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| Luisinan
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|  "In a new 2D-Fighter- What would excite you?"
, posted Sun 5 Jan 18:13:
No seriously. People get excited about new 2D fighters- that's natural. But what would really excite you if you saw a new 2D fighter?
I'm at the point where I want the next sequel. I want SFA4, SF4, DS4, CVS3, MvC3, etc. But I'm no longer excited about any of the older games. And I feel like I don't get as excited anymore when a new game or sequel is announced.
I personally feel that Capcom has reached the height of 2D versus fighting games. SFA3, 3S, MvC2 and CvS2 are the best of the best- you can't go higher?
I remember when SFA and SFA2 came out. Every time I played it felt like the first time. Everything felt new and everything felt great. And this feeling lasted a long time. I got this feeling with XvSF too.
When SFA3 came out, I was super excited. But then it quickly went away. Same with MSHvSF and MvC1.
And KOF. People, KOF is great but its basically the same game every year with modified movelists and priorities.
Maybe I guess what I'm thinking is that I want more of the same, but I want something new. A new 2D fighting series from Capcom, and SNK. SF4 maybe. Or a side story, with some SF, some Final Fight characters, some new characters and something totally new, but also the same.
Anyway, sorry for ranting. I'm just getting old and miss the old days when arcades felt a little bit more special.
We've had multiple characters (SF2), multi bar super combos (SFA), weird characters and gameplay (DS), easy combos and cool specials (MSH), tag teams (XvSF), Parrying (SF3), ISMs and CCs (SFA3), 3 man tag teams (MvC), 6 Grooves (CvS2).
What's next?
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| whitesword 1211th Post
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| "Re(1):In a new 2D-Fighter- What would excite " , posted Sun 5 Jan 18:27
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We've had multiple characters (SF2), multi bar super combos (SFA), weird characters and gameplay (DS), easy combos and cool specials (MSH), tag teams (XvSF), Parrying (SF3), ISMs and CCs (SFA3), 3 man tag teams (MvC), 6 Grooves (CvS2).
What's next?
Customizable normal, special, and possibly super moves!
Don't like your Ryu's Low Roundhouse? Switch it with his Low Forward to get a quicker sweep with less range & priority on his MK, and a slide kick on his HK! Don't like the Shippu Jinrai Kyaku as a super? Turn it into a multiple commands special moves instead! The possibilites are endless!
And the development time for a game like that would also seem endless if they actually try to make it balanced!
T-Link Sword!!!
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| Radish 721th Post
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| "Re(1):In a new 2D-Fighter- What would excite" , posted Sun 5 Jan 18:33:
quote:
No seriously. People get excited about new 2D fighters- that's natural. But what would really excite you if you saw a new 2D fighter?
I'm at the point where I want the next sequel. I want SFA4, SF4, DS4, CVS3, MvC3, etc. But I'm no longer excited about any of the older games. And I feel like I don't get as excited anymore when a new game or sequel is announced.
I personally feel that Capcom has reached the height of 2D versus fighting games. SFA3, 3S, MvC2 and CvS2 are the best of the best- you can't go higher?
I remember when SFA and SFA2 came out. Every time I played it felt like the first time. Everything felt new and everything felt great. And this feeling lasted a long time. I got this feeling with XvSF too.
When SFA3 came out, I was super excited. But then it quickly went away. Same with MSHvSF and MvC1.
And KOF. People, KOF is great but its basically the same game every year with modified movelists and priorities.
Maybe I guess what I'm thinking is that I want more of the same, but I want something new. A new 2D fighting series from Capcom, and SNK. SF4 maybe. Or a side story, with some SF, some Final Fight characters, some new characters and something totally new, but also the same.
Anyway, sorry for ranting. I'm just getting old and miss the old days when arcades felt a little bit more special.
We've had multiple characters (SF2), multi bar super combos (SFA), weird characters and gameplay (DS), easy combos and cool specials (MSH), tag teams (XvSF), Parrying (SF3), ISMs and CCs (SFA3), 3 man tag teams (MvC), 6 Grooves (CvS2).
