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| Luisinan
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|  "SFA continuity is screwy"
, posted Wed 4 Dec 02:42
SFA continuity is screwy- and that's just within the trilogy of games.
Why Akuma calls Gen master?
I believe that Akuma knows that Gen is a badass, so he respects him by calling him master, not because he is his student. They also know that each other exist not because they were friends or trained together, but because they are both well known fighters. Get my drift? This is not cannon, I am just speculating. Besides it is known that Gen IS NOT Akuma's master- that is fact. And all of these speculations rise from TiamatRoars SF Story Faq which is a HIGHLY credible source of legit information.
Why Akuma and Ken or Ryu do not recognize each other?
This is totally dumb! In every game they appear together Ryu and Ken never have a special intro with Akuma. This is dumb is all I can say. In SFA2, SFA3, CvS2 and even 3S Ryu acknowledges Akuma's importance through win quotes, mid boss and end boss dialogues and endings- yet the the two do not have a special intro. Ryu and Ken watched Akuma kill their teacher for goodness sake!
What's funny is that Ken has a CvS2 win qoute where he sort of acknowledges that Ryu and Akuma train harder then him. So in CvS2 Ken definitely knows who Akuma is, but he really doesn't care. Go figure.
Same with Ryu, I think he has an Akuma specific win quote in CvS2 where he goes on about not wanting to use dark hadou like Akuma. Whatever!
If you want to have a good laugh and good reading material, go to DC section in Gamefaqs.com, look up CvS2 and read the win quote faq. It is missing A LOT of win quotes but it still is a fun read. The Japanese version of CvS2 had individual win quotes, between team members win quotes and talking smack about the loser win quotes. That is a lot of win quotes! It is another travesty that almost none of these win quotes got translated in the American version of CvS2 because the quotes really reveal a lot about each character and they are fun to read! Especially Eagle's (let's just say he's a lover and not a fighter- in a "Zangief is gay" type of way!)
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| TiamatRoar 315th Post
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| "Re(2):SFA continuity is screwy" , posted Wed 4 Dec 06:07:
I wouldn't be too surprised if Capcom had designed what Gouken looked like long before Street Fighter Alpha back when they made Street Fighter 1. Street Fighter Alpha just happened to be Gouken and Goutetsu's first (and perhaps only) in-game appearance, but Capcom probably had official art of him laying around in their archives long before then (and most likely never publically released or at least extremely rare, probably the latter).
Because of Urien's quote to Chun-Li, it's conjectured that she's the one that beat Bison (and thus is the champion) in the Street Fighter 2 tournament, though Capcom never stated (we know that it was Akuma that killed Bison then, though, at least). However, Urien's quote can also be a reference to how she played a major hand in tearing down Shadaloo in Street Fighter Alpha 3. Or it may be a reference to how even though someone else may have won the SF2 tournament (assuming Chun-Li didn't win it), Chun-Li took down what was left of Shadaloo after that. Street Fighter 2 Revival removes Chun-Li's quote that she destroyed Bison, saying she just destroyed Shadaloo, while Balrog's ending showed that Shadaloo survived for at least a few months after Bison went down before finally being taken down, itself, presumedly mostly by Chun-Li, judging by Urien's ending.
Course, there's always the oft chance that Urien wasn't talking about Shadaloo when he mentioned "that organization", but I find that highly doubtful, since what else would he be talking about? :P
[this message was edited by TiamatRoar on Wed 4 Dec 06:10] |
| CPSIII
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| "Re(1):Gouken and Goutetsu picture identificat" , posted Wed 4 Dec 09:08
quote:
http://vegetaou814.tripod.com/sfshotokan.html
Does anyone know where these pictures of Gouken and Goutetsu came from?
Looking at the site made a question spawn in my head. When does Ryu accept a student? I mean their style (wether it be anasatsuken or shotokan) has to live on, and Sean is not the the right one, Ken (as seans master) is not so serious about fighting and shawn has not as much talent as previous anasatsuken masters.
