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Radish

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"XenoSaga impressions" , posted Fri 13 Dec 07:23

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I know most people here don't like IGN, but there aren't many other US Xenosaga impressions out yet. Basically the guy takes 3 pages to say that the voice acting is lackluster and that the cut screens are too long, both things I think we all knew were coming. He mentioned nothing of deleted scenes however, but he hadn't played the entire game so that's still up in the air.

I dunno. I'm still slightly interested. However I was under the impression that Xenosaga was in the same series as Xenogears. Anyone know for sure?

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exodus

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"Re(1):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Fri 13 Dec 08:28

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I know most people here don't like IGN, but there aren't many other US Xenosaga impressions out yet. Basically the guy takes 3 pages to say that the voice acting is lackluster and that the cut screens are too long, both things I think we all knew were coming. He mentioned nothing of deleted scenes however, but he hadn't played the entire game so that's still up in the air.

I dunno. I'm still slightly interested. However I was under the impression that Xenosaga was in the same series as Xenogears. Anyone know for sure?

well...I'm pretty sure it's the far future 'same world - no same characters' kind of thing.

the impressions of Chris Woodard and myself are to be found here. We did this in August.

Rid Hershel

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"Re(2):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Fri 13 Dec 08:30

It's unrelated to Xenogears, and won't even follow its episode structure. It just takes some elements from the game.

Radish

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"Re(2):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Fri 13 Dec 08:48

quote:
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I know most people here don't like IGN, but there aren't many other US Xenosaga impressions out yet. Basically the guy takes 3 pages to say that the voice acting is lackluster and that the cut screens are too long, both things I think we all knew were coming. He mentioned nothing of deleted scenes however, but he hadn't played the entire game so that's still up in the air.

I dunno. I'm still slightly interested. However I was under the impression that Xenosaga was in the same series as Xenogears. Anyone know for sure?

well...I'm pretty sure it's the far future 'same world - no same characters' kind of thing.

the impressions of Chris Woodard and myself are to be found here. We did this in August.

Yeah, but I think this is the first impression of the US product. I'd like to hear what you think about the final American release though since you've played through the Japanese version.

And thanks Rid. Until now I thought they were more directly related. That's kind of a downer...

threesixtee
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"Re(3):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Fri 13 Dec 08:51

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It's unrelated to Xenogears, and won't even follow its episode structure. It just takes some elements from the game.

I was under the impression that it was related. I read somewhere that the story is a "prequel" of sorts to xenogears, taking place 10000 years before the events of that game.

Rid Hershel

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"Re(4):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Fri 13 Dec 09:08

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I was under the impression that it was related. I read somewhere that the story is a "prequel" of sorts to xenogears, taking place 10000 years before the events of that game.

That was what everyone tought at first, since the Xenogears official info book says that there are 6 episodes (Xenogears being the fifth), and Xenosaga has six episodes too, but official sources denied that.

exodus

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"Re(3):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Fri 13 Dec 10:05

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Yeah, but I think this is the first impression of the US product. I'd like to hear what you think about the final American release though since you've played through the Japanese version.

whoops!! my mistake!

yeah, we should have something of a review of it soonish, unless chris disliked the last one too much to buy it >_<

Sensenic
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"Re(5):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Fri 13 Dec 11:48

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I dunno. I'm still slightly interested. However I was under the impression that Xenosaga was in the same series as Xenogears. Anyone know for sure?

It's unrelated to Xenogears, and won't even follow its episode structure. It just takes some elements from the game.

I was under the impression that it was related. I read somewhere that the story is a "prequel" of sorts to xenogears, taking place 10000 years before the events of that game.

That was what everyone tought at first, since the Xenogears official info book says that there are 6 episodes (Xenogears being the fifth), and Xenosaga has six episodes too, but official sources denied that.

What?? When did this happen? I read somewhere that there were many argumental references to Xenogears....

Why do I have this feeling that it's all last hour changes because of some problems with copyrights and that kind of stuff... or perhaps the guy who invented all this saga whose name I can't recall decided to remake it all, since he wasn't able to make Xenogears as he wanted it to be.

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Mog
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"Re(6):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Fri 13 Dec 12:48

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What?? When did this happen? I read somewhere that there were many argumental references to Xenogears....

