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| Radish 624th Post
 
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|  "Re(2):PSO"
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I been playing it for a while and it has been a good investment. The number of idiocy and cheaters have been reduced greatly, and now its a pretty big game (episode 1&2 and their different difficulties.) If people dont agree with the fee thats great, stay away from the servers.
Besides, most people spend more than $9 a month stuffing their faces with junk food or buying unnecessary stuff. Whats the big deal?
FFXI you say? 100 or 200 dollar hard drive, plus the network adaptor, plus dog knows what Sony might charge for their solid services. Oh and you have a PS2 gameshark too.
Edit: I like whipping people with $9 dollar network cables.
Am I the only one that thinks that $9 a month is a HUGE rip off when it comes to playing Phantasy Star Online? I mean it's really just a pretty looking 3D diablo clone, the core of which is 2 years old.
What makes the fee even more ludicrous is that I'm almost sure that the game is still played off of the host's console and Sega is just providing a matching service, not a playable server like Everquest or FFXI.
A year ago I MIGHT have paid the $3 is Sega would have gotten its act together and stamped out the cheaters more effectively, but seriously I could play any number of games that are much more in depth than PSO for $10 a month. FFXI will squelch it when it eventually comes out over here.
Well, you have to buy the network adapter for the Gamecube as well, it's just that there's a lot more use for the PS2 network adapter than the Gamecube one. The cost will probably be about $10 a month since any more and no one would play so really you're just paying the differnce of the hard drive. Plus since all your info is stored on the server and there are employed GMs, the chances for cheating is much smaller.
Plus you really can't compare the amount of stuff you can do and customize in FFXI to PSO. It really blows it away. Don't get me wrong, Sony is really dragging its feet with the damn hard drive though. I'm guessing they don't want FFXI moving in on Everquest Online's sales.
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| Undead Fred
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| "Re(6):X-Box?" , posted Mon 9 Dec 22:04:
I'd get an XBox. I've got a PS2 and saved up for an XBox after I found out about more games exclusive to that system that were coming out... DOA, Halo, Jet Grind, etc. And then you have awesome online play.
I can't stand Nintendo, and they just seem to keep milking old franchises anyway. "What should we do today?" "Hmm. Let's make a brand new game. It's a game where Link takes the place of Mario in MarioLand! It'll be called, 'Super Link Land Black Sunshine!'"
Ehh, I don't know. They look like fun games and all, but I think they should try something different (I know they make a new game every once in a while, but personally I'm sick of these thousands of Mario/Metroid/Link/whatever games over and over). The only thing I'd want a GC for is the two or three new Resident Evil games, but otherwise, I've got no reason to get one. Plus, I can't stand their controllers. They did a good job with controller design up to the SNES, then went insane once they got to the N64.
So, my long-winded vote would be for XBox.
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| kaepora
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| "Re: Xbox?" , posted Mon 9 Dec 22:35
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I can't stand Nintendo, and they just seem to keep milking old franchises anyway. "What should we do today?" "Hmm. Let's make a brand new game. It's a game where Link takes the place of Mario in MarioLand! It'll be called, 'Super Link Land Black Sunshine!'"
Ehh, I don't know. They look like fun games and all, but I think they should try something different (I know they make a new game every once in a while, but personally I'm sick of these thousands of Mario/Metroid/Link/whatever games over and over). The only thing I'd want a GC for is the two or three new Resident Evil games, but otherwise, I've got no reason to get one. Plus, I can't stand their controllers. They did a good job with controller design up to the SNES, then went insane once they got to the N64.
So, my long-winded vote would be for XBox.
I don't know, it seems more like they are on this mindset where everything has to be different.
"Let's make a Mario game... but we'll make him use a water gun for everything."
"Let's make a sequel to StarFox... where he fights on foot."
"Hey, it's a Metroid sequel... in First Person Perspective."
[Note: I do not necessarily object to this; I'm just commenting on what it looks like to me.]
