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| crom
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|  "Poll:How are mangas going in your country?"
, posted Mon 27 Jan 09:58
I'm in austria, so german speaking theritory and so far mangas are really sucsessfull. Allmost everything sells as wer even get a legend of mana-manga even tough the game never made it here! Also, half of mangas are in the original reading direction, format size is allways original. We also get some low profile stuff like Blame or Eagle- very cool. There is even german-made mangas! But alas, we also get loads of crap- every manga that features gay men in love has been published yet I think. Note that I'm not saying that something is bad just because it features homosexuallity, it just seems that this stuff is very popular among female readers and the publishers use this to publish allmost everything- you just need two men kissing on the cover- it's going to sell. Also, interesting compared to the US-comic market are the numbers of female readers- more than 50%!
The best selling manga yet has been dragon ball Z, also Sailor moon sells like stupid (tough no one would ever admit buying it).
Oh and the prices: you pay 5 for the best-selling mangas (200 Pages, manga format), 6for lesser selling or adult (note: NOT porn, violence) and 6.5 to 7 for low profile and different format mangas (golden boy). Collor mangas cost about 10-14. Artbooks are friggin' nuts- 35 usually.
Also there is a comic-stores only publisher, the bring out "berserk" and lesser known stuff but cost more -8 per manga.
well, how about other countries?
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| GekigangerV 302th Post
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| "Re(1):Poll:How are mangas going in your count" , posted Mon 27 Jan 11:02
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I'm in austria, so german speaking theritory and so far mangas are really sucsessfull. Allmost everything sells as wer even get a legend of mana-manga even tough the game never made it here! Also, half of mangas are in the original reading direction, format size is allways original. We also get some low profile stuff like Blame or Eagle- very cool. There is even german-made mangas! But alas, we also get loads of crap- every manga that features gay men in love has been published yet I think. Note that I'm not saying that something is bad just because it features homosexuallity, it just seems that this stuff is very popular among female readers and the publishers use this to publish allmost everything- you just need two men kissing on the cover- it's going to sell. Also, interesting compared to the US-comic market are the numbers of female readers- more than 50%!
The best selling manga yet has been dragon ball Z, also Sailor moon sells like stupid (tough no one would ever admit buying it).
Oh and the prices: you pay 5 for the best-selling mangas (200 Pages, manga format), 6for lesser selling or adult (note: NOT porn, violence) and 6.5 to 7 for low profile and different format mangas (golden boy). Collor mangas cost about 10-14. Artbooks are friggin' nuts- 35 usually.
Also there is a comic-stores only publisher, the bring out "berserk" and lesser known stuff but cost more -8 per manga.
well, how about other countries?
5 euros for mangas? 5 euros! That is cheap. Most here are $10 US dollars, about 9 euros. A company in the US called Tokyo Pop is running a lot of mangas here. They are in tehir orignal right to left format and they label them as "100% Authenic Manga" Although for Initial D, a series I am crazy over, they westernized the names. A guy named Takeshi Nakasato becomes Zack and a few others are changed, however, a couple are just changed to initials(not too bad of a change). I am not too sure of a US top selling chart of Mangas so I dont know which are best selling.
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| Time Mage 1176th Post
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| "Re(1):Poll:How are mangas going in your count" , posted Mon 27 Jan 14:06
Well, here in Spain we are getting more and more mangas, not to the point to have Legend of Mana manga, but we get also rarities like Blame! and Dragon Head.
However, the price is not as in Austria, we have the tomes at prices that vary from 6 € to 7.5 €, depending on the editorial and the format of the tome that is, with overcovers (is that even a word?? :P) or not, with color pages or not...
A great quantity of the popular shonen manga is published here, along with many other mangas, from shojo to odd adult ones to hentai or yaoi.
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| Sensenic 250th Post
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| "Re(2):Poll:How are mangas going in your count" , posted Mon 27 Jan 15:02:
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Well, here in Spain we are getting more and more mangas, not to the point to have Legend of Mana manga, but we get also rarities like Blame! and Dragon Head.
However, the price is not as in Austria, we have the tomes at prices that vary from 6 € to 7.5 €, depending on the editorial and the format of the tome that is, with overcovers (is that even a word?? :P) or not, with color pages or not...