Why do I have this feeling that it's all last hour changes because of some problems with copyrights and that kind of stuff... or perhaps the guy who invented all this saga whose name I can't recall decided to remake it all, since he wasn't able to make Xenogears as he wanted it to be.

Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion here about whether or not Xenogears and Xenosaga are one and the same, so here goes my attempt to explain things…

It is well known that Tetsuya Takahashi was not pleased with how Xenogears, the 5th of a proposed 6-part story, turned out, following its completion decided to leave Square (that’s a story for another day), form his own company, and start over from the beginning. Thus you have Xenosaga (the 1st of a proposed 6-part story), and while it does seem to share quite a bit with the overall Xenogears story as it is laid out by the Xenogears Perfect Works, there are some notable differences. More than likely, we won’t know how closely related the two are until we get to episode 4.

Hope this makes sense, if not I can go back over everything in more detail. That or anyone interested can just head over to www.zenosaga.com , which is the best English source of Xenogears/saga information that I know of, and can do a better job of explaining the relationship between the two than I can.

Sensenic
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"Re(7):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Fri 13 Dec 13:03

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What?? When did this happen? I read somewhere that there were many argumental references to Xenogears....

Why do I have this feeling that it's all last hour changes because of some problems with copyrights and that kind of stuff... or perhaps the guy who invented all this saga whose name I can't recall decided to remake it all, since he wasn't able to make Xenogears as he wanted it to be.

Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion here about whether or not Xenogears and Xenosaga are one and the same, so here goes my attempt to explain things…

It is well known that Tetsuya Takahashi was not pleased with how Xenogears, the 5th of a proposed 6-part story, turned out, following its completion decided to leave Square (that’s a story for another day), form his own company, and start over from the beginning. Thus you have Xenosaga (the 1st of a proposed 6-part story), and while it does seem to share quite a bit with the overall Xenogears story as it is laid out by the Xenogears Perfect Works, there are some notable differences. More than likely, we won’t know how closely related the two are until we get to episode 4.

Hope this makes sense, if not I can go back over everything in more detail. That or anyone interested can just head over to www.zenosaga.com , which is the best English source of Xenogears/saga information that I know of, and can do a better job of explaining the relationship between the two than I can.

ok, thanks

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-I thought you were arian....
-I'm vegetarian...
Dialog between Schulz and the jewish barber -The Great Dictator-

Belgurdo
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"Re(8):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Sat 14 Dec 11:32

Bah, I don't know what to make of the impressions...guy sounds like he's part of the "I hate Xenogears because other people do/the game isn't centered around the battle system!" and "dUbz suk!" crowd. I'll give him the voices, since Namco seems to be shit at picking a decent dub cast (although I can't forgive the VP crack, the voices there were fine), but most of the people who have played Xenogears should know that they were going for some kind of "cinematic" type feel rather than putting everything into the combat. I'd just have to buy it and see for myself.

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sabo10
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"Re(9):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Sat 14 Dec 11:43

but, dubs do suck!

and...

so does editing!

Please leave the game as the the authors created it, and just translate the text, kthx!

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Sensenic
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"Re(1):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Sat 14 Dec 11:57

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He mentioned nothing of deleted scenes however, but he hadn't played the entire game so that's still up in the air.

Call me impacient, but any news about since?

I HATE censorship...

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-I'm vegetarian...
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Amakusa
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"Re(10):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Sat 14 Dec 15:32

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Please leave the game as the the authors created it, and just translate the text, kthx!

Hahah... boy, you don't know how self-defeating that statement is.

Moronic fanboys. Now sharing the same brain faster than ever.

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Mozex
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"Re(10):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Sat 14 Dec 15:37

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but, dubs do suck!

and...

so does editing!

Please leave the game as the the authors created it, and just translate the text, kthx!

What was changed from the Japanese game?

Be kind to goblins.

sabo10
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"Re(2):Re(10):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Sat 14 Dec 17:01

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but, dubs do suck!

and...

so does editing!

Please leave the game as the the authors created it, and just translate the text, kthx!

What was changed from the Japanese game?

I have been informed that it was submitted to the ESRB, and any content that would move it into the M category was removed to for the benefit of increased sales potential in the T rating.