Anyway, the end result of picking any system is that it's about the games (as has been stated before). It seems like the PS2 and the Xbox share a lot more ports between them than either one does with the GameCube. I think most Xbox people hate Sony and most PS2 people have MS, and each one picks up a GameCube as a secondary system for the first-party games...
(Side note: Wasn't PSO supposed to be ported to Xbox, or did that get canned?)
Of course, you could just get a lot of stuff for the systems you have right now.
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| CrazyMax
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| "Re(1):X-Box?" , posted Tue 10 Dec 09:26
Wow!
Thanx everyone. That was way more informative than I usually get from boards. ( I.E. Gamefaqs my usual haunt ill as of late )
LOL
I am not sure how the topic drifted towards Nintendo. I have never really considered the GC, because I have never been a big fan of Nintendo games. Sorry, I have never been a big fan of Mario, Zelda, or Samus, which kinda kills their big guns for me.
I only seriously looked at X - Box cause I DON'T like playing games on my comp, and want to play Halo. I'm a die hard PS2 owner, but have to face facts that some stuff will NOT come out on it. That stuff that I maybe interested in will be on the X-Box, not GC.
I just figured if I had choice of some people getting me one "big" ($250) gift, if the X-Box was the way to go.
"You know they have a word for people who think everyone is against them"
"Yeah perceptive!" -Woody Allen Jade Scorpion
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| ONSLAUGHT 2333th Post
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| "Mmmmmhh..." , posted Tue 10 Dec 10:18:
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Here is some numbers....
Ps2 in japan: ~4,500 000
X-box in japan:~400 000
Number of X-box sold in europe in 2 MONTH: 500 000.
Number of Game cube sold in Europe in 2 WEEKS: 400 000.
I'm a x-box hater, I think that gates didn't understand the videogames market spirit, who is totaly diffrent od the CPU one...
IMO the X-box will always be at the 3rd place...Power doesn't mean nothing, good games yes.
And IMO halo if for me( like Rid said long time ago) the 1st hide and seek simulator...
Oh! a last thing the only departement of Micro$oft who have bad finacial result is the X-box branch with a 177 million dollars lost.........
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Ok, Naruto, what's the point of hating a system so much? I find it pointless...
Let's see:
1.- THE X-BOX IS A PC!!!! GET A PC INSTEAD AN X-BOX!!!111 ROXORS FOXORS HAXZORS!!!11
That comment seemed semi valid the first days of the X-Box, but now I find it retarded. The X-Box is a console, not a PC, period.
You can play some X-Box games on PC, but you can play some PS2 games on PC as well (FF, GTA, Hitman, etc.).
Not all of us have a Super computer with 2.8 teragigs of Ram and a Geforce 9 with 458 gigs of memory just to play games without slowdown or sluggish graphics.
Playing games on a PC is a pain in the ass for me, you have to configure everything, while on any console you just put the disc and that's all, ready to play, no configuration bullshit.
2.- BILL GATES IS EVIL, BILL GATES WANTS TO CONQUER THEW WORLD, THE ANTICHRIST IS COMING!!!!11
No, he's not evil, he's just a VERY smart businessman, that's all. Don't tell me that you think businessmen are nice people that work for the love of art? Business are business, even if that means stepping on the little one, everyone does it, sad but true (I'm not saying it's ok to do it, but it's the cold truth).
Plus, Bill Gates is nothing but a figurehead at Microsoft, he has nothing to do with the X-Box development.
3.- MICROSOFT KNOWS JACK SHIT ABOUT GAMES! SONY AND NINTENDO RULZ!!!
Ahem, well, don't tell me Sony was an eminence in games when they entered the market... The never did a single videogame, and to this days, the PSX and PS2 survive only from third party games, aside from Gran Turismo and maybe Ico, tell me another game from Sony that make you buy a PS2.
Nintedo is in this business for money, same goes to MS and Sony, no one works for free.
4.- I HATE THE X-BOX FOR NO REASON!!1
Yeah, so? I hate Nintendo, but I REALLY want a Cubito (GC), there are awesome games coming for it (Mainly from Capcom), and I want to give a try to the new Metroid. I want a GBA as well for the new Metroid and the Capcom games.