A great quantity of the popular shonen manga is published here, along with many other mangas, from shojo to odd adult ones to hentai or yaoi.
Spanish here too, I must point the bad aspects since TM pointed the (few?) good ones:
1- The tome format has only been really adopted recently by many new publishers that have been appearing, since until now we had (and still have) the "biblioteca manga" ("manga library", literal translation) format, by "Planeta de Agostini" publishing, that consists in 2 "biblioteca" books = 1 tome. Each book's cheaper than a tome, but not much, so both 2 together are clearly more expensive than a tome, dammit....
And before, there was only the comic book format (ala American superheroes comics)  by the same publishers. Must say, though, that they've abandoned this one and that they were (one of) the first publishers to seriously publish some manga here (Ya know, DragonBall and stuff...)
2- The pages have always been, and still are being, flipped, so they're read in the western way. And that specially spoils many mangas, being one of my most liked ones, Detective Conan, a perfect example since many cases get solved thanks to the right/left stuff and they always have to be changing it, adding side-notes, etc. If you read the Star Wars manga it'll be like watching the movies in a mirror...ugh .
Luckily many of the new publishers are slowly changing this situation now...
3- Even though we're getting a lot of classical and good new material thanks to the new publishers and "PdA"'s changed policy, we still lack many classic series and we're waaay behind, calendar-wise: keeping with the same example, we're in tome nบ 19 of Detective Conan and it'll only be surely published until 22. After that, we can only wait, hope & see...  If the continuation's finally published, it'll be so damn late...
Oh! BTW, if someone knows, how is Conan going there? Is it finished? Still going? Which tome right now?
EDIT: wow! 250, I'm half way to the half way to the 1000 posts! 
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| Gen 1227th Post
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| "Re(1):Poll:How are mangas going in your count" , posted Mon 27 Jan 16:09
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I'm in austria, so german speaking theritory and so far mangas are really sucsessfull. Allmost everything sells as wer even get a legend of mana-manga even tough the game never made it here! Also, half of mangas are in the original reading direction, format size is allways original. We also get some low profile stuff like Blame or Eagle- very cool. There is even german-made mangas! But alas, we also get loads of crap- every manga that features gay men in love has been published yet I think. Note that I'm not saying that something is bad just because it features homosexuallity, it just seems that this stuff is very popular among female readers and the publishers use this to publish allmost everything- you just need two men kissing on the cover- it's going to sell. Also, interesting compared to the US-comic market are the numbers of female readers- more than 50%!
The best selling manga yet has been dragon ball Z, also Sailor moon sells like stupid (tough no one would ever admit buying it).
Oh and the prices: you pay 5 for the best-selling mangas (200 Pages, manga format), 6for lesser selling or adult (note: NOT porn, violence) and 6.5 to 7 for low profile and different format mangas (golden boy). Collor mangas cost about 10-14. Artbooks are friggin' nuts- 35 usually.
Also there is a comic-stores only publisher, the bring out "berserk" and lesser known stuff but cost more -8 per manga.
well, how about other countries?
For me it's not that good because two of the closest and best Japanese comics and related goods shops closed and their inventory presumably moved back to Japan. I think some of the "yaoi" artists waste their talent on it. For example I really like Sachiyo Sawauchi's drawings and story telling, but I'd rather not read some of her intentionally disturbing stuff to get to the story telling ability and drawing ability.  I'm thinking of requesting her to do some straight stuff. Hehe I see that you put in a few lines saying how even though you said phrase 'gay men in love' it doesn't mean that you're anti-homosexual. I'm getting tired of writing disclaimer paragraphs for things that aren't really offensive. I think some people just enjoy being offended and go out of their way to look for things to piss them selves off, and then they usually rebuttal to arguments that the original rhetoric didn't actually make. If I have the courage and mental ability to read through a 'yaoi' story or two in my quest to find and learn about a good illustrator, and am able to still see the story telling and drawing aspects, how anti-homosexual could I be? Sachiyo has done many non 'yaoi' stuff too. Is it too un-P.C. to prefer straight artwork? Now I'm going on a software translation, but when I said intentionally disturbing, it's true, people have heralded her on message boards saying "you're drawings have the ability to disturb!" They said it in praise, and she responded thanking them for the complement. I believe there is nothing wrong with wanting her to apply her talents, more so than she already does now, and even including that 'ability to disturb', to a manga that is not focused around a male-male sexual relationship.
