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"The HECK?!" , posted Mon 25 Nov 20:36post reply


http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20021126-00000336-reu-bus_all


I don't know what to say.. really.. I'm speechless..

Course the date of April 1 makes me think April Fools, but I don't think they have that in Japan...





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"Re(1):The HECK?!" , posted Mon 25 Nov 20:46post reply


This is the Square-Enix merger story, right?





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"Re(2):The HECK?!" , posted Mon 25 Nov 20:56post reply


quote:
This is the Square-Enix merger story, right?




Yes, if this has already been discussed, I apologize, I just recently got my computer repaired and I have been catching up on news. ^_^;;





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"Re(3):The HECK?!" , posted Mon 25 Nov 21:00post reply


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Yes, if this has already been discussed, I apologize, I just recently got my computer repaired and I have been catching up on news. ^_^;;



I just heard about it on another forum, so it's fairly recent.





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"Re(1):Enix and Square merger" , posted Mon 25 Nov 21:50post reply


quote:
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20021126-00000336-reu-bus_all


I don't know what to say.. really.. I'm speechless..

Course the date of April 1 makes me think April Fools, but I don't think they have that in Japan...



Check it out, i think it's official
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"Re(2):Enix and Square merger" , posted Mon 25 Nov 22:46post reply


Yes, it's official.

Enix will absorb Square, and the name of
the company will change to Square Enix.
Stock ratio will be Square 1 to Enix 0.81
(if you have 1000 Square stock, it will change to 810 Enix stock)

Square will cease to exist on the start of the fiscal year.

It was only a matter of time before Square was going to have to settle with their finance, but I wasn't expecting it to take place in this way....

Enix is much more profitable and has control of their finance, so it's probably a good idea they will be absorbing Square.

Besides, we could now hope to see great game like Chrono Trigger to come back (that was the first collaboration of Enix/Square).

Enix is purely a publishing company, and doesn't have a developing team, they have developing companies (such as Chun Soft) to make games for them to publish.
It's unclear right now whether Square will be their in-house development team, or become like Chun Soft and just be a development company under Enix.

Either way, one thing is clear... Sakaguchi won't be able to burn obscene amount of money for unprofitable projects like he used to.





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"Re(3):Enix and Square merger" , posted Mon 25 Nov 22:57post reply


quote:
Yes, it's official.

Enix will absorb Square, and the name of
the company will change to Square Enix.
Stock ratio will be Square 1 to Enix 0.81
(if you have 1000 Square stock, it will change to 810 Enix stock)

Square will cease to exist on the start of the fiscal year.

It was only a matter of time before Square was going to have to settle with their finance, but I wasn't expecting it to take place in this way....

Enix is much more profitable and has control of their finance, so it's probably a good idea they will be absorbing Square.

Besides, we could now hope to see great game like Chrono Trigger to come back (that was the first collaboration of Enix/Square).

Enix is purely a publishing company, and doesn't have a developing team, they have developing companies (such as Chun Soft) to make games for them to publish.
It's unclear right now whether Square will be their in-house development team, or become like Chun Soft and just be a development company under Enix.

Either way, one thing is clear... Sakaguchi won't be able to burn obscene amount of money for unprofitable projects like he used to.



Some friends and I have been churning over this for a few hours now and we're all convinced that this is some Bizarro world scenario.

No, seriously. While anyone could see that Square was in dire financial straits (FF XI all but flopped, tons of wretched sports games, still recovering from the movie), I wouldn't have seen this coming from a mile off. While the possibilities of further Square/Enix crossover games (Bust a Move with Final Fantasy characters? Dragon Warrior with gorgeous graphics?) is intriguing, the simple fact that Square simply doesn't exist any more is just unnerving.

I suppose we'll just have to wait and see what happens at the press conference for further details, but this whole thing makes me VERY uneasy.





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"Re(3):Enix and Square merger" , posted Mon 25 Nov 23:02post reply


now that's a MEGATON news
dam sweet.
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"Re(4):Enix and Square merger" , posted Mon 25 Nov 23:12post reply


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I suppose we'll just have to wait and see what happens at the press conference for further details, but this whole thing makes me VERY uneasy.