I wasn't interested in the X-Box when it came out, but now I really want the system, Steel Batallion, Shenmue 2, JGRF, Splinter Cell, CvS2 online and some other games are my reason for wanting this system.
With that said, goodbye!
[this message was edited by ONSLAUGHT on Tue 10 Dec 10:25] |
| NARUTO 1178th Post
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| "for you ONSLAUGHT." , posted Tue 10 Dec 11:22:
AHAAA! glad to see you back ONSLAUGHT, Yup I'm an X-box hater and Here's why...
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Ok, Naruto, what's the point of hating a system so much? I find it pointless...
Let's see:
1.- THE X-BOX IS A PC!!!! GET A PC INSTEAD AN X-BOX!!!111 ROXORS FOXORS HAXZORS!!!11
That comment seemed semi valid the first days of the X-Box, but now I find it retarded. The X-Box is a console, not a PC, period.
You can play some X-Box games on PC, but you can play some PS2 games on PC as well (FF, GTA, Hitman, etc.).
Not all of us have a Super computer with 2.8 teragigs of Ram and a Geforce 9 with 458 gigs of memory just to play games without slowdown or sluggish graphics.
Playing games on a PC is a pain in the ass for me, you have to configure everything, while on any console you just put the disc and that's all, ready to play, no configuration bullshit.
As for me a big box that made the double of the size of a video game console with an Hard drive, I call it a Computer.
I will add that she's the easiest system to pirate, Copy, or to add a Modchip...
It won't surpise me that a keyboard will be avalable with the Net acces soon. (Like the DC if you want..)
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2.- BILL GATES IS EVIL, BILL GATES WANTS TO CONQUER THEW WORLD, THE ANTICHRIST IS COMING!!!!11
No, he's not evil, he's just a VERY smart businessman, that's all. Don't tell me that you think businessmen are nice people that work for the love of art? Business are business, even if that means stepping on the little one, everyone does it, sad but true (I'm not saying it's ok to do it, but it's the cold truth).
Plus, Bill Gates is nothing but a figurehead at Microsoft, he has nothing to do with the X-Box development.
NO! Micro$oft are bad!! well stop with the foolishness now...
You said he's a strong businessman?? I don't find him strong but lucky... If he got he's gold letters in the CPU market I didn't find him great on the console one, Maybe he's stupid sentence like :"We have made a smaller joypad for Japanese people because they got little hands" wasn't clever IMO...
Oh and since Mr gates is "inocent" in the X-box project, (that would surprise me!!) from now on I will only bash Mr Jay Hallard...
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3.- MICROSOFT KNOWS JACK SHIT ABOUT GAMES! SONY AND NINTENDO RULZ!!!
Ahem, well, don't tell me Sony was an eminence in games when they entered the market... The never did a single videogame, and to this days, the PSX and PS2 survive only from third party games, aside from Gran Turismo and maybe Ico, tell me another game from Sony that make you buy a PS2.
Nintedo is in this business for money, same goes to MS and Sony, no one works for free.
Maybe your right, in fact I'm sure you are, but Sony comes on the market in a humbly way, saiyng that they will try their best to ofer the best to the customer, and now I think they've made their proof.
Gates comes as usual like he already knows everything and that he only can change something. What does that means, you gonna call that business method?? If you wish, but in this case they're lame........
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4.- I HATE THE X-BOX FOR NO REASON!!1
Yeah, so? I hate Nintendo, but I REALLY want a Cubito (GC), there are awesome games coming for it (Mainly from Capcom), and I want to give a try to the new Metroid. I want a GBA as well for the new Metroid and the Capcom games.
I wasn't interested in the X-Box when it came out, but now I really want the system, Steel Batallion, Shenmue 2, JGRF, Splinter Cell, CvS2 online and some other games are my reason for wanting this system.
With that said, goodbye!
