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"Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 10:17post reply


OK, this poll is to know what kind of Boss organisation you like i fighting game.
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"Re(1):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 10:18post reply


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OK, this poll is to know what kind of Boss organisation you like i fighting game.
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Does anyone actually enjoy fighting cheasy last bosses?





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"Re(2):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 10:23post reply


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Does anyone actually enjoy fighting cheasy last bosses?



ME! As long as I can continue against them!





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"Re(1):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 10:29post reply


I like a mid boss and a strong final boss. Mid-boss helps add to the story, and gives some challenge. A strong final boss is nice, though not super cheap (You need to be able to have some hope...).





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"Re(1):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 10:31post reply


yeah midbosses add more to a game i think, it's kinda boring if it's just one major boss.





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"Re(2):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 10:36post reply


IMO The more MID-bosses/boss there is the btter it is for me.
I prefer many normal bosses that just one that cruch you like a can....





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"Re(3):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 10:50post reply


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IMO The more MID-bosses/boss there is the btter it is for me.
I prefer many normal bosses that just one that cruch you like a can....



Yeah, I agree. I hate last bosses with ridiculous advantages like Gil or Ignitz where you have to cheap out the boss instead of actually fighting him.





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"Re(3):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 10:56post reply


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Does anyone actually enjoy fighting cheasy last bosses?


ME! As long as I can continue against them!



Same here. People whine too much about bosses that are hard. I can't think of a single boss you HAVE to " cheese " to win; some are REALLY hard if you don't, but you can still beat them fair and square. For example, the maligned " Igniz " . I'll be honest; I really don't think he's hard at all if you're using the " one character with three strikers " . Now, three team members and one striker, that's a bit different. >_< I like it when there are some mid-bosses, too. The more, the better, I say.





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"Re(2):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 10:58post reply


I voted for the thrid option because of one particular midboss (Kula ^^)
I also like it when there's a "secret" last boss to fight (God Rugal/Akuma:CvS2, Alfred, Geese in Aof)

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"Re(1):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 12:24post reply


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I voted for the second option. It's way better to have several bosses that are a litte bit more challenging than the regular cast, but not overpowered like Gill or Omega Rugal.

btw did someone of you manage to beat the last boss in RotD, Johann? This guy has to be a bug...he is just to strong....:(





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"Re(2):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 12:31post reply


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I chose one midboss then one strong final boss for mostly the same reasons as everyone else. I don't like too many bosses in a game, either. Especially when you can't play as any of them, as was the case in the original Street Fighter II.





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"Re(2):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 15:10post reply


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Does anyone actually enjoy fighting cheasy last bosses?

i agree. give me a fierce, strong boss. i really don't see peoples' fascination with gods

how do i define a cheap boss?
if i've gotta adjust my fighting style completely to defeat him (for example, if my attacks mainly consist of tripping and throwing, or any other repetitive attacks), and i have to exploit any bugs or errors in the boss's attack pattern, then something's up. i either suck at the game or i'm fighting an extremely overpowered character






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"Re(3):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 15:30post reply


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how do i define a cheap boss?
if i've gotta adjust my fighting style completely to defeat him (for example, if my attacks mainly consist of tripping and throwing, or any other repetitive attacks), and i have to exploit any bugs or errors in the boss's attack pattern, then something's up. i either suck at the game or i'm fighting an extremely overpowered character


That's more or less my definition of a cheap boss, but I'd add the part about how they use unblockable overpowered moves all the time... KOF's the worst about this. Testament and Dizzy (I think that's her name, but it's been a while) are insane, too. Basically, I think Testament's cheap because he's got those pink things that bite you in the ass while he shoots projectiles in your face... The two ultra Bisons in SF Alpha 3 on Dreamcast were some of the top cheapest I've ever fought, too. They've got unlimited supers that fill the entire screen and can only be blocked while your feet are on the ground. One comes up and stomps your foot at the same moment the other's winding up for unblockable hell. I can ramble on for days about this subject, but I'll cut it off here.





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"Re(1):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 15:55post reply


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Sub-bosses are nice . They show to the players if they are already good enough to face the final challenge . Plus,sometimes the sub-bosses are even cooler than the real bosses !