Manga here are generally more expensive than Austria, as mentioned in post above. I've been collecting Japanese language books, and in rare instances I buy localized versions. Actually I can't think of any English translated Japanese manga that I own right now. So anyway being someone who buys imports its not super great, but for popular mangas that have been translated into English it wouldn't be that bad, most shops that carry comics will have at least a shelf of translated manga. When I went to the San Diego Comic Convention it put me in the move to check out the American comic and sci-fi/fantasy scene though I haven't actually bought any new American comics yet, nor in a while.
There are more manga today that are printed in original direction instead of being reversed to accommodate reading direction. It's still done quite a bit today, but years ago it was done more. I've heard manga artists say things like that they don't mind if the manga is adapted for foreign countries, but it is a bit weird when people are driving their cars on the wrong side of the street and driving foreign cars with the steering wheel on the wrong side to boot.
Dragon Ball Z is overly popular here, Sailor Moon is kind of a few years back. It's easy for a long time anime fan to dislike the popularity of the 80s series Dragon Ball when little spankers can buy knock off Dragon Ball t-shirts in skate shops. I haven't seen the stats but I'd guess Dragon Ball is the most popular comic. In typical book stores that don't specialize in Japanese products, you can buy several translated books of Dragon Ball.
Starting durring the 90s, you could see more and more Japanese manga influence on American comic books over the years. In a much smaller amount, you could see American comic book influence increasing on Japanese comics too.
So there are many American comics that look like wanna be manga, pseudo wanna be manga, half wanna be manga half American, American fan art of Japanese anime and manga, fan art mixed with American comic style, and graffiti mixed with fan art style.
There are also Japanese illustrators drawing for English comics now, like the excelent Yoshitaka Amano has done. Kia Asamiya is now an X-men penciler and cover artist.
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| Time Mage 1177th Post
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| "Re(3):Poll:How are mangas going in your count" , posted Tue 28 Jan 04:37
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Spanish here too, I must point the bad aspects since TM pointed the (few?) good ones:
1- The tome format has only been really adopted recently by many new publishers that have been appearing, since until now we had (and still have) the "biblioteca manga" ("manga library", literal translation) format, by "Planeta de Agostini" publishing, that consists in 2 "biblioteca" books = 1 tome. Each book's cheaper than a tome, but not much, so both 2 together are clearly more expensive than a tome, dammit....
And before, there was only the comic book format (ala American superheroes comics) by the same publishers. Must say, though, that they've abandoned this one and that they were (one of) the first publishers to seriously publish some manga here (Ya know, DragonBall and stuff...)
2- The pages have always been, and still are being, flipped, so they're read in the western way. And that specially spoils many mangas, being one of my most liked ones, Detective Conan, a perfect example since many cases get solved thanks to the right/left stuff and they always have to be changing it, adding side-notes, etc. If you read the Star Wars manga it'll be like watching the movies in a mirror...ugh.
Luckily many of the new publishers are slowly changing this situation now...
3- Even though we're getting a lot of classical and good new material thanks to the new publishers and "PdA"'s changed policy, we still lack many classic series and we're waaay behind, calendar-wise: keeping with the same example, we're in tome nบ 19 of Detective Conan and it'll only be surely published until 22. After that, we can only wait, hope & see... If the continuation's finally published, it'll be so damn late...
Oh! BTW, if someone knows, how is Conan going there? Is it finished? Still going? Which tome right now?
EDIT: wow! 250, I'm half way to the half way to the 1000 posts!
Well, you're totally right there, I only wanted to be positive... Gl้nat and Ivrea are doing very good, I think. Planeta and Norma... CRAP!!!
If only some editorial continued ARMS... (originally published by Planeta until tome 4 or so... then they stopped... DAMN!!)
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| crom
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| "Re(3):Is there censorship?" , posted Tue 28 Jan 09:14
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Isn't the French manga market the biggest (talking about number of official French adaptation titles) in the non asian world ?
As far as I know, yes. In Europe, top are France, Germany/Austria (because of what crom has told us, they could be perfectly #1 in Europe), probably Italy (but I don't know), and Spain.
Italy has the cheapest mangas- I heard that Blame in italy costs under 4! Then again we get it on great paper.
How about editing?