What's next?
I'm a whore for flash and graphics really. I know Capcom isn't going to do another, but I think a new 2D Vampire game that really took advantage of the technology would be really cool. I don't like TOO much stuff to master, (parries were really my limit and I never could pull them off instinctively) so I wouldn't want any real change to the gameplay. I just think seeing a new Lei-Lei sprite would be cool.
Plus this would allow Capcom to make a new Morrigan sprite, something they've been putting off a bit too long.
[this message was edited by Radish on Sun 5 Jan 18:36] |
| Gen 1138th Post
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| "Re(1):In a new 2D-Fighter- What would excite " , posted Sun 5 Jan 18:35
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No seriously. People get excited about new 2D fighters- that's natural. But what would really excite you if you saw a new 2D fighter?
I'm at the point where I want the next sequel. I want SFA4, SF4, DS4, CVS3, MvC3, etc. But I'm no longer excited about any of the older games. And I feel like I don't get as excited anymore when a new game or sequel is announced.
I personally feel that Capcom has reached the height of 2D versus fighting games. SFA3, 3S, MvC2 and CvS2 are the best of the best- you can't go higher?
I used to be a big Capcom fan but I've kind of given up on them. For me Capcom's fighting games peaked with Zero 2.
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I remember when SFA and SFA2 came out. Every time I played it felt like the first time. Everything felt new and everything felt great. And this feeling lasted a long time. I got this feeling with XvSF too.
Memories...
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When SFA3 came out, I was super excited. But then it quickly went away. Same with MSHvSF and MvC1.
And KOF. People, KOF is great but its basically the same game every year with modified movelists and priorities.
I'm an SNK man but I agree, KOF needs bigger changes fast, they need to give us something special after cheaping us with the dream match and such.
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Maybe I guess what I'm thinking is that I want more of the same, but I want something new. A new 2D fighting series from Capcom, and SNK. SF4 maybe. Or a side story, with some SF, some Final Fight characters, some new characters and something totally new, but also the same.
A new game from them might be a good idea. Also side story might be good too.
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Anyway, sorry for ranting. I'm just getting old and miss the old days when arcades felt a little bit more special.
We've had multiple characters (SF2), multi bar super combos (SFA), weird characters and gameplay (DS), easy combos and cool specials (MSH), tag teams (XvSF), Parrying (SF3), ISMs and CCs (SFA3), 3 man tag teams (MvC), 6 Grooves (CvS2).
What's next?
Heres what I want, which would get me excited about a new fighting game:
not rehash
kick ass character designs
new game play system
good graphics and music
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| talbaineric 4718th Post
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| "Re(2):In a new 2D-Fighter- What would excite" , posted Sun 5 Jan 19:07
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No seriously. People get excited about new 2D fighters- that's natural. But what would really excite you if you saw a new 2D fighter?
I'm at the point where I want the next sequel. I want SFA4, SF4, DS4, CVS3, MvC3, etc. But I'm no longer excited about any of the older games. And I feel like I don't get as excited anymore when a new game or sequel is announced.
I personally feel that Capcom has reached the height of 2D versus fighting games. SFA3, 3S, MvC2 and CvS2 are the best of the best- you can't go higher?
I remember when SFA and SFA2 came out. Every time I played it felt like the first time. Everything felt new and everything felt great. And this feeling lasted a long time. I got this feeling with XvSF too.
When SFA3 came out, I was super excited. But then it quickly went away. Same with MSHvSF and MvC1.
And KOF. People, KOF is great but its basically the same game every year with modified movelists and priorities.
Maybe I guess what I'm thinking is that I want more of the same, but I want something new. A new 2D fighting series from Capcom, and SNK. SF4 maybe. Or a side story, with some SF, some Final Fight characters, some new characters and something totally new, but also the same.
Anyway, sorry for ranting. I'm just getting old and miss the old days when arcades felt a little bit more special.
We've had multiple characters (SF2), multi bar super combos (SFA), weird characters and gameplay (DS), easy combos and cool specials (MSH), tag teams (XvSF), Parrying (SF3), ISMs and CCs (SFA3), 3 man tag teams (MvC), 6 Grooves (CvS2).