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"Re(3):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 16:01post reply


quote:
Does anyone actually enjoy fighting cheasy last bosses?
i agree. give me a fierce, strong boss. i really don't see peoples' fascination with gods

how do i define a cheap boss?
if i've gotta adjust my fighting style completely to defeat him (for example, if my attacks mainly consist of tripping and throwing, or any other repetitive attacks), and i have to exploit any bugs or errors in the boss's attack pattern, then something's up. i either suck at the game or i'm fighting an extremely overpowered character



Gil pisses me off since once his power meter fills, you either have to just turtle and wait for him to do a super, or kill him and then let him cast resurection and fight him again on one life bar.

I don't mind hard last bosses. SFA3 PSX Bison is hard, but certainly not too cheap except for his Psyco Crusher where you have to be blocking on the ground or you get hit for 70% damage (although he IS a last boss so it doesn't bother me that much.)





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"Re(4):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 16:02post reply


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That's more or less my definition of a cheap boss, but I'd add the part about how they use unblockable overpowered moves all the time... KOF's the worst about this. Testament and Dizzy (I think that's her name, but it's been a while) are insane, too. Basically, I think Testament's cheap because he's got those pink things that bite you in the ass while he shoots projectiles in your face... The two ultra Bisons in SF Alpha 3 on Dreamcast were some of the top cheapest I've ever fought, too. They've got unlimited supers that fill the entire screen and can only be blocked while your feet are on the ground. One comes up and stomps your foot at the same moment the other's winding up for unblockable hell. I can ramble on for days about this subject, but I'll cut it off here.

hehehe
man, speak of the devil, i fought those two [Testament and Dizzy] a few minutes ago. i think to those who are new to the game, they'd be incredibly hard to defeat. when the computer uses them, their damage is INSANE. Dizzy's "ice thing" (uh, HS) does so much freakin' damage! and god the supers ... THE SUPERS!! T_T but when a human uses them, they just do "normal" damage. they're not too bad

anyways, it took us over 3 hours to defeat Testament the first time i got the game x_x if you give the guy space, he'll definitely destroy you. but he's a slow guy with pretty slow normals. if you get on top of him and don't get off, he'll fall eventually. i especially learned that yesterday -_- i thought i was good with Testament but my friends would not get off of me and i had to do stupid crap to win (like i mentioned above, i spent most of my time timing my throws, then kicking them when they were down, or doing my "poison super" before they hit the ground)

as for Dizzy, my god, dude, her meter fills up so quickly. but i've found a couple of ways past her supers (even that crazy 30+ hit "unblockable" super). she is, unfortunately (if you're fighting her, that is), a lot faster than Testament

man, Bison (Psycho Crusher Vega) wouldn't be so bad in SFA3 if it weren't for that damn super. you can't jump at all when he's got a meter x_x






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"Re(4):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 16:07post reply


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I don't mind hard last bosses. SFA3 PSX Bison is hard, but certainly not too cheap except for his Psyco Crusher where you have to be blocking on the ground or you get hit for 70% damage (although he IS a last boss so it doesn't bother me that much.)



SFA3 Bision is actually easy to beat, especially for a cheap boss. Just play safe while he has a full super, and block the Psycho Crusher (You can tell when it comes). When he comes out of it, punish him greatly. After that he's yours...





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"Re(5):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 16:11post reply


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I don't mind hard last bosses. SFA3 PSX Bison is hard, but certainly not too cheap except for his Psyco Crusher where you have to be blocking on the ground or you get hit for 70% damage (although he IS a last boss so it doesn't bother me that much.)


SFA3 Bision is actually easy to beat, especially for a cheap boss. Just play safe while he has a full super, and block the Psycho Crusher (You can tell when it comes). When he comes out of it, punish him greatly. After that he's yours...



Yeah, he's not so bad. I had problems back when I didn't realize a bunch of his moves were overheads (duh) and reflexively crouch blocked a lot of his stuff leaving be weak and susceptible to Psycho Crusher chip damage.





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"Re(4):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 16:14:post reply


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Gil pisses me off since once his power meter fills, you either have to just turtle and wait for him to do a super, or kill him and then let him cast resurection and fight him again on one life bar.

I don't mind hard last bosses. SFA3 PSX Bison is hard, but certainly not too cheap except for his Psyco Crusher where you have to be blocking on the ground or you get hit for 70% damage (although he IS a last boss so it doesn't bother me that much.)


