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| crom
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|  "NGCube underestimated? PS2 the new "kiddy"?"
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I dunno, the industry seems to be like "first ps2 the the x-box" but these days it's nintendos little lila machine that bugs me most- Metroid Prime, Starfox Adventures, Mario Sunshine, Eternal darkness, Resident Evil zero- and next year Zelda, FFcrystal, REvil4 (finally!). Oh, and Sega is doing a NGC-F-zero- YES!
Sony, on the other hand, is acting rather odd, lately- yeah, there is GTA:Vice city, but then there is that censoring of XXX:BMX (tough for the US-market only I hope) and these days one platformer after another is making its rounds. Is sony overconfident, or are they just expanding into new grounds?
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| Radish 516th Post
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| "Re(1):NGCube underestimated? PS2 the new" , posted Tue 12 Nov 05:58
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I dunno, the industry seems to be like "first ps2 the the x-box" but these days it's nintendos little lila machine that bugs me most- Metroid Prime, Starfox Adventures, Mario Sunshine, Eternal darkness, Resident Evil zero- and next year Zelda, FFcrystal, REvil4 (finally!). Oh, and Sega is doing a NGC-F-zero- YES!
Sony, on the other hand, is acting rather odd, lately- yeah, there is GTA:Vice city, but then there is that censoring of XXX:BMX (tough for the US-market only I hope) and these days one platformer after another is making its rounds. Is sony overconfident, or are they just expanding into new grounds?
Although I might be giving Sony too much credit here, it might be possible that they censored BMX XXX because it wasn't worth taking the eventual flak for a game that crappy. The nudity was an obvious gimmick to get people to buy a game that would normally be forgotten before it was even released.
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| price is right
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| "Re(2):NGCube underestimated? PS2 the new" , posted Tue 12 Nov 10:10
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I dunno, the industry seems to be like "first ps2 the the x-box" but these days it's nintendos little lila machine that bugs me most- Metroid Prime, Starfox Adventures, Mario Sunshine, Eternal darkness, Resident Evil zero- and next year Zelda, FFcrystal, REvil4 (finally!). Oh, and Sega is doing a NGC-F-zero- YES!
Sony, on the other hand, is acting rather odd, lately- yeah, there is GTA:Vice city, but then there is that censoring of XXX:BMX (tough for the US-market only I hope) and these days one platformer after another is making its rounds. Is sony overconfident, or are they just expanding into new grounds?
Although I might be giving Sony too much credit here, it might be possible that they censored BMX XXX because it wasn't worth taking the eventual flak for a game that crappy. The nudity was an obvious gimmick to get people to buy a game that would normally be forgotten before it was even released.
...eternal darkness....
lately, ps2 has had more than just vice city -_-
anyways, yea, what radish says, haha, who really cares about the nudity in that game anyways, for me, it looks nowhere near as good as is could look, your better off, jus gettin off to the new doa, now that game, tops nudity, mmm mmm those girls are fine 
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| Juan 2574th Post
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| "Re(3):NGCube underestimated? PS2 the new" , posted Tue 12 Nov 10:40:
To the contrary, Eternal Darkness is a very fine game. Storyline and gameplay wise, and they added some pretty cool elements and weapons. And then you have Too Human from Silicon Knights later on for the cube.
Why do you think is a bad game? (
Or was it because you didnt have a bouncing rack as a main character to keep attention on the game?
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...eternal darkness....
lately, ps2 has had more than just vice city -_-
anyways, yea, what radish says, haha, who really cares about the nudity in that game anyways, for me, it looks nowhere near as good as is could look, your better off, jus gettin off to the new doa, now that game, tops nudity, mmm mmm those girls are fine
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| OYashiroForever
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| "Re(1):NGCube underestimated? PS2 the new" , posted Tue 12 Nov 10:43
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I dunno, the industry seems to be like "first ps2 the the x-box" but these days it's nintendos little lila machine that bugs me most- Metroid Prime, Starfox Adventures, Mario Sunshine, Eternal darkness, Resident Evil zero- and next year Zelda, FFcrystal, REvil4 (finally!). Oh, and Sega is doing a NGC-F-zero- YES!
Sony, on the other hand, is acting rather odd, lately- yeah, there is GTA:Vice city, but then there is that censoring of XXX:BMX (tough for the US-market only I hope) and these days one platformer after another is making its rounds. Is sony overconfident, or are they just expanding into new grounds?
While I would certainly agree that Sony is WAY over-confident at this point (and have been for quite some time), I don't think that has anything to do with censoring BMX. However, you bring up a good point.
Nintendo's "kiddy" image is absolutely ridiculous. Sony + Microsoft don't have any more violent 1st and 2nd party games than Nintendo. The "problem" is that Nintendo still has rotten 3rd party support and a lot of the ones that make the ultra-violent stuff simply don't do games on the Gamecube (due to exclusivity contracts and what not). The irony is that the only people who whine about Gamecube being "for kids" are usually ignorant kids/teens themselves.
The point: real gamers own all three systems and don't get in to pissing fights over which one's better. If you don't have the PS2, you're missing out on Square games, GTA, and a lot of other stuff. If you don't have a GC, you're missing out on Metroid, Zelda, and RE. If you don't have an X-brick, you're missing out on, errrr.... Halo (and the best online service).
