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| Luisinan
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|  "You like cheaters, bullies and thieves?"
, posted Sun 1 Dec 17:46
X-Box is evil, pure and simple. There is the illusion that without MS things would be harder and more expensive. Wrong! Without MS there would be more competition, innovation and price reduction.
Having said that...
The X-Box is the best console right now- in hardware specs. Gamecube and PS2 beat it in the number of great games category- where it counts.
The X-Box Live network is a stroke of genius. I hope Sony and Nintendo copy it- SOON!
Sony and Nintendo have done there fair share of "evil" things too, but in the computing world, no one is more "evil" then MS.
Windows is just bad- it was not built for the user in mind, it was built for the purpose of you having to upgrade every few years.
Go Apple. Go Linux.
My prediction for the future, one of two things will happen.
Nightmare Prediction
1. X-Box and X-Box Live will be a success and MS will become mostly a permanent console manufacturer like Nintendo. Windows and Office will become a lot less important. There server software business will eventually go down the drain.
Happy Dream Prediction
2. X-Box and X-Box Live will not be successful and MS will drop out of the console making business. There other software businesses will keep faltering and dying slowly until they become a tiny company. Windows and Offfice are already "good enough" why are people going to keep upgrading? MS Server software sucks, Linux is better.
Bye bye MS. You only got where you are right now because you happen to make the crappy Windows OS. You cheat, lie, steal and threaten. Yeah, its fair game in the world of business to do that- don't mean you have to do that though. It really only hurts the consumers in the end- even though "they" keep tellins that "they" are on "our" side. Yeah, right buddy.
Sorry for long rant!
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| Undead Fred
71th Post
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| "Re(4):Y is Everyone MicroSoft Hatin'?" , posted Sun 1 Dec 17:47
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I don't really care. There's too much stuff to worry about in day-to-day life than spending it whining about Bill Gates having ten-fifty times the amount of money you have. It almost seems fashionable by geeks and nerds to hate Microsoft, and quite often most of the time it's for reasons of pure jealousy.
That's not to say I don't make fun of the X-box; I still don't see one game for it I think is worth playing.
Yeah, seems like the "cool thing to do" for geeks to hate Microsoft and to hate Windows. I don't have anything against Microsoft (I'm not a FAN of them or something, I just don't hate them), but I do like Windows. It's a good operating system (I have heard bad things about WinME, though).
As for the XBox, I've got one along with a PS2. There are games worth getting an XBox over, not to mention games on both systems tend to look better on XBox (Silent Hill 2 on XBox comes to mind...). The only thing I have against it as a console is that they're poorly built. Powerful, but they fall apart at the drop of a hat. I'm on my 2nd XBox, and the disc drive is locking up. I take really good care of my electronics, but this thing is freaking out.
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| Gen 1000th Post
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| "Re(1):Y is Everyone MicroSoft Hatin'?" , posted Sun 1 Dec 18:18
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Talk to my sister 2day, and Chrismas came up. I told her I wanted DBZ for the PS2 and she said she wanted a game system. So I said i would get her a XBox. Boy oh boy did the $h!T hit the fan. She went on this spill about how MS is the "devil", that they are suing everyone, and how they are trying to take over. My response was, yeah thats true, but thats how business is. O-k, lets say MS is totally evil, think about this (post also) Where would we be without Microsoft?
Myself, apples are only good for eating...
BTW: i'm gettin' her a GAMECUBE w/METROID PRIME.
How can you say Microsoft is the devil and yet still ask why people hate them?
I hate Microsoft because of all the times they crashed my computer. All the school projects they destroyed. All the personal projects they destroyed. Their terrible operating system, and their unethical anti competitive practices. For me to support them would be complete idiocy. It would be like going to a restaurant with horrible service over and over again and giving the worst waiters giant tips. Actually that example is too light, Microsoft is far beyond worse than that.
Where would we be without them? Our entire society would be drastically better than it is today. Microsoft has suppressed so much innovation that they have held back man kind. I am not exaggerating. The Department of Justice are a bunch of scrupleless nitwits that don't understand computers.