And it made me realize that even though most people complain that SF has no real storyline that you could do an very good epic drama out of sf I mean the story is spread over so many years and generations, it's like a saga (dragon ball, star wars, etc)
Here is a little pic to show what I mean:
Link Here
And regarding that thing with Goukens daughter, it's the only SF female I can think of that would bond with Ryu and vice versa. And he would be the only rival to Mel (like in Ryu/Ken rivality) I can think of
The last/next part of SF should have a great ending, where a connection between all 3 tournaments (and series') is revealed you know something dramatic. And you could do much to the story about Ryu in the next sf, a possible ending (includes engrish):
*you see Ryu walking down a crowded street*
Ryu 'Lately fighting doesn't seem to fill me with joy and excitement anymore like it used to do...'
*Ryu looking down to the street while walking*
Ryu '... and XXX (whoever is the next boss)was a good fight but he wasn't a real competitor like Ken used to be back in our training days and now that master oro passed away too...'
*a mental picture of Ken appears*
Ken 'You know what Ryu, it isn't all about fighting! What will you do when you are old when you aren't able to fight anymore?'
*suddenly Ryu stops with a slightly shocked face*
Ryu "..."
Ken 'You know, maybe you should look for something else too, I for example have my family...'
*suddenly someone runs into him*
Woman: "Oh I'm sorry, I came around the corner and didn't see you and ...."
Ryu 'All right Ken I'll try something else.'
*Ryu smiling*
Ryu: "That's alright it was my fault, I'm sorry.
*Woman smiling back*
Woman: "Hehe nothing happened ... I'm Kasumi what's your name"
*both are seen walking away from distance*
END
I know it's cheesy but it's a good interlude for the next game.
And in the following game, they both could have a child and Ryu's wife is kidnapped by the boss (which would be cool if it was an ultimate and final Gouki). And in Ryu's ending before you battle akuma:
*Ryu is seen on some sort of plateau holding his wife in his arms*
Ryu: "Kasumi, Kasumi are you alright? Speak to me Kasumi"
Kasumi: "Ryu my love, .... *standard coughcough* please *cough* ... take care of our son/daughter...I....*cough*...love...."
*...DEAD*
Ryu: "KASUMI, KASUMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
*after a while he stands up and goes near the edge of the cliff where Akuma awaits him*
Ryu: "..."
*both stare at each other*
Akuma "are you now willing to fight with all your might Ryu?"
"AKUMAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Ryu screams as he rushes forward *screen goes white*
BOSS BATTLE
ENDING #1:
*akuma is seen on his knees*
Akuma "Aha you defeated me in combat but I still win ahaha"
Akuma "Now you know the power of the dark hadou haha you are just like me HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
*standing and breathing heavily*
Akuma "you thought just because you have wife and a child would protect you from you curse? HAHA or should I say because you HAD a wife? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA"
YAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH *Ryu screams he performs a Shun Goku Satsu on Akuma and kills him.
Now Ryu has became what he despited the most, just like akuma he now follows the path of the dark hadou.
END ENDING VERSION #1
The pro of this ending is that it's dramatic and a very good start for the following part with a new generation Mel and Ryu's son/daughter.
END #2
I'll make that one short because I'm exhausted from writing all this crap ;)
Ryu kills akuma but isn't consumed by the dark hadou, he lost all his hope and get's back to what he does the best .... fighting, he coninues his training trying to be the strongest and to be able to protect the ones he loves (aka his child).
He takes the hand of his son/daughter and beginns to wander the world again in search of worthy opponents.
END #2
Now please don't laugh at me, this is the first time I tried to write something like that.
Looking at the site made a question spawn in my head. When does Ryu accept a student? I mean their style (wether it be anasatsuken or shotokan) has to live on, and Sean is not the the right one, Ken (as seans master) is not so serious about fighting and shawn has not as much talent as previous anasatsuken masters.
