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| Undead Fred
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|  "Re(7):Are there any artists here?"
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Ok maybe it didn't come out right cuz I was in a hurry.
What I mean is you have to reach a certain level to be able to call yourself that. IMO the term "artist" is taken for granted A LOT. Even though you guys a pretty good, you guys ain't nothing to write home about (no offense).
So, my 9 year old sister LOVES drawing and does it a lot. Would you call her an artist? Love for something means absolutely NOTHING. In fact if you really love something you keep it to yourslef and don't flash it all over.
Thanks for reading (hope I didn't offend anyone),
I'm not about to start in on the "what is art???" Pandora's box question, but at the risk of starting some stupid debate over this...
Just because you're not a FINE artist, does NOT mean you're not an artist. That's like saying anyone who does not make classical music is not a musician. If you've got some degree of artistic skill and create art (with or without quotes around it if you prefer), then you're an artist. There is such a thing as a crappy artist. I agree the term artist is thrown around a bit too much, but I totally believe that illustrators are considered artists. Even that horrible crap they say is art on that commercial for the art school where you draw the pirate and the turtle and get them to say you're an artist is still technically art. It's bad art, but it's still art. Anyone who is dedicated to any aspect of the world of art and has a desire to keep getting better at it is definitely an artist. Your sister might not technically be an artist NOW, but if she stays with drawing, then she will be.
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| Satoshi_Miwa 1644th Post
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| "Re(8):Are there any artists here?" , posted Sat 16 Nov 23:42
Funny story time, to lighten the mood up a bit. Once, back in 94 IIRC, I was on a trip to Ottawa, our nations capitol (School type deal...). One of the highlights of the trip, beyond drinking my first beer (^^) was the musuem of art we toured. We saw lots of classic paintings, sculpturs, and new age art. Including a giant metal cube which I thought was a bench, but was a million dollar sculpture Closest I've ever come to a million dollars...:)
Why do I mention this? To bring home the point that there is no set rule book on art, and what art truly is. What is one man's art can be one man's bench. Thus we shouldn't be so quick to say something's not art, or that something lacks an artisic value. We may not like what the piece is, but that doesn't mean it isn't art...
So let's put a chill on this whole not-art business. It's elitist, and it's not healthy. And it's disrespectful to the people making the work and who are happy to share it...(Which takes great courage..).
And remember to keep an open mind about all forms of art. If we keep closed minds about stuff we wouldn't have had any advances in art or culture. People once thought Rock music was without artisic merit, till the Beatles, Bob Dylan, and the Rolling Stones proved them totally wrong. Even though a lot of people refues to accept it as art here, comics like Naussica, the Watchmen, Maus, and Maison Ikkoku all have great artisic qualties to them. And the motion picture, once thought of as pure trash in the early days, has some truly wonderfull works of art. So try and keep an open mind, eh?
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| Dr Baghead 1780th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):Are there any artists here?" , posted Sun 17 Nov 01:04
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Dr Baghead,
So you feel all special because you're getting a degree? I wouldn't be surprised if I can outdraw your sorry ass in 2 years if I wanted, and I ain't attending any institution. It just matters by how good your imagination is and how much time you devote. Saying you are attending an art college or whatever, too, means NOTHING. And screw the mind, your stuff is either good or not.
And a nice flock you to you too.
You don't know me... I've got a great imagination (I'm working on a comic storyline right now, it's not on the web or anything because I'm not finished working out the kinks), I know foreshortning and perspective (and if I fell so inclinded will use them, but for little sketches like the other artist here do I don't see why I would... pin-up art tends to be rather straight forward anyway.)I'm going to art school because not only will it help me hone my skills but employers do like to see a little training on your resumee.
So if you think you can out draw me once I graduate let it be such, we'll have a contest and let the board judge who wins... until then 'flock' you, 'flock' off, and have a 'flocking' good day. (say that's fun to type, 'flock' is! my I use that?)
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| Izek
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| "Re(3):Re(10):Are there any artists here?" , posted Sun 17 Nov 01:21
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Dr Baghead,
So you feel all special because you're getting a degree? I wouldn't be surprised if I can outdraw your sorry ass in 2 years if I wanted, and I ain't attending any institution. It just matters by how good your imagination is and how much time you devote. Saying you are attending an art college or whatever, too, means NOTHING. And screw the mind, your stuff is either good or not.
And a nice flock you to you too.
You don't know me... I've got a great imagination (I'm working on a comic storyline right now, it's not on the web or anything because I'm not finished working out the kinks), I know foreshortning and perspective (and if I fell so inclinded will use them, but for little sketches like the other artist here do I don't see why I would... pin-up art tends to be rather straight forward anyway.)I'm going to art school because not only will it help me hone my skills but employers do like to see a little training on your resumee.
So if you think you can out draw me once I graduate let it be such, we'll have a contest and let the board judge who wins... until then 'flock' you, 'flock' off, and have a 'flocking' good day. (say that's fun to type, 'flock' is! my I use that?)
Yeah I know I picked up "flock" from another forum and found it pretty funny.
Pfft...so now you feel special because you have an idea for a comic? For your info I have a few ideas and don't know which to pick. Heck currently I'm deciding if I just do a lil animated (hand-drawn) short or a comic.
