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| crom
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|  "KoF2002/NB2: toughts, a review, questions..."
, posted Wed 18 Dec 07:47
Well, first a little review:
I was disapointed at the first sight but I took some time to beat it with two teams before I really made my mind.
Well, first the negatives:
There is probably a summary of what's wrong with the KoF-series, so I'm not going to mourn about that. I'll simply say what I did not like about the mechanics:
1.I miss the striker system. I mean, I allmost never used it tactically and if then only as cannonfoder against the half-screen atacks of the boss characters, but it felt like KoF was going somewhere new. KoF2k2 is more like an updated KoF98, too much of a crowd-pleaser if you like.
2.The other thing I did not really like is the character roster- I mean if KoF98 featured every character (except for the boss team I think and boses of course) of the previous games, KoF2002 should have all the new characters from 99-2k1. I really miss Juan, I was really good with him.
It sort of felt weird to use K' against Yoshiro, you know?
3.The artwork. I was probably one of few who liked the last years artwork, and Eolith probably got so much of negative input because of it, but the new art, most of all the ingame portraits looks so amateuristic copared to the last few KoF's.
4. the sound is better then the last years one, but not much.
So and now what I liked:
1. Better balance then the last three KoFs.
I really feel that the characters match each other now, for example Kula's specials are much quicker.
2. Backgrounds.Now this is where Eolith shines. Backgrounds are alive, full of characters, gags and other stuff. They are not as collorfull as the last years BG's but the animation makes up for it.
3. The boss: yes, by normal means a totally unfair bastard, but far from the last years A-bomb. I allmost beat the guy the first time, allmost! Ah Rugal, how I missed you!
4. New animations for allmost every character-some of them really sexy.
5.The ending credits where characters do some silly stuff like playing baseball and so on. And then there is Rugal on his throne surrounded by other bosses- cool pic.
All in all, yes, KoF is like a good wine.KoF2002 is not my favorite but I think I like it more then KoF98. But now it should really leave the neo-geo hardware. I would even tolerate a smaller character roster of 24+ characters if they finally made that jump to the crystal hardware or better. And that's a theory that I have- did you notice how final this KoF felt? Like a present to the fans before they move on? I remember last years theories about KoF2k2, like that Mai was going to be taken out of the roster, new storyline and so on- some real changes. My theory is, they needed more time because they are doing it on a new hardware so they quickly did KoF2002 (which only features old characters) as a crowdpleaser. I really hope that is the case.
By the way, the two girls at the end of KoF2002- that are with Rugal in the pic, could this be the two new KoF- girls from Neo blood2? Yes, I know the artwork is way different and the person in the game has red hair while the artwork portrays a lila-haired
one, but remember that they are both on Ioris team and Mature and Vice also both were Rugals girls (hehe,like two evil bond girls). Any in-game pics of KoF:NB2 with the two characters to confirm/deny this?
Well, that's it, let's wait for the input...
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| Ferrio 464th Post
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| "Re(2):KoF2002/NB2: toughts, a review, questio" , posted Wed 18 Dec 09:51:
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I really miss Juan, I was really good with him.
So this Juan, some secret character I never found?
As for the strikers, I'm glad their gone. Not just because we got back to a 98 formula, but in each game the strikers seemed to have a problem.
In 99 they were near useless, maybe good for a shield now and then but other than that... eh.
In 2k they were too powerful, you were able to do so much with so little, one of clark's throws would instantly mean DM.
In 2k1 the striker system was now in balance I believe, but with the addition of the ratio type system it was a real waste to use one, you could easily use a super cancel and get the same results.
If they would of kept the super system from 2k, but implimented the strikers to take super stocks instead of striker stocks it would of been a lot better.
[this message was edited by Ferrio on Wed 18 Dec 09:53] |
| iggy 1087th Post
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| "Re(1):KoF2002/NB2: toughts, a review, questio" , posted Wed 18 Dec 16:46:
After playing the rom for a few days, there's something I need to say : This version of Shermie is THE BEST CHARACTER SNK EVER CREATED. period.
Let's compare the game to 98 :
- Some characters seems to have only 2 winposes (uh, that's lazy)
- nearly no prefight special animations (lame!)
but
- better backgrounds
- fantastic artwork, tie with 2000 (do anyone here remember any artwork before 99? Athena98 or 97? Chizuru 97? Leona 97? 97 itself?)