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| CrazyMike 342th Post
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| "Re(6):Y is Everyone MicroSoft Hatin'?" , posted Sun 1 Dec 21:54
I still fail to see how Microsoft his "stifled innovation" and has "put back the computer world 10 years". Microsoft has never gone out with their goons and put a gun to computer programmers heads telling them not to make a better piece of software out there. No doubt they have tried to smash their competition, but that is BUSINESS, all businesses do that, no matter what. And Linux, Linux was NEVER designed to be used for the common man, people think Microsoft is holding Linux back, that is not true. It has only been in the past few years that talented programmers have used the Linux source to try and program a simple to use interface. Linux is free, your free to do with the source as you like, I'm sorry but if thats not innovation in the software world I don't know what it is. Another problem is the "computer geeks" (and I am one of them) who expect everybody to compile their own program if they want to use it or write thousands of lines of HTML for their personal website, well sorry this is not how the world of technology works or has ever worked, everything mechanical is designed by geniuses to be used by idiots, and just because you are skilled in C++ does not give you the right to bash a surgeon because he can't do more then point and click because frankly, I don't think you would want him telling you to do a surgery on yourself now would you?
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| Luisinan
121th Post
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| "Re(7):Y is Everyone MicroSoft Hatin'?" , posted Sun 1 Dec 21:56
The reason Apple switched to BSD/Unix was because BSD is such a powerful/reliable/stable operating system. Even Windows emulates some of that technology. But Apple outright grabbed it and put their propriety OS on top of it.
The Mac OS was always great, its biggest problem was stability though. BSD/Unix fixed that good. I think what people don't understand is that Mac OS works. It just works, right out of the box, it works. You don't have to fsck with it, you don't have to cry and suffer and plead to make the OS do what you want.
Who cares if your PC is "cheaper" and if you have more software and your OS is more "popular", all of that doesn't matter if you can't do the work you want to do. Its pointless if you cannot properly edit your movie, compose your music, or tweak your photographs. The Mac OS just works. That's the beauty. No false advertising, no headache, nothing. You want it, you do it.
MS software is just a halfassed attempt to emulate Mac OS technique. Plain and simple. Not only that, MS tries to tie you into its propriety non-standard file types and systems. They do this, so that you have to go to them to get anything done- thus stifling competition and innovation. Apple kicks ass because it does things damn well- not because it cripples or copies another companies software.
End rant...
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| Radish 591th Post
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| "Re(7):Y is Everyone MicroSoft Hatin'?" , posted Sun 1 Dec 22:08
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I still fail to see how Microsoft his "stifled innovation" and has "put back the computer world 10 years". Microsoft has never gone out with their goons and put a gun to computer programmers heads telling them not to make a better piece of software out there. No doubt they have tried to smash their competition, but that is BUSINESS, all businesses do that, no matter what. And Linux, Linux was NEVER designed to be used for the common man, people think Microsoft is holding Linux back, that is not true. It has only been in the past few years that talented programmers have used the Linux source to try and program a simple to use interface. Linux is free, your free to do with the source as you like, I'm sorry but if thats not innovation in the software world I don't know what it is. Another problem is the "computer geeks" (and I am one of them) who expect everybody to compile their own program if they want to use it or write thousands of lines of HTML for their personal website, well sorry this is not how the world of technology works or has ever worked, everything mechanical is designed by geniuses to be used by idiots, and just because you are skilled in C++ does not give you the right to bash a surgeon because he can't do more then point and click because frankly, I don't think you would want him telling you to do a surgery on yourself now would you?
The ten years of stagnation stuff depends on who you ask, but I have to admit that Microsoft’s effective monopoly of the OS market doesn't exactly foster innovation. A programmer could make a better OS but it would never catch on due to the fact that Windows is preloaded onto pretty much every computer sold and 99% (hyperbolic statistic!) of the market doesn't want to spend a day reloading a new operating system because it handles RAM more effectively. I can't see Microsoft loosing any of its market-share anytime soon (but those pretentious 'Switch' ads are SO effective!).
I really don't care much one way or the other since I don't get any money if Microsoft, Linux or Apple prospers. XP is definitely better than its predecessors (except for the Big Brother-esque hardware pin registration) but if more game designers start supporting Linux, I'll probably change over.