I didn't likr her because I think that she got nothing to ofer, so far all the games I've played on it, where boring or bad done...
Even the moster of powerfull technology she seems to be didn't show something impresive to me, you gonna says that the need parctice on it, OK, but for the easiest Programing system, I find this strange...
IMO she didn't have radiant futur, but won't says anything agaisnt those who got it or play on it. I was just giving my opinion on the subject to someone who have asked for it.
If you like it and have fun with it Great!!
Just like me and my ps2....
And I find normal that you and me does everything to "defend " our own point of wiew.
Anyway I'm gald to see you back on the board, and it's not our diffrent idea that gonna make me unrespect you...
[this message was edited by NARUTO on Wed 11 Dec 01:41] |
| ONSLAUGHT 2333th Post
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| "Re(1):for you ONSLAUGHT." , posted Tue 10 Dec 13:54
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AHAAA! glad to see you back ONSLAUGHT, Yup I'm an X-box hater and Here's why...
Well, you're saying that the X-Box is a PC because it has a Hard Drive, mouse, keyboard and it's twice the size of any console right?
Well, then, according to that logic, the PS2 is a PC as well!
It will have a Hard Drive, it has a USB port, it will have a keyboard and a mouse. The PS2 is twice the size of a PSX, a Nes and a Snes. It reads DVD's just like a computer, and don't forget the broadband adaptor, or a modem... See? PS2 is a PC!! Holy something!!!
And about the games, I really doubt that you've played every X-Box game available.
I mean, don't you like Jet Grind Radio Future? Or Shenmue 2? or Steel Battalion? or Splinter Cell?
What about Crazy Taxi 3? or Halo? Blinx? Oddworld? and don't forget the porn for all ages games like DoA 3 and DoAX! (hehe).
There are tons of games worth getting in X-Box, and I'm pretty sure there would be more in the future, why not embrace the system?
BTW, My favorite system is the PS2 (Damn, I can't wait for Tenchu 3 and DMC2!!), but that doesn't mean that I'm negated for the rest of the systems.
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| Time Mage 1093th Post
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| "Rally-Ho!" , posted Tue 10 Dec 14:51
Microsoft is EEEEVILL, but damn, XBox has some great games! PD Orta, Jet Grind Radio 2... eehh... Well, there's 2 or 3 more, but I don't recall now.
The important thing is: Buy the console you want, not the console you're told to buy. I wanted a N64, because I liked to play Mario 64, even when all my friends told me to buy a PSX. I'm happy with that decission. PSX has great games, but N64 has other great ones too, and given my economy, I bought less games than I wanted to, so... (maybe if I were rich, a PSX would have been better... but I didn't and still don't have money and time for so many games...)
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| CrazyMike 370th Post
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| "Re(4):X-Box?" , posted Tue 10 Dec 17:13:
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Do what I did, get a Xbox and a modchip, load up SNES, Genesis, NES, and Mame emulator, and fill the Xbox hard drive with rom-o-mania. Plus you can watch Divx movies on it ^_^
WHT how can you do all THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and what is the format the Xbox uses?divx?
Well the security protection was beaten on the Xbox about half a year ago and with modchips, people have homebrewed applications for it with a leaked SDK kit. To simply put it, Mame has been ported to Xbox, with the Xboxe's 64 megs of ram you can at least play up to King of Fighters 96 and Real Bout FF Special and just about every other Mame rom under 22 megs zipped. Final Burn has also been ported, full speed Marvel v.s Capcom and Street Fighter Alpha 2 on the Box @_@ Also there are emulators for just about every classic 8-bit and 16-bit system. You store the programs and roms on the Xbox hard drive, you transfer the files over from your computer to the Xbox using a network cable and a FTP program. There are also lots of other programs, there is a Divx player, mp3 player (next version to have shoutcast support) etc.
Also the Xbox only has a 10 gig HD, but I plan on buying a bigger one soon and replacing the HD in the Xbox with that one. Anyway if you want more info go to http://www.xbox-scene.com / not to sound like a advertisement but this is all I play with the Xbox is classic games.
