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| Ferrio 445th Post
 
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|  "Re(7):Well the final bit of 2k2 was dumped."
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Tell me, Ferrio, why don't you buy a neo geo of your own? MVS is downright cheap, and if you get yourself a supergun, you can get any old arcade PCB and play it on there, too.
Because, I'm in college, currently borrowing money from the gornernment just so I can get an education. Last year I wasn't even able to go to college since I had no money, I was living in run down hell hole, where I had crack addicts and people raping their girlfriends living next to me. I bet that's enough so I should go on. So Sorry if I don't think spending my college money on a Neogeo system and cart are important as my education. Once I'm at of school, sure I'll buy a system.. hell I'll buy an MVS if I can.
AndIf you don't think I don't see where you're coming from you're wrong. If I were in your shoes I'd be pissed to, knowing I paid so much and people getting it for free. But look at it from other people's view.
But does this excuse me, no probably not... but again yes this arguement is old lets drop it.
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| crom
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| "Re(1):Well the final bit of 2k2 was dumped." , posted Sat 14 Dec 12:01
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There is sound now, but I get graphical glitches, the screen will just shift slightly every so often.... curious if anyone else is experiencing this.
Probably you got the old c4-rom. let's see- you
download the c1 to p8 roms, use the patcher programm, download the two p-roms, patch them,
get a correct s-rom, get the new v- and s-roms, make a valid dat and play it. Easy, no?
I can't post you links, but I'm positive you know emuchina- just go to the board there is enough topics that tell you what to do.
Alternatly I'm hearing that a new and correctly dumped KoF2k2(not the bootleg that Neo-0 has paid an idiotic price for) has just been upped somewhere biceause now there is morally no reason to hold it back.
and to Rugal- if you are willing to spend over 100$ for a game that uses the same 8-Years old engine, fine. I'll pay for it when it looks
like Guilty gearXX before 2010- or alternatly I'll just mugen a better KoF myself.
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| RugalBernstein 3073th Post
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| "Re(2):Well the final bit of 2k2 was dumped." , posted Sat 14 Dec 14:52:
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and to Rugal- if you are willing to spend over 100$ for a game that uses the same 8-Years old engine, fine. I'll pay for it when it looks
like Guilty gearXX before 2010- or alternatly I'll just mugen a better KoF myself.
Hey Crom, if you believe the prices of games should be determined by their graphics, why do you even play KOF? The prices of games are determined by the manufacturers, not you. Now, if you want to bitch about something being " over priced ", why don't you go and bitch about cars, or something? Now, THERE are some over-priced objects. Or yeah, better yet, " Mugen " yourself the KOF to end all KOFs and quit ripping off people whose livelyhoods depend on the sales of these games.
I can understand Ferrio's situation, but you sir, are a spoony bard.
Oh, yeah. Maybe you should read this and learn something.
Link Here
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| crom
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| "I'm soo eeevil!!!!!!" , posted Mon 16 Dec 09:03
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and to Rugal- if you are willing to spend over 100$ for a game that uses the same 8-Years old engine, fine. I'll pay for it when it looks
like Guilty gearXX before 2010- or alternatly I'll just mugen a better KoF myself.
Hey Crom, if you believe the prices of games should be determined by their graphics, why do you even play KOF? The prices of games are determined by the manufacturers, not you. Now, if you want to bitch about something being " over priced ", why don't you go and bitch about cars, or something? Now, THERE are some over-priced objects. Or yeah, better yet, " Mugen " yourself the KOF to end all KOFs and quit ripping off people whose livelyhoods depend on the sales of these games.
I can understand Ferrio's situation, but you sir, are a spoony bard.
Oh, yeah. Maybe you should read this and learn something.
Link Here
Face it man- arcades are dead. SNK died because of this, and playmore will if they continue like this. I can guarantee you that KoF:Neo BloodX2 will make more money even tough the GBA is emulated and roms are dumped
the day they come out. Point is, not only is the new KoF:NBX2 going to feature new characters, sounds its also sold for an afordable price. Let's see- if KoF2k2 comes out for PS2 or gamecube and has 3D-Backgrounds and other improvements
AND a considerable price, yes. I would not get it for PS-one because of the incopetence of the ports (where the first Guilty Gear shoved what was possible) and I wont get a deadborn home-machine just so I can bash everyone who does not. If not for emulation,
there would be just a small bunch of SNK-elitists behaving like pricks, because they know something that no one else does.