- the best Shermie in the universe
- better balance (I have the feeling Vice & co are less overdominent than in 98, but I start playing the game, I may be wrong)
- funky new mooves that are mostly useless (this is a plus for me, I love useless mooves)
- a faster game
- about the characters, I loose Chizuru and Saishu, and I have K', Vanessa, Kula, Maxima and Seth. I'm an hardcore fan of Chizuru, but that new Shermie is so shinny I immediately forgot my former idol.
And against the 2000 :
- no stupid striker system (good!)
- no awesome super great Chizuru striker (BAD!)
- no Juhn, no Hinako, no Lin BUT SHERMIE, GODDAMMIT!!
I'm really glad I tried the rom, it made me discover my favorite SNK fighter ever. The wonderfullness of the game makes me even more sad that Chizuru and Hinako are not there, but I nevertheless will buy the home port of the game the first day it is available, extra chara or not (and I surely would not have done it before trying it).
A little more about Shermie : her new voices are awesome, her new mooves are totally unexpected but great (a counter! SHE USES HER BREASTS FOR HER COUNTER!!!) her normal mooves became weird but a little practice and it will be allright, her new victory poses are really funny (her least funny winpose becomes her "lalalalalalalalahuhu") and most of all, everything that was added melts perfectly with the rest of the character and with the game itself. For example, Honoo no sadame no Chris' new pose is great, but really doesn't go along with the rest of his animations. And Kim's starting and standing animataions are awefull AND don't fit with the game at all. They changed many things to Shermie, even things that were not necessary (some of her mooves are the same, the animation is the only thing to change). Like Chris, she has a really, really hard to use evade moove (the escape of the Extra mode of KOF 98). Her new normal mooves seems very slow, and some new mooves (like the baku NEW suplex) seems really hard to use. I have the feeling the Shermie Carnival is slower (you can escape it even after the screen turned black...?) but the MAX Shermie Flash is so overpowered (instant kill if done right) that Shermie becomes maybe one of the most powerfull characters of the game (in the hand of a good button masturbator, like me!). And it makes her once again the strongest character (in damage) in her game, stronger than Chang, she's perfect.
The only drawback to that Shermie is her Max2. it's stupid, not cool, not funny, it's nothing. Would she had had a nice Max2, Shermie would have become unarguably the best character EVER created. I still prefer Savior 1 Anakaris, but that 2002 Shermie comes in second. Damn, she's pure perfection.
Oh, and the 2 secretaries are Ire and Hymen (I'm not sure it's the official way to write their names, but Hymen is so funny I can' resist)
おおむね大好評よ！
[this message was edited by iggy on Wed 18 Dec 17:39] |
| Juke Joint Jezebel 1252th Post
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|  "Re(1):Bah!"
, posted Thu 19 Dec 08:07
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Yes, I meant Jhun. Shit, I keep saying I'm good with him and then I don't even know his name...
no worries. Juan's pretty easy to use. i've got his movelist around here somewhere .......
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Moves:
Cat tuna force feeding: ever seen jedah's move where he stuffs the other characters and make them explode? well its kinda like that, but i feed them cat tuna.
Dog kick: just a dog kick.
Dog blast: kaiser wave with the shape of a dog, speed of a hadoken, multihit.
Dog Shield: surronds character with a red aura, reflects projectiles, and ignores regular attacks.
Sho-Dog-Ken:......
Ha-DOG-ken: ..ha ha ha...
Infinite stock strikers:
Juna: throws character to the floor, then proceeds to step on its face while laughing like a maniac, unblockable.
I-no: she just stands there and looks pretty.
Super moves (this gets interesting)
BLAARGGHH!!: talks nonsense until the character dies annoyed.
Penguin Minions: similar to felicia's please help me, but instead calls a horde of evil penguins.
Biblical proportions Dog Kick: DOOOOGGGG KIIIIICCKKKK!!!! (70% damage!)
Super Dog stare: stares at character. character explodes.
Fireball dog death: fills screen with multiple fireballs.
Super duper move (level 3:)
Super Dog Dance: similar to Ryo's tiger dance, except it never stops, not even if the time runs out. call your arcade operator to reset the machine and to tell him that you just got OWNED. HA HA HA!!