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whitesword

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"Re(3):Re(10):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Sat 14 Dec 17:43

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I have been informed that it was submitted to the ESRB, and any content that would move it into the M category was removed to for the benefit of increased sales potential in the T rating.

*has a heart attack*

Must...mod...PS2...!
Must...get...non-spoony...Japanese...version...!
But...must...learn...Japanese...first...!

SONIC BURNER....!? (Ok

it's just the Burning Fist)

Radish

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"Re(3):Re(10):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Sat 14 Dec 18:13:

quote:
but, dubs do suck!

and...

so does editing!

Please leave the game as the the authors created it, and just translate the text, kthx!

What was changed from the Japanese game?

I have been informed that it was submitted to the ESRB, and any content that would move it into the M category was removed to for the benefit of increased sales potential in the T rating.

What would push it over to an M rating? I haven't played the import obviously so I don't know was Namco had to edit out.

I do agree it sucks though. I don't mind dubbing since it increases the marketablity of a game. However this game was designed to be marketed towards a specific audience, one that either doesn't care if a game is spoken in Japanese or prefers it. Additionally that audience is old enough to buy adult products. Realistically though an M rating isn't the problem that an R rating for a movie is. Most stores don't have any misgivings about selling M rated products to minors and parents usually don't look at ratings.

I can't see what the point of watering down a game where its controversial nature is one of its main selling points. Its like (to an obviously much lesser extent) sticking a happy ending onto Casablanca or taking the ethnic slurs out of American History X.

[this message was edited by Radish on Sat 14 Dec 18:14]

whitesword

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"Re(4):Re(10):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Sat 14 Dec 19:11

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What would push it over to an M rating? I haven't played the import obviously so I don't know was Namco had to edit out.

I'm sure aliens ripping people to pieces is one reason...

SONIC BURNER....!? (Ok

it's just the Burning Fist)

sabo10
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"Re(4):Re(10):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Sat 14 Dec 19:31

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*has a heart attack*

Must...mod...PS2...!
Must...get...non-spoony...Japanese...version...!
But...must...learn...Japanese...first...!

You don't even need to learn Japanese.

Just print out Jetfuel's game translation, staple it together, and keep it on your lap while playing.

http://gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/game/31837.html

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RugalBernstein

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"Re(5):Re(10):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Sat 14 Dec 20:02

Hey, Sabo10.. here's a game that should be right up your alley.
http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?letter=S&game_id=2679

sabo10
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"Re(6):Re(10):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Sat 14 Dec 20:17

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Hey, Sabo10.. here's a game that should be right up your alley.
http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?letter=S&game_id=2679

SABOTEN SMOKE BREAK!

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Zepy

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"Re(7):Re(10):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Sat 14 Dec 21:55

As far as I know, Xenosaga is supposed to be completely unrelated to Xenogears, but it is set in a similar world with similar elements. Something of a parallel world I would think.

Mog
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"Re(3):Re(10):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Sun 15 Dec 11:46

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I have been informed that it was submitted to the ESRB, and any content that would move it into the M category was removed to for the benefit of increased sales potential in the T rating.

The decisive factor in the ESRB giving a game either a 'T', or 'M' ratting is the intensity of the violent and sexual content present, and not the maturity of the story. As for Namco editing Xenosaga for the purpose of it getting a 'T' ratting, they more than likely just removed, or reduced the amount of blood spilt. Yes it?s annoying, but it?s not as bad as it could be. Remember, Xenogears got a ?T? ratting, and it had a much more mature story than 98% of the ?M? ratted games out there.

Rid Hershel

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"Re(4):Re(10):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Sun 15 Dec 12:00

We are talking about Namco of America, they removed the story from Ace Combat 3 and even cut a character from Tales of Destiny. You can expect heavy cuts.

Mog
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"Re(5):Re(10):XenoSaga impressions" , posted Sun 15 Dec 12:12

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We are talking about Namco of America, they removed the story from Ace Combat 3 and even cut a character from Tales of Destiny. You can expect heavy cuts.

I thought they cut the story of Ace Combat 3 so they could ship the game on a single disc, and not for any reasons involving the story it's self? That was at least my understanding of it at least, I could be wrong though.

I never got a chance to play Tales of Destiny, so I can't say anything about that. However, both of those games are rather old now, so maybe Namco's practice of editing game content is in the past. Can anyone think of any rescent examples?