If it's any good(not like the first part) I'm going to buy the second GBA game- if not for emulation I would have ignored it and get Tekken.
SNK did not go broke because of emulation. Emulation never stoped you rich NEO GEO-owners buying new games. I don't believe
that emulation halted any of you proud fans from buying new games. It died for the same reason dinosaurs died out- it was too stupid to evolve.
One side-note, I remember an interview (can someone post a link please) with the main producer of Guilty Gear XX- he was asked why Capcom (another manufacturer who is going to be buyed out) was not making HI-RES 2-D games and you know what he answered? "You know, we are asking that ourselves" Now, if someone unknown and as small as Sammy CAN make profit
with tecnically satisfying 2D games what the hell is Playmore doing?
And to Rid- how can someone from bloody argentina have such a black and white-sight of the world? Have you not learned anything from the crisis in your country? God, what you said, allmost reminded me of Bushs "If you are not with us, you are against us".
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| crom
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| "Re(2):I'm soo eeevil!!!!!!" , posted Mon 16 Dec 10:25
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Im not Rid, but your magical logic is a little off. I would recommend reading Toxico's answer, unless you can only see what you like.
If you wanna play roms until your brain turns into gerber, thats fine, keep it to yourself or go to an emulation board.
What does the crisis in his country have to do with all this?
And to Rid- how can someone from bloody argentina have such a black and white-sight of the world? Have you not learned anything from the crisis in your country? God, what you said, allmost reminded me of Bushs "If you are not with us, you are against us".
He does not have the money to own it (and I guess that has more to do with political situation in argentina than everything else) so it would be for his own good to think about alternatives, instead of this "you don't have the right to own it".
Well, yes, I do have the right to own it, thank you very much.
And if you are willing to save the poor game-developers from going bancrupt, then buy all the RE-remakes you want, if you want get even all the variant covers and special editions- you'll sure go to heaven for that while all the emulator-users will burn in hell.
And if you followed your own advise, to check someone elses text, you would have noticed that I'm by far not the only one on this board who is a fan of emulation.
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| RugalBernstein 3090th Post
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| "Re(3):I'm soo eeevil!!!!!!" , posted Mon 16 Dec 10:30
Hey, Crom, you can try and justify your stance all you want, but that doesn't mean you aren't a dick. The difference between you and most of the other people emulating here is that they aren't pricks about it.
And so, I'm " rich " , eh? Ha ha ha, sure I am. I guess you've never heard of making sacrifices. So sorry I have a job.
And again, no, you have no right to play these games. Games are a commodity, like television or movies. If you aren't willing to pay for them, you can't see them. Why don't you go run around outside and play " kick the can " instead? It's healthier, anwyay.
Ha ha ha, oh, yeah, and you're a pretty big man to speak for Rid. Why don't you shut up and let him speak for himself?
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| crom
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| "Re(4):I'm soo eeevil!!!!!!" , posted Mon 16 Dec 10:59
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Hey, Crom, you can try and justify your stance all you want, but that doesn't mean you aren't a dick. The difference between you and most of the other people emulating here is that they aren't pricks about it.
And so, I'm " rich " , eh? Ha ha ha, sure I am. I guess you've never heard of making sacrifices. So sorry I have a job.
And again, no, you have no right to play these games. Games are a commodity, like television or movies. If you aren't willing to pay for them, you can't see them. Why don't you go run around outside and play " kick the can " instead? It's healthier, anwyay.
Ha ha ha, oh, yeah, and you're a pretty big man to speak for Rid. Why don't you shut up and let him speak for himself?
Fuck this, it aint going nowhere. You have your oppinion, I have mine. And I did not speak for him, I asnwered to him- in a summerized thread, so I did not have to post twice.
And as for not having the right to do the things YOU pay for- well, I'll do it anyway, and I'll not end up in jail for it.
The worst that might happen to me, is someone beeing pissed on a board and calling me a dick...
Hey you might be actually interessed about the political oppinion of one of the KoF-Developers-
http://www.retrogames.com/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showpost.pl?Board=retroneogeo&Number=26145&page=0&view=expanded&mode=threaded&sb=7#Post26145
Think about it- there is no way you could have foun this without emulation...