Have nice flocking day to you and to your flocking ego,
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| Dr Baghead 1783th Post
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| "Re(3):Re(10):Are there any artists here?" , posted Sun 17 Nov 12:03
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Heard of the studios closing like hell these days? Also it isn't as much about getting your first job but keeping the slippery thing. Thanks to 3d, 2d is in deep shit. Yu might wanna take this "warning" more seriously, I know some people in the this industry so I ain't lying.
Well neat thing about my major (and why I choose it over just plan Illustration) is it's very adaptable.
Yes, 3d is pushing out 2d. But there's still a market for 2d. When such market is gone (and I know there's a good chance of such) the basic animation knowledge I got from my major is a fine jumping off point. I'm learning a bit of computer animation in school as well so that's a big plus, since most studios would rather train an animator to use a computer program then teach a computer artist how to animate right.
But my major isn't animation, it's Illustration for Animation. Computers don't make up the character designs themselves you know... real illustrators are need to draw concept arts, model sheets, turn arounds, and more. If I can't work in "production arts" I can always use this same illustrative knowledge in product design or work for an advertizing firm. (sure neither of those are glamorous, but work's work, no?)
I mean, sure work isn't being thrown all over the place just because I have a degree, but if I practice enough to be good it will certainly be a much needed boost in the shrinking job market.
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| Aku-Man
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| "Re(2):Re(10):Are there any artists here?" , posted Sun 17 Nov 12:13
LOL man I leave for a day or two...BAM, 44 messages...
Well, if I likewise had as much to share in pictures as the lot of you have, I would, but my art isn't quite there in my opinion, though once again I say the stuff's great!
And I think this quarrel's also rather pointless. I mean, Art. Is. Completely.
SUBJECTIVE.
From what omniscient do people judge art exactly? Isn't it basically some abstract method of human expression? Therefore - other than aesthetic appeal - there is no one-way about art that one can judge. Art doesn't necessarily have to imitate life, which was what teh whle impressionist movement was about. Though i respect realism and such, something through some profound method of imagery is closer to teh true definition of art, and thus its creator is more of an 'artist' than somone who does a very nice pic using a reference source.
the only problems with a clear-cut definition of 'artist' is that nowadays art is more or less a commodity, and those damn post-modernists (which i won't get too into because they piss me off so much).
However, drawing for the love of it, to express some intimate passion for either raw emotion, or simply for the creativ power to emulate life, one who does that is an artist, IMHO.
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| Undead Fred
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| "Re:Are there any artists here?" , posted Sun 17 Nov 12:18
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Undead Fred:
I about summed it up in my last post that I had stopped on the artist topic,no? And please go to my first friggin post and see what the first line in the damn thing says.
animator?" or whatever (and I could go on about that question, but I'm not going to).
I dare you to elaborate on this.
Go ahead and call yourselves artists but make sure you don't do it in class or in public to show off or whatever, you might regret it later.
If I offended someone then I'm sorry, I didn't know people got so sensitive. My post wasn't intended to start a flame war or anything of that sort.
First off, I'm not going down that "what is animation" road because I know it'll just open up another long-winded debate. You know it, I know it, everyone else here knows it. I've had enough of that in my Seminar in EV class. And it's only going to get worse in Experimental Animation. Sorry if our arguments touch a sensitive spot, but it's something we feel strongly about. I'm sorry you think people are trying to show off when they say they are an artist, they're not. If someone posted their work and called themself the King of Imagination, then they'd be showing off.
As for the shortage of work in the animation industry, personally, I'm not too worried. I've heard there's a shortage too, but somebody somewhere needs an animator, even if it's for some terrible flying logo. Look at some of the CG they have on TV and crappier video games, and you'll have hope of getting some sort of starting job somewhere. If I can't get into animation right away, there's always graphic design or web design....
If you're wanting to start up some sort of art contest here, then start talking more about it. Did you have some sort of theme in mind? Who's the judge? Is it just us posting a work and we do a quickie critique?
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| Dr Baghead 1792th Post
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| "Re(4):Re(10):Re(10):Are there any artists her" , posted Sun 17 Nov 14:25
(has decided replying to anything Izek says isn't going to do anything)
let's see if this works a second time...
Izek's day:
7;00-wake up, complain how because you produce art you aren't an "artist"
7;05 to 7;30-shower, get dressed, eat a nurshing breakfast, tell little sister she's not an "artist" because no one wants to hire her.
7;30 to 8-finish backing up for school, weep to self about the emotional pain caused that caused him to hate "artist"
8 to 3- School, sit in computer lab and loom over this post to tell everyone how they suck and will never get jobs
3 to 5- Talk to "those in the industry" about how no one will ever get a job. (which I assume are either stuffed animals or people on AIM roll playing as such)
5 to 7- TV time/ignores how someone had to draw ever logo he sees and pretend that's not good clean (and well paying I might add) work.
7 to 7;30- Tasty well prepared dinner, further complains how you're not an "artist" if you're not paid.
7;30 to 11- relaxing time, calls up Ms.Cleo to see if she can guess how old he is [pretend it means something when she guesses too high]
11 to 7- restful nights sleep (in which he dreams of yelling at people who want to be 'artist' that they are wasting their lives, and he knows because he knows people who are in the industry, and despite their finding jobs no one else will!)
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Glad to meet another fellow artist.
impure souls of the living dead shall be banished into eternal Damnation. Amen.
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