As far as i can say, no manga is censored over here, tough sometimes (rarely) they take
the collo-sites out. And stuff like Shamo (awfull manga, by the way) is sold in a protective hull with a big "18" sticker. also, some artists that can't even manage to get published in japan anymore tend to sell over here (Dark Angel sold like stupid, we even got the artists Batman-comic before the americans did). No names are changed, and in case of hard-to translate stuff, we get editornal pages with explanation of the japanese culture.
and yeah, I'm positive that france is the best market outside asia- in case of less selling mangas like Blame, our publisher waits for the french publisher to get the copies first, THEN borrows them from france.
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| DKW
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| "Re(5):Poll:How are mangas going in your count" , posted Tue 28 Jan 12:08
One of the nice things about living in a cultural crossroads like Hawaii is that you get access to cool stuff from all over the world. Manga being no exception (even Borders has it).
Finding good manga, that's where the challenge lies. Is it just me, or are too many lazy artists content to recycle the same dumb gags/conventions/cliches over and over into perpetuity? (I swear that at least 80% of Love Hina was intially found in Japanese cave paintings.)
In any case, my complete collection.
Ranma 1/2 (everything to date): A wickedly funny classic. Rumiko Takashi's irreverant take on the conventions of martial arts and love stories alike is brilliant. Just a wild, fun ride that keeps going and going and going.
Urusei Yatsura (everything to date): Takahashi's first serious work. Weird (by manga standards), wacky, and thorougly nonserious throughout.
Oh My Goddess (the first volume by Dark Horse Publishing): Eh...some fans love this, but it's not really my style. It's completely lightweight, harmless fun...with real-life human issues. Awkward.
Fist of the North Star (everything to date): A great classic, with some of the most powerful drama I've ever seen. The violence actually isn't bad at all if you're used to it. Just a powerful, moving...and entertaining!...story that treats very seriously the subject that Ranma 1/2 parodies.
Samurai Shodown: This was a one-shot independent work published by Viz (the premiere American manga source prior to Tokyopop). Decent story, but nothing special. Might be worth it if you're a big fan of the game.
Initial D (volume 4; will eventually get the whole collection): A fascinating series by "new school" artist Shuichi Shigeno. You don't have to be a racing fan to appreciate the level of detail he put into the races...I've never seen someone convey the racing experience with still pictures this vividly before. There's a heck of a story here, too, and you definitely should not allow the racing action to overshadow the people involved.
About the format. I think the best way to handle this would've been to simply print the pages in reverse order, then include a little section at the front on how to read them. What Tokyopop's done, though, is probably the next best choice. There are a lot of times where you want to keep right and left where they are.
Also, the anime adaptaions of all the mangas I mentioned do NO justice to the original works. None whatsoever. (Initial D isn't out yet, but I'm not getting my hopes up.)
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| Genjuro 355th Post
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| "Re(1):Poll:How are mangas going in your count" , posted Tue 28 Jan 12:46
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I'm in austria, so german speaking theritory and so far mangas are really sucsessfull. Allmost everything sells as wer even get a legend of mana-manga even tough the game never made it here! Also, half of mangas are in the original reading direction, format size is allways original. We also get some low profile stuff like Blame or Eagle- very cool. There is even german-made mangas! But alas, we also get loads of crap- every manga that features gay men in love has been published yet I think. Note that I'm not saying that something is bad just because it features homosexuallity, it just seems that this stuff is very popular among female readers and the publishers use this to publish allmost everything- you just need two men kissing on the cover- it's going to sell. Also, interesting compared to the US-comic market are the numbers of female readers- more than 50%!
The best selling manga yet has been dragon ball Z, also Sailor moon sells like stupid (tough no one would ever admit buying it).
Oh and the prices: you pay 5€ for the best-selling mangas (200 Pages, manga format), 6€for lesser selling or adult (note: NOT porn, violence) and 6.5€ to 7€ for low profile and different format mangas (golden boy). Collor mangas cost about 10€-14€. Artbooks are friggin' nuts- 35€ usually.
Also there is a comic-stores only publisher, the bring out "berserk" and lesser known stuff but cost more -8€ per manga.
well, how about other countries?
what mangas?
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Both you guys were close.
The chicks here are either fat-ass hoes who think they're hot or stuck-up chicks. 
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