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| CrazyMike 343th Post
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| "Re(9):Y is Everyone MicroSoft Hatin'?" , posted Sun 1 Dec 22:34
No doubt Microsoft does not have the best OS on the market, but seriously, you can point fingers all day but the reason Windows succeeds is name recognition. How do you advertise Linux when there are dozens of variants and distros out there, many of which are free? And why would computer companies want to ship Linux with their computers when many of these companies who have their own Linux distro aren't going to have the revenue to make massive contracts with Dell, Gateway etc. and these computer companies are even more less likely to support a OS that only hardcore computer users even know about. Linux would succeed more if a huge company like Microsoft had their own unique distro that they aggressively try to market it instead of holding out a disc, "here, its 90 bucks, though you can download it for free if you like though." Though we are starting to see this idea of contracting out Linux to larger companies with the new computers from Wal-Mart with Lindows on them.
As for Apple, well had Microsoft not existed, Apple would of probably become what Microsoft is today, that is the software/hardware giant bringing a *easy to use interface* in reality ripped off from Xerox and Steve Jobs would probably be as wealthy as Bill Gates instead had he not been forced out. Likewise Apple would most likely be as money grubbing as Microsoft and would face lawsuits the same way MS does and try and come out with their own game system ^_^ Apple YBox hehe
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| Gen 1004th Post
Red Carpet Premium Member
| "Re(3):Y is Everyone MicroSoft Hatin'?" , posted Mon 2 Dec 00:26
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How can you say Microsoft is the devil and yet still ask why people hate them?
I hate Microsoft because of all the times they crashed my computer. All the school projects they destroyed. All the personal projects they destroyed. Their terrible operating system, and their unethical anti competitive practices. For me to support them would be complete idiocy. It would be like going to a restaurant with horrible service over and over again and giving the worst waiters giant tips. Actually that example is too light, Microsoft is far beyond worse than that.
Where would we be without them? Our entire society would be drastically better than it is today. Microsoft has suppressed so much innovation that they have held back man kind. I am not exaggerating. The Department of Justice are a bunch of scrupleless nitwits that don't understand computers.
Well, I'm not going to say they're always ethical... I didn't think about that. I've just got other companies that I have more of a reason to hate (such as Disney, and I don't care too much for Nintendo...).
Gen, which Windows are you using? That might have something to do with the crashes... otherwise, it could be other things causing the problems. I've been using Windows for years, and it's always worked well for me. I don't know.
Most of the crashing was with older Windows. The most recent Windows that I used the most is 98 2E. It had more problems when it was first installed than later. It had to be reinstalled several times and not just when it was first put on, but often times several months apart. Most recently the problems were at a minimum after a good amount of tinkering, but it still would bug up too often.
So it was mostly older Windows that would have the highest frequency of problems, but even if Microsoft fixes them in the next version it doesn't make me want to buy it. It's like if I bought any product which didn't work, say a large shipment from buyright, and the products caused huge Microsoft levels of dissatisfaction, I wouldn't go back and spend more money on that company.
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| Gen 1005th Post
Red Carpet Premium Member
| "Re(10):Y is Everyone MicroSoft Hatin'?" , posted Mon 2 Dec 00:33
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No doubt Microsoft does not have the best OS on the market, but seriously, you can point fingers all day but the reason Windows succeeds is name recognition. How do you advertise Linux when there are dozens of variants and distros out there, many of which are free? And why would computer companies want to ship Linux with their computers when many of these companies who have their own Linux distro aren't going to have the revenue to make massive contracts with Dell, Gateway etc. and these computer companies are even more less likely to support a OS that only hardcore computer users even know about. Linux would succeed more if a huge company like Microsoft had their own unique distro that they aggressively try to market it instead of holding out a disc, "here, its 90 bucks, though you can download it for free if you like though." Though we are starting to see this idea of contracting out Linux to larger companies with the new computers from Wal-Mart with Lindows on them.
As for Apple, well had Microsoft not existed, Apple would of probably become what Microsoft is today, that is the software/hardware giant bringing a *easy to use interface* in reality ripped off from Xerox and Steve Jobs would probably be as wealthy as Bill Gates instead had he not been forced out. Likewise Apple would most likely be as money grubbing as Microsoft and would face lawsuits the same way MS does and try and come out with their own game system ^_^ Apple YBox hehe
An Apple dedicated game system
that could be cool
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| kikkoken
171th Post
Regular Customer
| "Re(1):You like cheaters, bullies and thieves?" , posted Mon 2 Dec 03:33
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X-Box is evil, pure and simple. There is the illusion that without MS things would be harder and more expensive. Wrong! Without MS there would be more competition, innovation and price reduction.
