'm supposed to run to... only to cross an invisible line and be lead to another section where I shoot at zombie helicopter with absolutely no goddamned AI at all before making pain-in-my-ass jumps up a flaming series of platforms and then from roof to roof with almost no enemies to speak of... then shooting the zombie helicopter AGAIN... and AGAIN... and AGAIN... for 6 or 7 minutes until he dies. That's NOT stylish hard action mother#*@*$%s.
I'm still playing the game for what it's worth, but it's a piss-poor sequel and I can barely bring myself to call it a decent game. I'll look forward to P.N.03 now instead... that's a comforting thought.
I'd recommend you guys check out the budget title "Seek and Destroy", which is what I've been playing instead lately. You can get it new on Ebgames.com for $9.99, and it models over 100 real-world tanks with a lot of customization and some SD craziness thrown in.
Honestly this is the worst preorder I've ever made... really didn't expect the game to turn out like this. Not that I hold it against Capcom, just the producer and director. Way to screw up a great formula guys.
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| Iron D 2125th Post
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| "Re(1):Well... time to vent..." , posted Fri 31 Jan 17:20
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I can say with confidence it's much worse from a design standpoint. I can't see that much room for argument... but I won't debate anyone. Just my personal thoughts here.
I won't mention the story except to say that it's very, very shoddy. It's not even cheesy like DMC's, just pathetic.
The lock-on and combo rating system are moronic as well. You can attain the best rating simply by flipping around dodging attacks for several minutes! And what's your reward? You can make your weapons stronger. They don't look any different and you don't get any new moves... fuck that.
After several hours of doing the same goddamn combinations and having Dante do his "shoot straight down" move when I've double jumped to reach an airborne enemy and there are no other goddamned enemies around, much less directly below me... I'm getting tired of it. I miss the easy flow of DMC, where shooting my guns in midair didn't cause me to fucking levitate so high off the ground I can't continue my combo or see what the hell is going on below me.
Hell, you can just dodge and shoot your way through the entire game... twice! Dante and Lucia are practically the same character anyway. The bosses are really weak too. Grr.
They didn't fix the camera at all, if anything it's more confusing because of the wide-open indistinct areas. DMC might have been jarring, but I never found myself fiddling with the right analog stick in vain to try and adjust the camera. Just which corner of this boring green room am I on? Don't get me wrong, I was a fan of the visual design from what I saw before the game was released... but things look simple and bland for the most part.
What let me down the most is when I had to do about 10 minutes of running around in wide open spaces with the camera zoomed out to where Dante takes up 2 two inches on my TV screen trying to figure out what unmarked corner of the map I'm supposed to run to... only to cross an invisible line and be lead to another section where I shoot at zombie helicopter with absolutely no goddamned AI at all before making pain-in-my-ass jumps up a flaming series of platforms and then from roof to roof with almost no enemies to speak of... then shooting the zombie helicopter AGAIN... and AGAIN... and AGAIN... for 6 or 7 minutes until he dies. That's NOT stylish hard action mother#*@*$%s.
I'm still playing the game for what it's worth, but it's a piss-poor sequel and I can barely bring myself to call it a decent game. I'll look forward to P.N.03 now instead... that's a comforting thought.
I'd recommend you guys check out the budget title "Seek and Destroy", which is what I've been playing instead lately. You can get it new on Ebgames.com for $9.99, and it models over 100 real-world tanks with a lot of customization and some SD craziness thrown in.
Honestly this is the worst preorder I've ever made... really didn't expect the game to turn out like this. Not that I hold it against Capcom, just the producer and director. Way to screw up a great formula guys.
Blast it, blast it, blast it, blast it, blast it, BLAST IT!
And my hopes for this game were oh so high!
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| CrazyMax
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| "Re(1):Well... time to vent..." , posted Fri 31 Jan 19:15
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I can't say whether DMC2 is better or worse than the first game but it is different. Anyone expecting Capcom to rehash the game engine from DMC1 is going to be very surprised when they fire up Dante's latest adventure.
I can say with confidence it's much worse from a design standpoint. I can't see that much room for argument... but I won't debate anyone. Just my personal thoughts here.
I won't mention the story except to say that it's very, very shoddy. It's not even cheesy like DMC's, just pathetic.
The lock-on and combo rating system are moronic as well. You can attain the best rating simply by flipping around dodging attacks for several minutes! And what's your reward? You can make your weapons stronger. They don't look any different and you don't get any new moves... fuck that.
After several hours of doing the same goddamn combinations and having Dante do his "shoot straight down" move when I've double jumped to reach an airborne enemy and there are no other goddamned enemies around, much less directly below me... I'm getting tired of it. I miss the easy flow of DMC, where shooting my guns in midair didn't cause me to fucking levitate so high off the ground I can't continue my combo or see what the hell is going on below me.
Hell, you can just dodge and shoot your way through the entire game... twice! Dante and Lucia are practically the same character anyway. The bosses are really weak too. Grr.
They didn't fix the camera at all, if anything it's more confusing because of the wide-open indistinct areas. DMC might have been jarring, but I never found myself fiddling with the right analog stick in vain to try and adjust the camera. Just which corner of this boring green room am I on? Don't get me wrong, I was a fan of the visual design from what I saw before the game was released... but things look simple and bland for the most part.