P.S, I hope this doesn't get me into trouble @_@
[this message was edited by CrazyMike on Tue 10 Dec 19:09] |
| NARUTO 1178th Post
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| "Re(2):for you ONSLAUGHT." , posted Wed 11 Dec 02:05
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Well, you're saying that the X-Box is a PC because it has a Hard Drive, mouse, keyboard and it's twice the size of any console right?
Well, then, according to that logic, the PS2 is a PC as well!
It will have a Hard Drive, it has a USB port, it will have a keyboard and a mouse. The PS2 is twice the size of a PSX, a Nes and a Snes. It reads DVD's just like a computer, and don't forget the broadband adaptor, or a modem... See? PS2 is a PC!! Holy something!!!
True!! but you won't tell me that the X-box isn't a CPU clone, she is architectured like a CPU, is programed like a CPU and got the same problem as the CPU...
I haven't count the number of X-box I've see bug or Crash, and so far my PS2 not.
Won't chnage the fact that MS edit on her more CPU-ized games....FPS, Online,....
and so far some japanese editor still refuse to make some game on it, and the number I've shown before was just here to show a lack of sucess, things that th PS2 didn't got at her launch.
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And about the games, I really doubt that you've played every X-Box game available.
I mean, don't you like Jet Grind Radio Future? Or Shenmue 2? or Steel Battalion? or Splinter Cell?
What about Crazy Taxi 3? or Halo? Blinx? Oddworld? and don't forget the porn for all ages games like DoA 3 and DoAX! (hehe).
I've played those and....
JGRF: just a copy and paste of the DC with minor gange.
Shenmue 2: copy and paste...
Steel battalion: not played
Spleenter Cell: abad done sub-metal gear IMO...
Crazi taxi 3: I don't like the 2 first.
Halo: the stupidest FPS I ever see, Even Duke Nukem one PS1 was more fun...
Blinx: a bad done plateform game, if the system is intersting and inovative the game is graphicaly "normal" (where the X-box super power??) and game himself is just a "die and try again" for all his level, like I said , boring...
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There are tons of games worth getting in X-Box, and I'm pretty sure there would be more in the future, why not embrace the system?
So far only 2 names catch my attention:
Panzer dragoon orta.
Crimson seas.
But since they come from independant editor I'll wait for a PS2 or GC version.
(Koei is a fidel PS2 editor so A got no fear for Crimson seas...)
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BTW, My favorite system is the PS2 (Damn, I can't wait for Tenchu 3 and DMC2!!), but that doesn't mean that I'm negated for the rest of the systems.
Glad to here that, but so far if I "negate" the X-box like you said, it's because I think that She ( and MS too) have nothing to ofer to the gamimg world.
What MS said about the X-box remeber me what Atari said about the Jaguar....
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| Omar
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|  "XPC"
, posted Wed 11 Dec 02:52
I have some time to kill. And since I think CrazyMike has the info he wanted, that means it's not too bad to take another turn on this thread.
So...hope you don't mind, Onslaught hehe
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True!! but you won't tell me that the X-box isn't a CPU clone, she is architectured like a CPU, is programed like a CPU and got the same problem as the CPU...
You know, game consoles are PCs optimized for games that use TVs instead of regular monitors. They all have a CPU (one or more), RAM, graphic chips, etc. Some of them have keyboard, mouse, etc. Some of them not.
But they all are computers after all.
Anyway, the Gamecube has an IBM PowerPC-like CPU, and an Ati graphic chipset. And many Macintosh computers have the PowerPC CPU and an Ati graphic chipset. Does that mean that the Gamecube is a Macintosh clone? Of course not, and the same goes for the Xbox.