The Bison I was talking about was the dual super Bison fight if you get to the "secret" fight in World Tour mode in the Dreamcast version. They're at the last of three consecutive fights: first one with Shin Akuma and Evil Ryu, then a survival match against several of those two, THEN the two Bisons. When it's a single boss Bison in the normal game, it's not that bad. But the TWO of them at the end of World Tour (with unlimited super meters, of course) takes FOREVER to beat. I've had them literally fire off super after super (the big Psycho Crusher) over and over until they've managed to kill me. THAT IS CHEEEEEAAAAAP!!!

As for Gil, once I figured something out, he's not that rough anymore. Save a super gauge or two when you've almost got him beat. When you knock him down and he screams "RESURRECTION!!!" and starts refilling his health, unleash any super that goes across the screen (ex.: Ryu's super fireball). You'll basically hit him out of his super and he'll only really get about half of his life back (or less, if you're quick enough). You can't try to run up and hit him because he pushes you back, but supers get through.

Man, Testament and Dizzy took me forever to beat too. Finally, after a couple hours, I'd get pissed and just try one-hit kills until I beat them. It eventually works. I'm good at fighting games, but those two make me want to tear my hair out.





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"Re(5):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 16:20post reply


oh yeah! i remember those World Tour Bisons!
i guess it's our fighting styles, but strange enough, i usually can't get past the "Dark Hadou team" but when i reach the Bisons, i do just fine






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"Re(6):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 16:27post reply


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oh yeah! i remember those World Tour Bisons!
i guess it's our fighting styles, but strange enough, i usually can't get past the "Dark Hadou team" but when i reach the Bisons, i do just fine


DEAR GOD, THEY'RE EVIL!!! You must have fought them when they were in a good mood, because those Bisons went apesh*t on me. I'd get to where Akuma and Ryu didn' t give me too much trouble, then WHAM! the Bisons would show up and kill me. They'd both run up, one would punch me in the face while the other swept my legs out from behind me, and as soon as my feet were an inch off the ground, they'd fire that super off. If, somehow, they missed, they'd just go ahead and try again right after. And again. And again... until one of them hit me. I was only able to beat them with Akuma, and if I could get a Hell Murder on one of them as soon as possible. I finally got them both after MAAAAANY tries.





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"Re(7):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 17:38post reply


Safe to say I'll never choose option # 1.

There's a reason why there aren't many boss characters I do like.





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"Re(8):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 17:55post reply


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As for Gil, once I figured something out, he's not that rough anymore. Save a super gauge or two when you've almost got him beat. When you knock him down and he screams "RESURRECTION!!!" and starts refilling his health, unleash any super that goes across the screen (ex.: Ryu's super fireball). You'll basically hit him out of his super and he'll only really get about half of his life back (or less, if you're quick enough). You can't try to run up and hit him because he pushes you back, but supers get through.



Wow. Kickass. I'll have to try that. Too bad Makoto's punch move has no range, but her kick super should do.





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"Re(9):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 17:58post reply


Give it a shot. It makes the final boss fight a lot less painful.





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"Re(1):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 18:26post reply


i can't believe some would mention dizzy and testament . . . they're easy in comparison to their predecessors (GG1 Testament and *shudder* JUSTICE)

Justice IS HORROR.





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"Re(2):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 19:13post reply


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i can't believe some would mention dizzy and testament . . . they're easy in comparison to their predecessors (GG1 Testament and *shudder* JUSTICE)

Justice IS HORROR.


damn you!

i wanna fight Justice! i've looked around on a few sites and have only found a few small sketches of his face. i'm still patiently waiting for GGXX to be released in the states so i can at least get a glimpse of what that monster looks like ..






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"Re(3):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 19:42post reply


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i can't believe some would mention dizzy and testament . . . they're easy in comparison to their predecessors (GG1 Testament and *shudder* JUSTICE)

Justice IS HORROR.

damn you!

i wanna fight Justice! i've looked around on a few sites and have only found a few small sketches of his face. i'm still patiently waiting for GGXX to be released in the states so i can at least get a glimpse of what that monster looks like ..