Having said that...
The X-Box is the best console right now- in hardware specs. Gamecube and PS2 beat it in the number of great games category- where it counts.
The X-Box Live network is a stroke of genius. I hope Sony and Nintendo copy it- SOON!
Sony and Nintendo have done there fair share of "evil" things too, but in the computing world, no one is more "evil" then MS.
Windows is just bad- it was not built for the user in mind, it was built for the purpose of you having to upgrade every few years.
Go Apple. Go Linux.
My prediction for the future, one of two things will happen.
Nightmare Prediction
1. X-Box and X-Box Live will be a success and MS will become mostly a permanent console manufacturer like Nintendo. Windows and Office will become a lot less important. There server software business will eventually go down the drain.
Happy Dream Prediction
2. X-Box and X-Box Live will not be successful and MS will drop out of the console making business. There other software businesses will keep faltering and dying slowly until they become a tiny company. Windows and Offfice are already "good enough" why are people going to keep upgrading? MS Server software sucks, Linux is better.
Bye bye MS. You only got where you are right now because you happen to make the crappy Windows OS. You cheat, lie, steal and threaten. Yeah, its fair game in the world of business to do that- don't mean you have to do that though. It really only hurts the consumers in the end- even though "they" keep tellins that "they" are on "our" side. Yeah, right buddy.
Sorry for long rant!
I have to agree with everything you said.
Christmas wa watashi no suki na yôbi desu.
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| kikkoken
172th Post
Regular Customer
| "Re(2):You like cheaters, bullies and thieves?" , posted Mon 2 Dec 03:34
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X-Box is evil, pure and simple. There is the illusion that without MS things would be harder and more expensive. Wrong! Without MS there would be more competition, innovation and price reduction.
Having said that...
The X-Box is the best console right now- in hardware specs. Gamecube and PS2 beat it in the number of great games category- where it counts.
The X-Box Live network is a stroke of genius. I hope Sony and Nintendo copy it- SOON!
Sony and Nintendo have done there fair share of "evil" things too, but in the computing world, no one is more "evil" then MS.
Windows is just bad- it was not built for the user in mind, it was built for the purpose of you having to upgrade every few years.
Go Apple. Go Linux.
My prediction for the future, one of two things will happen.
Nightmare Prediction
1. X-Box and X-Box Live will be a success and MS will become mostly a permanent console manufacturer like Nintendo. Windows and Office will become a lot less important. There server software business will eventually go down the drain.
Happy Dream Prediction
2. X-Box and X-Box Live will not be successful and MS will drop out of the console making business. There other software businesses will keep faltering and dying slowly until they become a tiny company. Windows and Offfice are already "good enough" why are people going to keep upgrading? MS Server software sucks, Linux is better.
Bye bye MS. You only got where you are right now because you happen to make the crappy Windows OS. You cheat, lie, steal and threaten. Yeah, its fair game in the world of business to do that- don't mean you have to do that though. It really only hurts the consumers in the end- even though "they" keep tellins that "they" are on "our" side. Yeah, right buddy.
Sorry for long rant!
I have to agree with everything you said.
Christmas wa watashi no suki na yôbi desu.
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| Undead Fred
82th Post
Occasional Customer
| "Re(3):You like cheaters, bullies and thieves?" , posted Mon 2 Dec 08:17
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Windows is just bad- it was not built for the user in mind, it was built for the purpose of you having to upgrade every few years.
Go Apple. Go Linux.
Sorry, but no. I hope I don't start a war with this response, but I disagree. Windows IS built for the user in mind, otherwise, why in the hell would it have been a visual interface? You DON'T have to upgrade every few years, either. I'm still doing just great in Windows 98, even though 2000 and XP have come out since. You can still use Windows easily and expect new programs to work fine in it. Not every tiny little thing Microsoft does is meant to steal your soul. They are a business, and like all businesses, they want you to buy their product. They are a bit brutal in the way they do businesses, but... whatever.