What's next?
I'm a whore for flash and graphics really. I know Capcom isn't going to do another, but I think a new 2D Vampire game that really took advantage of the technology would be really cool. I don't like TOO much stuff to master, (parries were really my limit and I never could pull them off instinctively) so I wouldn't want any real change to the gameplay. I just think seeing a new Lei-Lei sprite would be cool.
Plus this would allow Capcom to make a new Morrigan sprite, something they've been putting off a bit too long.
Yeah,I'm a sucker for flash and graphics,too.
I wish Capcom would make a DS4. *sighs* Oh well.
*is very tired of all the RE games already*
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| Grave
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| "Re(3):In a new 2D-Fighter- What would excite" , posted Sun 5 Jan 21:31
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Yeah,I'm a sucker for flash and graphics,too.
I wish Capcom would make a DS4. *sighs* Oh well.
*is very tired of all the RE games already*
I don't think it's a lot to be asking for nice graphics now. 2D in fighting games hasn't really advanced that much in years. SF3 pushed the envelope on animation, and nobody's really concerned with matching it. Guilty Gear upped the sprite resolution and raised the bar, and nobody's rising to meet it. With Capcom it's probably an issue of laziness. Why make new sprites when you can use the old ones? Well, that must be their philosophy with Morrigan, anyway.
I've given up on a new Vampire game, as much as I actually think that could be interesting. The problem is now, EVERYTHING seems tired. KOF is getting dull for me, SFA3 didn't even excite me much. SF3:NG excited me, but seeing two sequels with limited success kind of upset me. I wish it would have been as popular as SF2 was back when it first came out, but I don't know if anything in arcades will be that popular again.
Another new Capcom vs. SNK game could be okay, but people will always bitch and moan about who's underpowered and who's overpowered, and no side will be happy. I'm not interested in another MvC game if it goes further in the direction that MvC2 did. I didn't like MvC2.
I enjoyed Garou a lot, but what could they do in a sequel that they didn't do in the first? Would it be necessary?
My perfect fighting game that will NEVER happen? A new Samurai Shodown, with huge, high resolution sprites and fluid animation, a good combination of old characters and new, with gameplay that rivals SS2, and an insanely tough boss character that cannot be unlocked and played in the arcade! On new hardware. Or Naomi hardware. Or something other than the same MVS nonsense.
If we wait around long enough I'm sure someone will do something. But I'm most disappointed in Capcom. Lately they just haven't done a lot that interests me. RE is beginning to bore me as well. I liked the RE remake for GC, but I didn't enjoy RE3 or Code Veronica that much. Didn't play RE0, but the GC RE fixed a problem the PS RE games had. They lacked a creepy atmosphere, the kind Silent Hill has. RE4 looks to improve on that, RE0 does too. But I still don't know if I'm interested. I more enjoy the action-oriented gameplay of Onimusha, Dino Crisis 2, and Devil May Cry, heh.
Whew! This was long-winded. I better stop myself before I get out of control.
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| rc cody
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| "Re(1):In a new 2D-Fighter- What would excite " , posted Mon 6 Jan 02:21
i don't really know what it was about new fighting games back then that pulled me in
i could say it was nostalgia because long ago i would be easily pulled in by the hype but nowadays i'm all grown up and couldn't really care to be honest
but that's not to say i didn't think fighting games had any merit of their own, because they obviously did, except to those stern RPG players that were like "fighting games have no story!!!!" or "capcom can't count to 3 lollololol!!!" which illicited responses such as "u fag!! kekeke" and "hey, third strike is out" which in turn got back "hey capcom cant count to 4 lololol!!!" which then the capcom fan points out "look, megaman 10 thousand" and it goes on from there
there wasn't really much else that a fighting game needed back then except just not be too noticeably cheesily programmed with three consecutive adverbs, and like watching a masami obari film, it didn't really take much to amaze me then
although subconsciously i'm sure i was looking for something bigger and better with intricately woven storylines even though that's a bad idea to look to fighting games for that, and also neat interesting characters with some level of personality
a friend of mine and my brothers' lent us his playstation for a couple of days and he had a demo disc with king of fighters 95, and i really wanted to try it out so badly since i never got the opportunity to play a king of fighters game before
and despite the horrific load times and the missing frames i wouldn't have noticed back then, i was so elated just by watching the intro alone and was like "wow, this has some awesome presentation compared to the mundane openings that other fighting games i played have" except not those exact words
and then it got to actually playing (the demo) and i accidentally pull off the orochinagi and it was so awesome and so new, and to this day, that's still my favorite fighting game animation. i didn't really like the 96+ versions too much, plus hearing kyo go "kurai...yagare!" with echo effect is just too cool for words
also the music and atmosphere of the esaka stage in that demo made the fighting game feel very lively, unlike the later kofs which were so dead you'd feel like you were playing another RESIDENT EVIL game, and gee whiz, how many of those are out there again?