You said it, man. I had no idea Square was in THAT much financial trouble, or that Enix had the $ to basically buy them. Weird. Does anybody know exactly how unprofitable Square has become? Seems like that would help solve some of the mystery on this one...





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"Re(1):The HECK?!" , posted Mon 25 Nov 23:16post reply


Hmm.. I'm stunned, confused, surprised, and maybe even a little hurt, all at the same time. Only a little, though; I can see some good things coming out of this.





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"Re(5):Enix and Square merger" , posted Mon 25 Nov 23:18post reply


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You said it, man. I had no idea Square was in THAT much financial trouble, or that Enix had the $ to basically buy them. Weird. Does anybody know exactly how unprofitable Square has become?



Final Fantasy movie flopped. FFXI may as well have flopped. FFX-2 was a cheap way to get extra cash to ride off FFX.

I think the movie did them in. FFXI can't possibly be a determinant factor in the whole thing.





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"Re(2):The HECK?!" , posted Mon 25 Nov 23:19post reply


I'm surprised too, but I wonder what is going to happen to Sony's small porcentage ownership and the Nintendo deal.





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"Re(1):The HECK?!" , posted Mon 25 Nov 23:36post reply


That's.... that's...... whao.
That means the same company will have in their hands FF, SaGa, Seiken, DQ, Star Ocean, Valkyrie Profile and all the rest...
Even if they don't merge projects and do some big strange cross overs with chocobos in DQ and Toriyama slimes in FF, I foresee 2 things interesting : first there won't be any risqs that the company release 2 "must buy" game at the same time (I mean, no Seiken released the same mounth of Valkyrie 2, for example) and that's good for my money. Then, maybe it will make Enix forget their use of releasing games years after their first release date. So maybe we have a chance to see DQ8 before the PS3 comes out....






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"Re(2):The HECK?!" , posted Mon 25 Nov 23:58post reply


holy crap that's big news. bigger than rare-microsoft in my opinion... because well... I CARE about their games this time around.





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"Re(3):The HECK?!" , posted Tue 26 Nov 00:26post reply


quote:
holy crap that's big news. bigger than rare-microsoft in my opinion... because well... I CARE about their games this time around.



Hehe, I better add more to the thread I started.. :P

I dunno, just this whole situation is topsy turvy really... but I see good things coming from it more than bad.. I mean yes, the Enix/Square purists will be all in an uproar, but in the long run, if it means the survival of a lot of popular series on both ends, then more power to the combination.. I like Enix a tad more ^^; (hence the slim) but still, I hope that this will bring many more good games in the future..





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"Re(5):Enix and Square merger" , posted Tue 26 Nov 00:30post reply


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I suppose we'll just have to wait and see what happens at the press conference for further details, but this whole thing makes me VERY uneasy.


You said it, man. I had no idea Square was in THAT much financial trouble, or that Enix had the $ to basically buy them. Weird. Does anybody know exactly how unprofitable Square has become? Seems like that would help solve some of the mystery on this one...



What a lot of people don't realize, is that Square doesn't make enough money off FF.
FF sells a lot, and so did KH. But mere 2 titles selling a lot isn't gonna support Square's large number of staff (900+) till the next big release, especially when the company is already in debt.

Enix is purely a publishing company. They publish games, books, magazines, comics, goods, toy merchandise, etc. They don't have a in-house development team. They have development companies under them to make games for them to publish. Dragon Quest series, Toruneko series, Shiren series, Star Ocean series, etc.

You may not hear about Enix that much in US, but they are highly profitable, not only from their sucessful games but from other publishing.

The good thing is, because Enix is a publishing company, they probably will just have Square develop their own thing and publish. Many Square employees (especially those not in the development team) might lose their jobs for cut-down though.

We'll see how it turns out. Hoping for the better, of course. If this means more games like Chrono Trigger, then I'm all for it.





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"Re(6):Enix and Square merger" , posted Tue 26 Nov 01:21post reply


in a more specific numbers, I found these numbers for the settlement term for the last fiscal period.

Square: income $305mil debt $138mil
Enix: income $207mil profit $35mil

I don't know how accurate thsee numbers are, (used $1=120yen) but it gives you an idea of the picture.