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| Time Mage 1058th Post
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| "Re(1):Y is Everyone MicroSoft Hatin'?" , posted Mon 2 Dec 10:19
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BTW: i'm gettin' her a GAMECUBE w/METROID PRIME.
That's a good change, in my opinion...
I think that Windows is now a neccesity, but that doesn't mean that it's good. If MS has got the monopoly of the market, everybody is going to program for their OS, so if yo want to play/write/use internet/etc... most of the time you'll have to resort to Windows.
However, it's no the only option, because now, Linux (which WAS planned to be used by the common user, unlike UNIX) offers many options for browsing internet, writing (and saving in word format), hearing music, etc... It's less versatile, and has a LONG way ahead, but maybe one time we'll be able to choose.
BTW, I'm posting from Linux Mandrake 9.0 :)
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| crom
56th Post
Occasional Customer
| "Dunno-" , posted Mon 2 Dec 10:52
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Talk to my sister 2day, and Chrismas came up. I told her I wanted DBZ for the PS2 and she said she wanted a game system. So I said i would get her a XBox. Boy oh boy did the $h!T hit the fan. She went on this spill about how MS is the "devil", that they are suing everyone, and how they are trying to take over. My response was, yeah thats true, but thats how business is. O-k, lets say MS is totally evil, think about this (post also) Where would we be without Microsoft?
Myself, apples are only good for eating...
BTW: i'm gettin' her a GAMECUBE w/METROID PRIME.
you know, Microsoft has some very agressive buisness methods, far beyond simply buying someone out- they are not in the console buisness because they like you as a gamer, that's for sure- I don't think that there is acually one person at microsoft developing games for reasons like Myamoto does- that's my sole problem with the x-box.
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| Luisinan
122th Post
Regular Customer
| "Re(3):Dunno-" , posted Mon 2 Dec 14:06
A few more things...
Of course Apple is out to make money like everyone else and Apple has made mistakes, but the thing you have to understand, that for the most part, Apple products are high quality products. The software and the hardware. They are the Miyamoto (sp?) and Yuzuki (sp?) of the industry. Apple exists to make money, but they also push the envelope in terms of computer design, user interface and software elegancy. Not to mention that there technology and hardware just works. Get it, just works.
I'm tired of flaming MS, and its pointless to do so. And its fine if people like the Windows platform. What bugs me is that people use Apple technology and still insist on using the Windows platform. Its like, "yo, did you not just see how easy and simple it was to do it on a Mac, yet you still insist on buying a Windows machine- get with the program foolio!" I've helped two different people with their video projects on a Mac, and both still insist on getting hardware with Windows on it.
Last thing, people say, "but I'm happy with Windows 98 or Windows XP." My only reponse would be, "yeah, but you would A LOT MORE happier with OS X."
But enough...
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| Undead Fred
84th Post
Occasional Customer
| "Re(3):Y is Everyone MicroSoft Hatin'?" , posted Mon 2 Dec 15:48
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The problem is that a lot of people sees videogames like a sport match (something like: "my team is better than yours"). Even if I don't like how big companies act at all(like Microsoft), I think they can provide more money to make great games. The only thing I search is a good game, the hardware name is not important. If You can't afford every single system, I think You know which is the most complete; but if You can, don't miss the opportunity to play great games (like halo or pikmin) just to see Mr. Gates cry!
Personally I don't want to spend the money on multiple systems, so I want the one I DO own to do well. The better Sony does, the more developers they attract and thus the better games come out for the system I own. Owning all three systems is a luxury, so I can't really blame anyone for getting defensive over the console they own.
I know that feeling. I had a PS2 when it came out, and was satisfied with it, and I knew some cool games were coming. Then, the XBox came out and got some exclusives that I REALLY wanted to play. I was PISSED. I mean, I had just spent $300 on a perfectly good system, after all. I eventually broke down after I heard that there was more than one game that I wanted that was coming to XBox and started saving. I got an XBox eventually, and aside from being poorly built (too many disk drive problems and etc.), I'm very happy with the system. If you can afford more than one system, then go for it. But, I understand people getting defensive about their system when they'd rather not spend $300 apiece for several systems at once.
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crime in Gotham City doesn't exactly seem to be affected by a man dressed as a bat flapping around the place. But no-one disobeys a man wearing a necklace of human nipples.
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