And it made me realize that even though most people complain that SF has no real storyline that you could do an very good epic drama out of sf I mean the story is spread over so many years and generations, it's like a saga (dragon ball, star wars, etc)
Here is a little pic to show what I mean:
http://members.chello.at/isabellar/masters_tree.gif
And regarding that thing with Goukens daughter, it's the only SF female I can think of that would bond with Ryu and vice versa. And he would be the only rival to Mel (like in Ryu/Ken rivality) I can think of
The last/next part of SF should have a great ending, where a connection between all 3 tournaments (and series') is revealed you know something dramatic. And you could do much to the story about Ryu in the next sf, a possible ending (includes engrish):
*you see Ryu walking down a crowded street*
Ryu 'Lately fighting doesn't seem to fill me with joy and excitement anymore like it used to do...'
*Ryu looking down to the street while walking*
Ryu '... and XXX (whoever is the next boss)was a good fight but he wasn't a real competitor like Ken used to be back in our training days and now that master oro passed away too...'
*a mental picture of Ken appears*
Ken 'You know what Ryu, it isn't all about fighting! What will you do when you are old when you aren't able to fight anymore?'
*suddenly Ryu stops with a slightly shocked face*
Ryu "..."
Ken 'You know, maybe you should look for something else too, I for example have my family...'
*suddenly someone runs into him*
Woman: "Oh I'm sorry, I came around the corner and didn't see you and ...."
Ryu 'All right Ken I'll try something else.'
*Ryu smiling*
Ryu: "That's alright it was my fault, I'm sorry.
*Woman smiling back*
Woman: "Hehe nothing happened ... I'm Kasumi what's your name"
*both are seen walking away from distance*
END
I know it's cheesy but it's a good interlude for the next game.
And in the following game, they both could have a child and Ryu's wife is kidnapped by the boss (which would be cool if it was an ultimate and final Gouki). And in Ryu's ending before you battle akuma:
*Ryu is seen on some sort of plateau holding his wife in his arms*
Ryu: "Kasumi, Kasumi are you alright? Speak to me Kasumi"
Kasumi: "Ryu my love, .... *standard coughcough* please *cough* ... take care of our son/daughter...I....*cough*...love...."
*...DEAD*
Ryu: "KASUMI, KASUMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
*after a while he stands up and goes near the edge of the cliff where Akuma awaits him*
Ryu: "..."
*both stare at each other*
Akuma "are you now willing to fight with all your might Ryu?"
"AKUMAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Ryu screams as he rushes forward *screen goes white*
BOSS BATTLE
ENDING #1:
*akuma is seen on his knees*
Akuma "Aha you defeated me in combat but I still win ahaha"
Akuma "Now you know the power of the dark hadou haha you are just like me HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
*standing and breathing heavily*
Akuma "you thought just because you have wife and a child would protect you from you curse? HAHA or should I say because you HAD a wife? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA"
YAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH *Ryu screams he performs a Shun Goku Satsu on Akuma and kills him.
Now Ryu has became what he despited the most, just like akuma he now follows the path of the dark hadou.
END ENDING VERSION #1
The pro of this ending is that it's dramatic and a very good start for the following part with a new generation Mel and Ryu's son/daughter.
END #2
I'll make that one short because I'm exhausted from writing all this crap ;)
Ryu kills akuma but isn't consumed by the dark hadou, he lost all his hope and get's back to what he does the best .... fighting, he coninues his training trying to be the strongest and to be able to protect the ones he loves (aka his child).
He takes the hand of his son/daughter and beginns to wander the world again in search of worthy opponents.
END #2
Now please don't laugh at me, this is the first time I tried to write something like that.
How are you doin'
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| Dash no Chris
83th Post
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| "Re(4):Gouken and Goutetsu picture identificat" , posted Sun 8 Dec 22:00
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What is interesting is I could of sworn I saw the official Capcom's likeness of Gouken in the crappy US Street Fighter comics yet they came before SF Alpha 1? Did Capcom actually borrow a few things from our shores?