Square makes more money, but not profit. (The spending is too high)





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"Re(7):Enix and Square merger" , posted Tue 26 Nov 02:13post reply


Just imagine Final Fantasy XII with Dragon Quest VII-like graphics!





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"Re(2):The HECK?!" , posted Tue 26 Nov 02:43post reply


quote:
I can see some good things coming out of this.



Besides being confused GREATELY, I can only agree with the above statement... Sony will loose a great part of control of the new company, thus making them more free to develop in other platforms... And yes, I'm thinking on GameCube.





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"Re(8):Enix and Square merger" , posted Tue 26 Nov 03:18post reply


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Just imagine Final Fantasy XII with Dragon Quest VII-like graphics!



HAHA! gotta think positive... think of it the other way around man...





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"WHOA!!" , posted Tue 26 Nov 03:39post reply



I don't know what to say, just let's hope this'll mean CT-like new games and sagas and that they'll keep every existing saga's distinctive characteristics.
Anyway, for games policy check on November 29, SquareEnix (or viceversa) will make an announcement about it.

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"Re(1):WHOA!!" , posted Tue 26 Nov 04:39post reply


If the merge really happens, it means Square Enix will have enough credits to finance less mainstream RPG projects, and be more audacious. That's for the positive aspect. But it can also be quite the contrary, and lead to more uniformity in the RPG world.





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"Re(7):Enix and Square merger" , posted Tue 26 Nov 05:21post reply


quote:

Square: income $305mil debt $138mil
Enix: income $207mil profit $35mil

I don't know how accurate thsee numbers are, (used $1=120yen) but it gives you an idea of the picture.

Square makes more money, but not profit. (The spending is too high)



Oh wow, I had no idea it was that bad for Square. Sounds like they've been taking some lessons from SEGA. Seriously though, it's pretty bad when a company makes so much money and is so poorly organized and inefficient that over $300 million in profit is essentially thrown away. Hopefully this new merger will screw Square's head on right.





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"my fear" , posted Tue 26 Nov 05:49post reply


what I fear?
Microsoft is going to try to buy some of this company, I can see this coming.
I hope not.





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"Re(1):my fear" , posted Tue 26 Nov 06:42post reply


Although I'm not sure what this merger is going to mean for us, the consumers, I have to defend FFXI a little. It didn't flop. Sure it didn't do quite as well as Square wanted, but they were not expecting huge amounts of purchases, just about 200 grand and then have those players continue to play for a few years. I think what's hurting them with FFXI is that Sony is waffling so much on the HDD that they don't know if they will me able to tap the lucrative US MMORPG market. Plus I don't think they really plannned out well how they would handle the NA server strain.





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"Re(2):my fear" , posted Tue 26 Nov 07:04post reply


I hope Square doesn't kill Enix with their highly unprofitable business :(

Say yes to Enix! No to Squaresoft!

Though, thoughts of more quality games like Chrono Trigger does sound satiating...





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"Re(2):my fear" , posted Tue 26 Nov 07:36post reply


Actually, Square is on the rebound. A few sites reported on Friday that Square profited 400 million yen. Of course, this is the fiscal half after they took the big losses from the movie...

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I think it's a little early to tell what plans are in store, but I kinda figured that Nintendo's MEGATON announcement was DQ8. I wonder if that's not it now. I'm no financial analyst, but if Enix's stock merges with Square, wouldn't that mean that there are more votes overall and hence, Sony has less of a percentage stake in the company?

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"Re(3):my fear" , posted Tue 26 Nov 07:39post reply


A couple of points...

1 - Any reports on how this will affect NA shipping of games? Will Square still use it's releasing arm, or will go under the Enix label. Or will Enix use Squares name (Which does carry more weight in the US, alot more).

2 - Will we see some intresting side projects pop up through Square now? Something like Dragon Quest Tatics...(^^)

3 - Is there any doubt that this new company is the biggest Software maker in Japan right now? I mean, they could almost make or break a system if they publish for it...





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"Re(4):my fear" , posted Tue 26 Nov 07:50post reply


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3 - Is there any doubt that this new company is the biggest Software maker in Japan right now? I mean, they could almost make or break a system if they publish for it...