About Japan, you are absolutly right. They really need some help there. However, in America it's in second place. I have no idea how it's doing in Europe. But I can tell you this: sales are irrelevant for us gamers. I mean, the Dreamcast didn't do too well, either, and yet we all love it don't we? ;)
About the Xbox having nothing to offer the gaming world, well, there's this thing called Xbox Live wich I belive is a first time thing right? Like, neither Sony nor Nintendo has done something like it before and apparently is doing well. I mean, Capcom fighting games online for us players that don't live in Japan. That is a Good Thing (tm)
Maybe you mean "the xbox has nothing to offer ME" instead of "the xbox has nothing to offer the GAMING WORLD" In that case, yes, you might not find anything attractive on the console and thats cool and everything. We all have diferent games/consoles/opinions about whate we like or hate.
Just don't say that since you don't find anything interesting on the Xbox, the rest of the gaming world won't find anything good in the Xbox either.
After all, some people still play with their Atari Jaguars hehehe ;)
It occurs to me that an awful lot of trouble in Gotham City could have been averted a long time ago if Batman had just ripped the Joker's nipples off.
A man with the nipples ripped off him does not make the same mistakes twice.
I mean crime in Gotham City doesn't exactly seem to be affected by a man dressed as a bat flapping around the place. But no-one disobeys a man wearing a necklace of human nipples.
"I'm Batman" isn't cutting it in the striking-fear-into-their-hearts stakes. But "I'm Batman -- and I'm here for your nipples" is an entirely different proposition.
-- Warren Ellis
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| ONSLAUGHT 2336th Post
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| "Re(1):XPC" , posted Wed 11 Dec 08:17
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I have some time to kill. And since I think CrazyMike has the info he wanted, that means it's not too bad to take another turn on this thread.
So...hope you don't mind, Onslaught hehe
He he, of course I don't mind, you've replied better than I ever could (Damn engrish, ha ha).
I agree with your points, every console is a PC optimized only for gaming.
In fact the Dreamcast used Windows CE and had a modem, and I hear no one complain about that.
I think there's nothing more to add I think, until Naruto replies that is, ha ha.
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| CrazyMax
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| "Amen about the DC!" , posted Wed 11 Dec 08:32
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About Japan, you are absolutly right. They really need some help there. However, in America it's in second place. I have no idea how it's doing in Europe. But I can tell you this: sales are irrelevant for us gamers. I mean, the Dreamcast didn't do too well, either, and yet we all love it don't we? ;)
Amen! At last something that refers to my original post. I never bashed or asked about comparisons between GC or XBox. Just if some people thought the X was worth the investment. The best advice I've heard was the advice I used to give at the video game store I ran. Look at the games. Unfortunately for me, like the GC, not a lot of the X's games rock me like the PS2.
Tried War of Monsters yet? Funny and original game! Well worth getting the demo out of OPM.
Right now I am looking enviously still at Halo, Mech Assualt, & perhaps at Soul Calibur 2. Perhaps...
Anyways the real reason for posting...
Omar loved your sig. Finally stopped by WarrenEllis.com, and been lovin it.
"You know they have a word for people who think everyone is against them"
"Yeah perceptive!" -Woody Allen Jade Scorpion
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| NARUTO 1180th Post
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| "Re(1):XPC" , posted Thu 12 Dec 03:04
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About Japan, you are absolutly right. They really need some help there. However, in America it's in second place. I have no idea how it's doing in Europe. But I can tell you this: sales are irrelevant for us gamers. I mean, the Dreamcast didn't do too well, either, and yet we all love it don't we? ;)
That closely the same, in Europe people doen"s really like MS, and the PS2 and GC sold really better...
I still think she's useless on the market and still think that gates will lost this "war". Online gaming isn't really a good argument since it's REALLY expensive in europe so only a few one will be able to get it... it seems too that eropean peoples doesn't really like the online games, and prefer to play with 2 or 4 player game at home...
In japan for the X-box live a Credit card is needed and it seems that you can have one if your not 18-21 years old, (very clever!!) so once agian that will not be good for them....
Well I will finish by a "wait and see" , we will know soon enough who will lost this war, and all I know is if it's MS, they said that they won't do a new system and just leave the market.
Anyway in any case, I think that the public will be tha winner of all of this.
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