I think you're referring to Kanzaki Masaomi's manga, Street Fighter II - RYU. This manga is 11 chapters in length, with the first 9 chapters forming the main story arc and the last 2 chapters acting as an additional story (concerning a battle between Ryu, Ken, Guile, Chun-Li, Bison, Balrog, Sagat, Vega, and their 2P-colored clones). This manga was first published in Japan in the pages of Family Computer Magazine (a bi-weekly publication). The first 9 chapters were printed in FCM from May, 1992 to June, 1993 (chapters 1-5 were published one per month, with 6-9 being published two per month). The last 2 chapters (each of which was longer than any of the first 9 chapters) were originally published in 7 parts, in 7 issues of FCM (2 parts each month) from May, 1994 to September, 1994. Ultimately, the 11 chapters (with some extra text and illustration material) were published as 3 tankoubon (bound volumes) by Tokuma Shoten Intermedia, under that company's Tokuma Intermedia Comics (TIC) label. Street Fighter II - RYU Vol. 1 (published 5/20/1993) featured chapters 1-5, Vol. 2 (7/20/1993) concluded the primary story arc with chapters 6-9, and Vol. 3 (finally published 1/15/1995) contained the bonus story told in chapters 10-11.
Chapters 1-9 of Kanzaki Masaomi's Street Fighter II - RYU were published in English by Tokuma (and distributed by Viz Communications) in the U.S. from 4/1994 to 12/1994. Re-titled "Street Fighter II," the English edition was colorized, and included censorship of both images and dialogue. Additionally, the spelling of the name of Vega's organization was changed from SHADOLL (the way Kanzaki originally spelled it) to Shadowlaw.
Gouken's appearance in Street Fighter II - RYU comes from 3 rough design sketches from CAPCOM, on which Kanzaki based his illustrations. These sketches are reproduced on the last page of the appendix of Vol. 1 of the Japanese release of Street Fighter II - RYU.
Gouken's SFII-RYU appearance is fairly similar to his image in Gouki's Street Fighter ZERO ending sequence. The major difference is that Kanzaki's Gouken has a black beard (and hair) that is slightly less well trimmed than the white beard (and hair) of SFZ's Gouken. One other aspect of Kanzaki's design (which I don't think I've seen repeated elsewhere) is the large, black kanji character on the back of his shirt/tunic/jacket/thing. The kanji is pronounced "mu," and means "nothing, nil, negation; none" -- it's found as the first character in the words "muteki" and "musou." In chapter 9 of SFII-RYU, Ryu returns to the Grand Fight tournament (he'd been buried alive by a Psycho Power-controlled Ken) after having painted this same kanji on the back of his gi. In chapters 10 & 11 (the bonus story), however, he's apparently wearing a new gi (one which doesn't have the kanji).
Anyway, long story short, the SFII manga released in English in 1994 by Tokuma & Viz was originally released in Japan in 1992 & 1993 by Tokuma; and the depiction of Gouken therein is actually based on sketches provided to the artist by CAPCOM.
--Chris
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| iggy 1065th Post
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| "Re(6):Gouken and Goutetsu picture identificat" , posted Mon 9 Dec 03:16:
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The ansatsuken thing is way off, as always. One of the biggest erroneous fancanon tidbits floating around, these days...
I'm not sure of the meaning of "way off"...?
anyway, I did a really interesting discovery in AAC : it is said that Gen was the teacher of Chunli's father, and learned him the ansatsukyaku (a variation of kenpo?) technique he then learned to his daughter. And Gen is somehow connected to Chunli's father disappearance. And they say too that even if Chunli think he's dead, there's no proof he is. "Then in the ending of SF2, he's shown as dead".
This book is really great, but sometimes it doesn't makes sense at all... (I have seen not a single evidence of this story in SF Zero 2 and 3 between Gen and Chunli, or did I missed something?)
EDIT : OK, I checked, actually when Chunli meets Gen in Zero2, the dialogue confirms that story (the dialogue when Gen meets her says nothing.)