Destroy move:
Grabs character and uses it as a pin~ata and hits it until candy comes out, then throws remains to minion dogs.
yargh!! it doesn't list how to execute them. just go nuts with the joystick and things will fly out
x: Nobody has guns in Australia and there are no problems.
y: thats beacuse russel crow will fight you if you try to do anything wrong
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| Sensenic
112th Post
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| "2 things" , posted Thu 19 Dec 13:37
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I'd like to add there is 1 thing that I REALLY miss from 98, and that's the happy/ok/sad faces.
They added a bit of depth to your choices of who you would pick and what order. Would you rather gain stocks and put someone that might not work as well as what your partner picked... or would you rather lose stocks to get the upper advantage from picking a character that is effective against their choice.
'97, me recalls. Me doesn't remember that in '98. Of course, me can be wrong.
Anyway, But what I understand from your post is that it does have a practical use... I thought it was only some way to help the player to make coherent plot-wise teams, with characters who would in fact join together.
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Bias. Eolith is Korean, after all...
heheheh
speaking of which, are there two Korean stages in 2002? the "city" stage and the "lightning" stage. a couple of Korean dudes in the background of both. some Tae Kwon Do guy (i'm just assuming he's Korean) and Jhun Hoon in the city, and Kim Sue-il and Kang Baedal in the lightning one. it's been on my mind lately
I think it's not Korea nor China but another asian country "near". I can't recall which was, don't remember quite well.
The ugliest Solid Snake ever is watching you...
-I thought you were arian....
-I'm vegetarian...
Dialog between Schulz and the jewish barber -The Great Dictator-
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| CrazyMike 391th Post
Silver Customer
| "Re(1):2 things" , posted Thu 19 Dec 15:54
Here is where I think 2k2 outdoes 98:
Personally I think 98 had ugly backgrounds, they were dull, ininspiring (a bunch of cars on a street, a railroad track?) that lacked little animation or life to them. Also, I HATED the art for KOF 98, I think 2k2's portraits are much better then those gaudy, crayon looking portraits of 98. Plus 98's versus menu screen and character select was awful, it was like wallpaper for webpages, but 2k2 has a nice interface to it.
I think the cast is alot more well rounded then 98, you got a fair selection of both old and new teams and you gotta love the animation. As for Kim's new pose, I see nothing wrong with it, he's changed poses like 3 times through Fatal Fury, KOF 94-95 and 96-99, why is it wrong to change it now?
I like how they actually changed around alot of special moves for fighters like Takuma and Shermie, something fresh for a change. And I applaud Eolith for having the balls to remove King, especially since SNK was scared to change around the existing Fatal Fury, AOF, Psycho Soldiers, and Korean team for so many years and removing other fighters in the process.
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| Juke Joint Jezebel 1257th Post
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| "Re(2):2 things" , posted Thu 19 Dec 17:58
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Bias. Eolith is Korean, after all...
heheheh
speaking of which, are there two Korean stages in 2002? the "city" stage and the "lightning" stage. a couple of Korean dudes in the background of both. some Tae Kwon Do guy (i'm just assuming he's Korean) and Jhun Hoon in the city, and Kim Sue-il and Kang Baedal in the lightning one. it's been on my mind lately
I think it's not Korea nor China but another asian country "near". I can't recall which was, don't remember quite well.
I believe that stage is actually the Cambodia stage... Listen to "Deserted Town," which is listed as the theme of the Cambodia stage, then play on the stage with Kang Baedal and Kim Sue-Il. That's where the theme is used. :P
ah, Cambodia. i would've never guessed. wait, i don't even know who Kang Baedal and Kim Sue-Il are hehehe
cool that you're working on a complete move list!
i'll be sure to check in on that
oh, and about the '98 happy face/sad face thing, i think when the opponent's doing a "choke" normal grab on you (just a grab that does more than one "hit." imagine Chang's "chain choke" grab) if you press something and your characters are compatible or something, one of your teammates will come out and whack the guy to get off of you. hahaha, i still remember when Hagen used that against one of our friends ... poor guy was cursing for a while "what the hell was that?!" "he just jumped right in!" "that's not right!"
as it is said, don't diss Kyokugen
x: Nobody has guns in Australia and there are no problems.
y: thats beacuse russel crow will fight you if you try to do anything wrong
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"Re(1):KoF2002/NB2: toughts, a review, questio" 
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