What let me down the most is when I had to do about 10 minutes of running around in wide open spaces with the camera zoomed out to where Dante takes up 2 two inches on my TV screen trying to figure out what unmarked corner of the map I'm supposed to run to... only to cross an invisible line and be lead to another section where I shoot at zombie helicopter with absolutely no goddamned AI at all before making pain-in-my-ass jumps up a flaming series of platforms and then from roof to roof with almost no enemies to speak of... then shooting the zombie helicopter AGAIN... and AGAIN... and AGAIN... for 6 or 7 minutes until he dies. That's NOT stylish hard action mother#*@*$%s.
I'm still playing the game for what it's worth, but it's a piss-poor sequel and I can barely bring myself to call it a decent game. I'll look forward to P.N.03 now instead... that's a comforting thought.
I'd recommend you guys check out the budget title "Seek and Destroy", which is what I've been playing instead lately. You can get it new on Ebgames.com for $9.99, and it models over 100 real-world tanks with a lot of customization and some SD craziness thrown in.
Honestly this is the worst preorder I've ever made... really didn't expect the game to turn out like this. Not that I hold it against Capcom, just the producer and director. Way to screw up a great formula guys.
The man hit it dead on! I just rented the game and have been playing it for an hour or so and I am numb. Yeah there are a few cool new things...
The running up walls to get combos started and get to areas. But then again, you can just double jump.
The way you can shoot two targets now at the same time is really cool to see. But soon enough you get a shotgun which makes that moot.
And...
Well, so far that is about it...
And the camera... AARRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!
It should be considered an enemy. Take the camera from Resident Evil 1, and make it more contrary.
And surprisingly... The game is easy.
Man. I am bumming. I got so psyched for War of the Monsters, only to find it's targeting system was a bigger threat than any monster in the game. ( It is fun, but it can wear your patience as well. Not something I ask for in a game. )
This reinforces why I love 2 - D games. Camera angles and targeting are not an issue with them. Bring on Guilty Gear X2 & Capcom VS SNK 2 EO Live!
On the flipside, I'm still enjoying the hell out of Mechassault where they get the camera & targeting thing down pat!
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| Ishmael 460th Post
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| "Re(2):Well... time to vent..." , posted Sun 2 Feb 13:42
When looking for thoughtful, even-handed reviews I always turn to... the guy that does 8-bit theatre? While I liked DMC1 it wasn't without things that bothered me. For instance, I found the powering up of moves to be a tedious bore and felt that every time Dante opened his mouth something stupid fell out. So while I really liked DMC1 I didn't think it was the be-all end-all of action games. That said, DMC2 is a weird game in that there are so many problems with it I can't recommend it but I still enjoy playing it for some reason. There's plenty of bad stuff to go around. The entire helicopter level plays like something out of one of those Activision Spider-Man games and should never have made it into the final cut of the game, parts of the game are disturbingly easy, most of the bosses have easy to find safe-spots where you can plug them with impunity, and many other complaints that I'm sure have been posted on various message boards the world over. Even with all that there are things in the game I like. The characters handle just fine for me once I started to figure out how to use their moves, the goofy Gungrave style combo engine is amusing, I like that they tried to break up the plot into sort of a RE2 style presentation with Lucia getting her own missions complete with swimming levels, and running up the side of a wall in order to jump down and bonk someone on the head with a sword appeals to me more than I ever thought it would. Again, there are enough flubs and bad bits of programming to give you the impression that the game could have easily used another 3-6 months development time but I'm still certain I'll be sticking with the game until I unlock Trish and any other goodies that might be inside. While DMC2 isn't as good as all that it isn't as bad as that either.
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| Grave
118th Post
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| "Yep, I've got it too now.." , posted Sun 2 Feb 21:21
I couldn't help myself! And it only cost me $30, so I figured it'd be worth it no matter what.
I won't lie, I'm disappointed. I knew I would be, but all these impressions had me prepared for the worst, and... well, it's not that bad.
Don't get me wrong, it's not that good either. This game is not as good as DMC1. If you crave insane, stylish action at a breakneck pace and you've already finished DMC1, Gungrave, and Shinobi, well, I guess this is all you've got. A word to the wise and DMCless: If Circuit City is still selling this game along with DMC1 for $50, go get it. Both of these titles for $50 is a steal, because DMC1 is still worth it.
But for the rest of you, I guess I have to agree that you want to rent this first.
Yes, the camera angles are awful. Yes, some of the level design is very questionable. The gameplay is insultingly easy at times, but... I continue to play. Yes, the gameplay can be repetetive, but so could the first's. And I happen to enjoy both. Why?
I can't really say. There's something about these games that really appeals to me, though. That stylish, action-movie sort of gameplay doesn't really demand depth. It looks cool, it feels cool, thus I enjoy it.
The combo system initially feels strange until you learn how to keep it moving by shooting and doing cool manuevers to keep it pleased. It's not bad.
The amulet item system is pretty cool. So is running up/on walls. Multidirectional shooting? Completely badass.
And I guess that's what this game is. Badass. Very little more or less. The plot is nonexistant, but you probably won't care. I know I don't.
I'm having fun with it. But I encourage you to rent it first. I don't want to have anyone blow $50 and then be mad at me for it... but you should ignore some of the more vicious reviews. I think it's another example of people wanting too much out of a game. I like things I can pick up and play, because they're fun. It doesn't take a while to get into them, and you can play them for a hour or a half and you can stop whenever you want. DMC2 is that kind of game.
No, it's not a big upgrade from the first. Hell, some will say it's not an upgrade at all. I might agree. It's not a great game, but it's not a bad one either. I know I'll be playing it in the periods of time where I just can't commit to working on DW7.
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