anyways, as far as i figure it, i'm not really looking for too much new stuff. on the contrary, i think i'd actually want to bring back some older (cosmetic) elements back
such as the lively crowd watching on, or sporadic animations with accompanying sound effects, and aesthetic-yet-non-compromising-in-effectiveness attacks that aren't just people goofing off and experimenting with/overusing stupid translucency effects or wishwash lens flares.
i couldn't really care much for expanding on mechanics because as far as i can tell, they've already reached a deadlock in creativity and can do very little innovatively now. don't get me wrong though, because i don't want to do away with strategy and i think mvc2 sucks and not just because some other guy says it because i gave it a try, and it was just over the top nonsense
i just don't think that anybody could do anything that would change the way fighting games are um...perceived, on a technical standpoint
so i figure it isn't really the nostalgia that pulled me in the first place afterall; it was the general atmosphere and presentation of a game
like for presentation, i tried that advanced v.g. for super fami a few months back and while the game itself sucked, the opening animated cinema was a sight to behold for just a 16 bit game. well, this is my opinion, and then again, the ``full motion videos`` so to speak in nba jam te also amused me
and when i go back to kof95, even if the psx version, it still has that glitzy glamorous atmosphere albeit dated, and i can still feel that way about it. even though that might sound codependent, that liveliness within the game supported it from becoming rather dull, but that's the honest truth for me, and i can't get really excited by just being around a large crowd (which doesn't happen at these here arcades anyway)
on the other hand, just throw in a bunch of cool characters with neat attacks and at least a small semblance of balance and call it street fighter alpha 3 and we'll do lunch
on second thought i do have some ideas
like very few fighting games utilize backgrounds that much except for cosmetics. like super smash brothers if you can actually count that, or hell, some of the other 3d fighting game series that are out, like tekken or dead or alive. what i'm thinking is that there should be something that involves hopping around platforms and all that other hooha like in a platformer game or something more complex--and not just jumping in betwee stages, or having people in the crowd do stuff like in pit fighter. we're talking 2d fighting games right?
but i wouldn't abuse that feature. i'm very certain some ass would think that we should now have monkey bars inserted at random and they would be like 'monkey bar fight!!' and the main attack is to wrap your legs around your opponent and pull them down which would look awfully fruity. no, that is definitely not my idea
i think people forget that making a new fighting game isn't all about just adding or changing around the mechanics of the game, and a lot DOES in fact have to deal with the presentation and atmosphere whether you like to admit it or not
conclusively i took 19059015 paragraphs just to explain that i'm a graphics whore too :D
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| HazZan 919th Post
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| "Re(1):In a new 2D-Fighter- What would excite " , posted Mon 6 Jan 02:58
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No seriously. People get excited about new 2D fighters- that's natural. But what would really excite you if you saw a new 2D fighter?
I'm at the point where I want the next sequel. I want SFA4, SF4, DS4, CVS3, MvC3, etc. But I'm no longer excited about any of the older games. And I feel like I don't get as excited anymore when a new game or sequel is announced.
I personally feel that Capcom has reached the height of 2D versus fighting games. SFA3, 3S, MvC2 and CvS2 are the best of the best- you can't go higher?