Justice? Surprised you haven't checked gamegen.com...
Justice





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"for great Justice! launch every zig!" , posted Sun 24 Nov 19:52post reply


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i can't believe some would mention dizzy and testament . . . they're easy in comparison to their predecessors (GG1 Testament and *shudder* JUSTICE)

Justice IS HORROR.

damn you!

i wanna fight Justice! i've looked around on a few sites and have only found a few small sketches of his face. i'm still patiently waiting for GGXX to be released in the states so i can at least get a glimpse of what that monster looks like ..

Justice? Surprised you haven't checked gamegen.com...
Justice


cool! the guy finally added more pictures

before, all he had was this
http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/characters/justice-profile.jpg
and this
http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/characters/justice1.jpg

i still wanna see him in action >_<
zoom zig zoom zig zoom zig






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"Re(4):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 19:53post reply


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i can't believe some would mention dizzy and testament . . . they're easy in comparison to their predecessors (GG1 Testament and *shudder* JUSTICE)

Justice IS HORROR.


The only Guilty Gear I've played so far is GGX or whichever one is on PS2 right now. So, I haven't fought Justice yet...





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"Re(1):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Sun 24 Nov 20:16post reply


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I love the strong ending ones. Such a challenge!





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"Re(3):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Mon 25 Nov 00:18post reply


if you wanna see more justice
just check out my gg1 rips page
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"Re(4):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Mon 25 Nov 00:51post reply


Right now I like one mid and one last boss. A little tired of 2 last bosses like Last Blade 1, Mark of the Wolves, & Rage of the Dragons.

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Ah what's Axel's ending? Did he enter the Guilty Gear tourney to find worthy replacement members for his band? Maybe Faust reperesents Buckethead





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"Re(5):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Mon 25 Nov 01:15post reply


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Ah what's Axel's ending? Did he enter the Guilty Gear tourney to find worthy replacement members for his band? Maybe Faust reperesents Buckethead



nope, axl just falls off the face of the earth again





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"Re(4):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Mon 25 Nov 01:22post reply


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very cool!! i've never seen these before! thanks a lot!

now more questions come to mind ..
- is Sol the one that took down Justice?
- that symbol on Sol's forehead (usually covered by that head gear), is it the same that's on Baiken's forehead?

speaking of Baiken, wow, what a drastic change in look from GG1. i guess the two artists saw her differently
and May .... creepy girl! something wicked about her ... the GGXX artist must've modeled his May off of the GG1 artist's May. i do like her tanned skin. makes her look more, uh, "pirate-ish" (you know, pirates spend a lot of time in the sun)

(oh yea, i'm just assuming GG1, GGX, and GGXX had different artists. i mean, the styles are all so different. i wish i could find more of their work in non-mook form @_@)






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"Re(9):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Mon 25 Nov 05:42post reply


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As for Gil, once I figured something out, he's not that rough anymore. Save a super gauge or two when you've almost got him beat. When you knock him down and he screams "RESURRECTION!!!" and starts refilling his health, unleash any super that goes across the screen (ex.: Ryu's super fireball). You'll basically hit him out of his super and he'll only really get about half of his life back (or less, if you're quick enough). You can't try to run up and hit him because he pushes you back, but supers get through.


Wow. Kickass. I'll have to try that. Too bad Makoto's punch move has no range, but her kick super should do.



You can use any move, it doesn't have to be a super.

Makoto's qcf+P or f+MK will probably work just fine.





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"Re(1):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Mon 25 Nov 10:07post reply


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"Re(4):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Mon 25 Nov 10:09post reply


While that giant metal phallus he was strutting around with was hysterical, I always felt that Justice was way too powerful thanks to the GG game engine. Getting pinned into a corner by non-stop supers was not my idea of a fun final boss.

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Cool screen grabs, thanks for posting them. Daisuke Ishiwatari's art [at least I think he was doing the in-game art] had a really odd look to it, which probably has something to do with the black backgrounds sucking most of the light out of the pictures.





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"Re(5):Fighting game bosses POLL." , posted Tue 24 Dec 13:31post reply


Personally, I like the way CVS2 works when it comes to Bosses. If you don't play well, you get a regular character as a boss. If you play very good, you get a Mid Boss and a Boss. If you play great, you get the Mid Boss and the real Boss of the Game!

Well, I guess by this Logic, I vote for Mid Boss and then a Boss, I guess.