NARUTO : Sheng Long never appeared in any Capcom game except in the Street Fighter The Movie (or Real Battle on Film). "he has the same scenario as Gôken in regular Street Fighter game and never appears in the game".
無知にはムチを!
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| Dash no Chris
86th Post
Occasional Customer
| "Re(7):Gouken and Goutetsu picture identificat" , posted Mon 9 Dec 09:56
quote:
anyway, I did a really interesting discovery in AAC : it is said that Gen was the teacher of Chunli's father, and learned him the ansatsukyaku (a variation of kenpo?) technique he then learned to his daughter. And Gen is somehow connected to Chunli's father disappearance. And they say too that even if Chunli think he's dead, there's no proof he is. "Then in the ending of SF2, he's shown as dead".
This book is really great, but sometimes it doesn't makes sense at all...
Genden Ansatsukyaku [roughly translated as Gen's Legendary Assassination Leg] is a single kick technique, not a style. It's Chun-Li's crouching strong kick, in which she balances on one hand while kicking toward her opponent with both feet (knocks opponent down if it connects). The pose is similar to at least one or two of Gen's kick techniques, and the name of the technique implies its origins.
As far as Chun-Li's father's disappearance/death, a body may never have been found, he may eventually have been declared "missing, and presumed dead," and the grave we see in Chun-Li's SFII endings may be empty.
--Chris
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| TiamatRoar 319th Post
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| "Re(7):Gouken and Goutetsu picture identificat" , posted Mon 9 Dec 11:26:
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The ansatsuken thing is way off, as always. One of the biggest erroneous fancanon tidbits floating around, these days...
I'm not sure of the meaning of "way off"...?
anyway, I did a really interesting discovery in AAC : it is said that Gen was the teacher of Chunli's father, and learned him the ansatsukyaku (a variation of kenpo?) technique he then learned to his daughter. And Gen is somehow connected to Chunli's father disappearance. And they say too that even if Chunli think he's dead, there's no proof he is. "Then in the ending of SF2, he's shown as dead".
This book is really great, but sometimes it doesn't makes sense at all... (I have seen not a single evidence of this story in SF Zero 2 and 3 between Gen and Chunli, or did I missed something?)
EDIT : OK, I checked, actually when Chunli meets Gen in Zero2, the dialogue confirms that story (the dialogue when Gen meets her says nothing.)
http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/art1/posters/new6/chunny-father.jpg
That's an official artwork, I believe. I always thought it was Gen and Chun-Li, though gamegen states it was Chun-Li and her father. Course, we all know that Gamegen isn't the most reliable of sources when it comes to things like that, though it's possible that it's her father. I still think it's Gen, though.
Anyways, yea, Gen didn't pass down an entire style so much as just a technique (the crouching roundhouse kick Chun-Li has). Wow, though, I was told that Gen passed it down to Chun-Li and didn't hear about Gen passing it to her father then her father passing it down, but I sadly miss specifics like that every once in a while.
[this message was edited by TiamatRoar on Mon 9 Dec 11:28] |
| Dash no Chris
87th Post
Occasional Customer
| "Re(8):Gouken and Goutetsu picture identificat" , posted Mon 9 Dec 14:33
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http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/art1/posters/new6/chunny-father.jpg
That's an official artwork, I believe.
I agree. It appears to be Edayan's work.
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I always thought it was Gen and Chun-Li, though gamegen states it was Chun-Li and her father. Course, we all know that Gamegen isn't the most reliable of sources when it comes to things like that, though it's possible that it's her father. I still think it's Gen, though.
Again, I agree. I can't imagine it being anyone other than Gen. The beard, the clothing, the stance -- it's all a perfect match for Gen. And in all the different ways I've seen Chun-Li's father depicted, I don't think I've ever seen him look like this. I suspect gamegen had to guess who the man in the picture was -- everyone knows Chun-Li's out to avenger her father, but not everyone's familiar with Gen's involvement in her background, so gamegen probably just assumed it must be her dad.
--Chris
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