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| CrazyMike 384th Post
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| "Re(6):I'm soo eeevil!!!!!!" , posted Mon 16 Dec 11:42:
I'm not going to justify emulation, I do it because I do it, because I like it. However while I am able to admit what I am doing is wrong, just as people hate when somebody tries to justify them using emulators, I hate it when people try to justify why NOT to emulate when they resort to lies. SNK was not killed by emulation, what true fighting game fan is going to give up the thrill of playing at the arcade and fighting living, breathing players to come sit down in front of a monitor and play with the computer? I own Street Fighter Alpha 3 for Playstation, Dreamcast, and I have it on my hard drive, yet I still continue to pump quarters into the local arcade at my school. Why? Because its just fun on the cabinet and it helps pass time. Obviously SNK was still pulling in the crowds at the arcades all these years and still are.
SNK's bankrupture was due to their inability to expand further into the console markets, and while that is a cop out by saying you need to have your games on a Playstation to survive which isn't true, you have to remember SNK was trying to finance a damn amusement park, a portable system, developing and scrapping new hardware, etc. not to mention coming out with a new KOF every year and other projects like Metal Slug and Garou. Seriously how could any company do all this and survive off the revenue of arcades in Asia and parts of the rest of the world? Its like Crom said, why can a small company like Sammy put out Guilty Gear X animation ahead of big old Capcom? All Playmore has to do is call up Sega and get cracking on developing for the Naomi, I don't believe this story about how they need revenue to move onto new hardware, they don't have to make new hardware for themselves to make a new KOF with enhanced graphics and better AI, sound, etc.
Long story short, it is wrong to justify emulation of games you don't own, but it is equally annoying to see people still crying over SNK's death and trying to place the blame on the emulation community and ignoring SNK's business mistakes and financial troubles.
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| Luisinan
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| "Evil and Stupid (SNK that is)" , posted Mon 16 Dec 12:09
I agree with CrazyMike. But I also think that people should own the PSX or DC version of the game if they want to play it emulated (at the very least).
I have mixed feelings about SNK using the Naomi board because I think that KOF's graphics are fine. If you look at the animation in KOF, it is VERY GOOD. I think what puts people off is the sprite style, which I think looks better and better the more you look at it. People essentially want Alpha,DS,GG anime-style sprites. But KOF sprites are fine.
And also, if SNK used different "better" sprites for KOF, they would have to start all over and have a much smaller cast and it would be too expensive for them to do so.
Having said that, I think that it would be a good idea for SNK to use the Naomi. There are no space limitations on that system. We would have gotten KOF 2K2 with Shingo, King, Geese, etc. on a Naomi KOF. But personally I think SNK is being greedy. They'd probably have to pay royalties or something to Sega for using their hardware. And they also give the lame excuse that not as many arcade owners would buy the game cause its not MVS.
Personally, dump the MVS. Move to the naomi. And in the future, if you have too. Make KOF on the Naomi and MVS. Just give the Naomi version extra characters or something to convince people to buy that version.
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| RugalBernstein 3095th Post
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| "Re(7):I'm soo eeevil!!!!!!" , posted Mon 16 Dec 19:33
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SNK's bankrupture was due to their inability to expand further into the console markets, and while that is a cop out by saying you need to have your games on a Playstation to survive which isn't true, you have to remember SNK was trying to finance a damn amusement park, a portable system, developing and scrapping new hardware, etc. not to mention coming out with a new KOF every year and other projects like Metal Slug and Garou. Seriously how could any company do all this and survive off the revenue of arcades in Asia and parts of the rest of the world? Its like Crom said, why can a small company like Sammy put out Guilty Gear X animation ahead of big old Capcom? All Playmore has to do is call up Sega and get cracking on developing for the Naomi, I don't believe this story about how they need revenue to move onto new hardware, they don't have to make new hardware for themselves to make a new KOF with enhanced graphics and better AI, sound, etc.
First off, Mike, I don't recall blaming emulation, I recall saying I resent the fact that any yahoo can play it before a paying costumer ( and I'm not going to lie, I do ) . I can deal with it, but people who claim to have a RIGHT to emulate piss me off, as do people who say " The company deserves to have their games emulated because their graphics aren't good enough " . My ass.
Anyway, they DO need money to expand on to new hardware, and the MVS is still a lucrative market. It is the single most widely distributed arcade hardware in existence ( well, besides jamma, but I'm talking about so called " custom " hardware, here ) so I could see it would be tempting for them to just stick with what they have. However, I DO see this as a foolish decision on their part; what they should do is make some slam-out games for MVS while training to program on higher-end hardware, like Naomi. This way, man power isn't tied up making new games for the MVS, yet they still have some incoming revenue. Then, after they feel they're ready to move on to Naomi, they could make one last " fare-well " game on the MVS, and start afresh.
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