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"Re(3):my fear" , posted Tue 26 Nov 09:44post reply


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I'm no financial analyst, but if Enix's stock merges with Square, wouldn't that mean that there are more votes overall and hence, Sony has less of a percentage stake in the company?

Oh, heh heh, don't mind me. I'm new :)



Yes, now SCE only owns 8.4% share of Square.
Enix actually bought Square out, which means that Enix shareholders own 55% stake in the new company.





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"Re(2):WHOA!!" , posted Tue 26 Nov 10:07post reply


I did not see this one coming.

quote:
If the merge really happens, it means Square Enix will have enough credits to finance less mainstream RPG projects, and be more audacious. That's for the positive aspect. But it can also be quite the contrary, and lead to more uniformity in the RPG world.


I have the feeling it's going to be more from the latter category but I hope I'm just being pessimistic.





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"hmm" , posted Tue 26 Nov 10:39post reply


First, I had to say to Ishmael that you have one perverted looking Bond there. That's from a pinball game right?

About the merger, that's pretty amazing stuff. I'm less surprised than I thought I'd be, it makes sense in a lot of ways.

What does this mean for gamers? Nobody knows yet! I'll be very interested in hearing their first title announcements and staff combinations.





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"I thought EA and Square already did this..." , posted Tue 26 Nov 10:41post reply


What happened to Square EA?

Is it now Square Enix EA?

I'm confused...





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"Re(1):I thought EA and Square already did thi" , posted Tue 26 Nov 11:06post reply


quote:
What happened to Square EA?

Is it now Square Enix EA?

I'm confused...



The EA/Square thing was just so each company could publish each other's games overseas. (EA's games in Japan and Square's games in the US) Neither company owned had any stake in the other... they were just helping each other out. I would imagine that Square will most likely back out of that deal now.





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"Re(1):The HECK?!" , posted Tue 26 Nov 13:36post reply


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http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20021126-00000336-reu-bus_all


I don't know what to say.. really.. I'm speechless..

Course the date of April 1 makes me think April Fools, but I don't think they have that in Japan...



Here's another article http://uk.playstation.com/news/newsStory.jhtml;jsessionid=5SLX35ENA1P4GCQANICCMFQKABVAGGUG?storyId=102954_en_GB_NEWS&linktype=MPC

The only interesting thing would be a cross company game, although that seems unlikely if Enix is just a publisher as mentioned before. Otherwise consider it a new company that will have slightly improved abilities.

Square games are more popular in U.S., so I speculate probably former Enix titles will get some better marketing here as a result.

As for Sony's share of square, how ever much stock they have would be converted into stock in the new company.





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"Square Enix" , posted Tue 26 Nov 14:21post reply


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3 - Is there any doubt that this new company is the biggest Software maker in Japan right now? I mean, they could almost make or break a system if they publish for it...



Even with Enix and Square together, it still doesn't hold a candle to Nintendo's size. No other game software company releases that many million seller hits as Nintendo..

But if you're talking "third licence", they very well could become the largest third licencing company in Japan. They'll have to surpass Sega to become that position though.

PS: BTW Mosquiton, that's not James Bond on Ishmael's tag. I think it's "Our man Flint". It was an old spy parody movie, predesessor to Austin Powers.





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"Re(4):my fear" , posted Tue 26 Nov 14:42post reply


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1 - Any reports on how this will affect NA shipping of games? Will Square still use it's releasing arm, or will go under the Enix label. Or will Enix use Squares name (Which does carry more weight in the US, alot more).


I think they'll publish all the games under the company's new name: SquareEnix. According to where I read it this is theorically almost a "parallel" fusion and they'll develop and publish games as only one company. Who buys who is only important on the fiscal side of the news. I repeat: theorically.





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"Re(8):Enix and Square merger" , posted Tue 26 Nov 19:17post reply


quote:
Just imagine Final Fantasy XII with Dragon Quest VII-like graphics!



Good god...that would suck horrendously. I sincerely hope that this merger doesn't cause that to happen.

Anyways, this is some pretty huge news, since they're both the biggest names in RPGs worldwide (Enix especially in Japan).