I remember when SFA and SFA2 came out. Every time I played it felt like the first time. Everything felt new and everything felt great. And this feeling lasted a long time. I got this feeling with XvSF too.
When SFA3 came out, I was super excited. But then it quickly went away. Same with MSHvSF and MvC1.
And KOF. People, KOF is great but its basically the same game every year with modified movelists and priorities.
Maybe I guess what I'm thinking is that I want more of the same, but I want something new. A new 2D fighting series from Capcom, and SNK. SF4 maybe. Or a side story, with some SF, some Final Fight characters, some new characters and something totally new, but also the same.
Anyway, sorry for ranting. I'm just getting old and miss the old days when arcades felt a little bit more special.
We've had multiple characters (SF2), multi bar super combos (SFA), weird characters and gameplay (DS), easy combos and cool specials (MSH), tag teams (XvSF), Parrying (SF3), ISMs and CCs (SFA3), 3 man tag teams (MvC), 6 Grooves (CvS2).
What's next?
I want Gen and Shin Gouki/Gouki in a new 2D Fighter.
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| KTallguy
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| "I agree with Grave" , posted Mon 6 Jan 03:51
I think we need a new company! Simple as that. Another company will have nothing to lose and throw in stuff that might be revolutionary for the genre.
I personally am a fan of fighters that requre more finesse then fighters that require INTENSE SUPER AIR COMBO SUPER COMBO TAG TEAM stuff. As fun as that stuff is, it's kind of, too much.
I want to see a fighter with animation like SF3, but with sprites like GGX (as grave mentioned before). I also did like Project Justice's way of telling a story depending on the "team" you're on. My idea, would be that the fighting game takes place during a war or something, maybe in a samurai era, maybe in the future, but whatever, nothing too crazy. And there are 2 sides to the war, represented by two different groups of characters, and then in the middle you could have the free agents. Maybe during the game, a la third strike, you could choose who to fight in certain situations. So lets say you pick, um ... Bart. Bart's on one side of the conflict, and he will only fight those on the other side...or maybe a few free agents. Also, I like having parries in some form. Ever since SF3 parries have become one of my favorite things about the game. Maybe have more realistic looking parries, where the guy is animated to knock the punch away, and counter... something like that. Make it fluid and realistic looking. Make INTERESTING and ORIGINAL characters. Stuff we haven't seen before, but realistic designs that aren't too weird(GGX constitutes as too weird). Also, either EVERYONE has weapons or NO ONE has them. I always wondered how you can block a sword with your arm in the air =)
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| Luisinan
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| "Re(2):In a new 2D-Fighter- What would excite" , posted Mon 6 Jan 07:44
I think the cool and interesting thing is that Capcom does listen to its fans. It's just that we always want more.
When SF2 came out we wanted more costume colors, the boss characters and mirror matches. We got that in CE. Then we wanted faster game play. We got that in HF. Then we wanted more characters. We got that in SSF2. Then we wanted faster gameplay and something new. We got that ST.
Then we asked for a storyline and better graphics. We got the alpha series. Despite all my complaints of SFA3, it has everything we wanted since day one. Yeah, the storyline sucks, but it's there. Everyone has mid bosses and in-game dialogue. And even a bio at the start of the game! Imagine if SF2 had that stuff! They even put in special intros with certain characters. 3S repeats this too.
CvS2 gave us a ton of groove options and more characters and a bit of story. MvC2 is the ultimate versus game. So Capcom is listening and put out great stuff. But it just seems that they can't go any further. They've reached the top of 2D fighting. Each series has had its conclussion, well SFA3 and 3S have. And techincally, so have CvS2 and MvC2.
We'll see what CFAS offers. Capcom has never failed when it comes to fighters. Even Star Gladiator did better then other crappy 3D fighters.
Maybe we just don't know what we want. Maybe we've seen it all. KOF was very special in the early days. I remember the excitement from 97 and 98. People still look forward to new games, but its not the same.
Where's is the old excitement? I guess in something totally new, groundbreaking, and yet old and similar. I don't know.
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