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| Fro Boy11 1172th Post
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| "Re(2):NGCube underestimated? PS2 the new" , posted Tue 12 Nov 14:31
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I dunno, the industry seems to be like "first ps2 the the x-box" but these days it's nintendos little lila machine that bugs me most- Metroid Prime, Starfox Adventures, Mario Sunshine, Eternal darkness, Resident Evil zero- and next year Zelda, FFcrystal, REvil4 (finally!). Oh, and Sega is doing a NGC-F-zero- YES!
Sony, on the other hand, is acting rather odd, lately- yeah, there is GTA:Vice city, but then there is that censoring of XXX:BMX (tough for the US-market only I hope) and these days one platformer after another is making its rounds. Is sony overconfident, or are they just expanding into new grounds?
While I would certainly agree that Sony is WAY over-confident at this point (and have been for quite some time), I don't think that has anything to do with censoring BMX. However, you bring up a good point.
Nintendo's "kiddy" image is absolutely ridiculous. Sony + Microsoft don't have any more violent 1st and 2nd party games than Nintendo. The "problem" is that Nintendo still has rotten 3rd party support and a lot of the ones that make the ultra-violent stuff simply don't do games on the Gamecube (due to exclusivity contracts and what not). The irony is that the only people who whine about Gamecube being "for kids" are usually ignorant kids/teens themselves.
The point: real gamers own all three systems and don't get in to pissing fights over which one's better. If you don't have the PS2, you're missing out on Square games, GTA, and a lot of other stuff. If you don't have a GC, you're missing out on Metroid, Zelda, and RE. If you don't have an X-brick, you're missing out on, errrr.... Halo (and the best online service).
Yeah, I would probably have an XBox, but they don't have the games for me. I mean there's Halo, CvS2, WWE RAW 2, and that's about it....well, maybe Shenmue 2, but after a year it's not exciting to me anymore.
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| iggy 948th Post
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| "Re(2):NGCube underestimated? PS2 the new" , posted Tue 12 Nov 15:11
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The point: real gamers own all three systems and don't get in to pissing fights over which one's better. If you don't have the PS2, you're missing out on Square games, GTA, and a lot of other stuff. If you don't have a GC, you're missing out on Metroid, Zelda, and RE. If you don't have an X-brick, you're missing out on, errrr.... Halo (and the best online service).
On PS2 : screw Square : the PS2 is above everything the Benami console!! I want Pop'n 9 NOW!
For the best online service... I think a PC is fine too, and more functional^_^ (but it doesn't have beach volley)
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| wingzero 1067th Post
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| "Re(1):NGCube underestimated? PS2 the new" , posted Tue 12 Nov 15:47
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I dunno, the industry seems to be like "first ps2 the the x-box" but these days it's nintendos little lila machine that bugs me most- Metroid Prime, Starfox Adventures, Mario Sunshine, Eternal darkness, Resident Evil zero- and next year Zelda, FFcrystal, REvil4 (finally!). Oh, and Sega is doing a NGC-F-zero- YES!
Sony, on the other hand, is acting rather odd, lately- yeah, there is GTA:Vice city, but then there is that censoring of XXX:BMX (tough for the US-market only I hope) and these days one platformer after another is making its rounds. Is sony overconfident, or are they just expanding into new grounds?
i've always stuck up for poor old nintendo when people bash it for bein too 'kiddy'
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| price is right
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| "Re(4):NGCube underestimated? PS2 the new" , posted Tue 12 Nov 18:30
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To the contrary, Eternal Darkness is a very fine game. Storyline and gameplay wise, and they added some pretty cool elements and weapons. And then you have Too Human from Silicon Knights later on for the cube.
Why do you think is a bad game? (
Or was it because you didnt have a bouncing rack as a main character to keep attention on the game?
...eternal darkness....
lately, ps2 has had more than just vice city -_-
anyways, yea, what radish says, haha, who really cares about the nudity in that game anyways, for me, it looks nowhere near as good as is could look, your better off, jus gettin off to the new doa, now that game, tops nudity, mmm mmm those girls are fine
noo, i dont need big breasts to make a game good, i just made that comment in comparison to bmx xxx or whatever its called, i really dont have much of a reason for not liking eternal darkness, i just dont like it....much, its all just personal preference, shouldnt really have to give a reason, right ? if you dont like it, you dont like it, shouldnt affect the way other people think about the game...
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| Juan 2580th Post
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| "Re(5):NGCube underestimated? PS2 the new" , posted Tue 12 Nov 21:15
Well yes you have your own opinion and at the moment i dont have the ability to brainwash anyone. But I really havent heard bad thing from people about that game So it would be nice to hear some details. Besides just saying it sucks or using smileys doesnt look too sharp.
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noo, i dont need big breasts to make a game good, i just made that comment in comparison to bmx xxx or whatever its called, i really dont have much of a reason for not liking eternal darkness, i just dont like it....much, its all just personal preference, shouldnt really have to give a reason, right ? if you dont like it, you dont like it, shouldnt affect the way other people think about the game...
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| price is right
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| "Re(6):NGCube underestimated? PS2 the new" , posted Wed 13 Nov 00:08
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Well yes you have your own opinion and at the moment i dont have the ability to brainwash anyone. But I really havent heard bad thing from people about that game So it would be nice to hear some details. Besides just saying it sucks or using smileys doesnt look too sharp.
noo, i dont need big breasts to make a game good, i just made that comment in comparison to bmx xxx or whatever its called, i really dont have much of a reason for not liking eternal darkness, i just dont like it....much, its all just personal preference, shouldnt really have to give a reason, right ? if you dont like it, you dont like it, shouldnt affect the way other people think about the game...
wait, i wasnt the person who said it sucks though ! lol saying it sucks is different from using a smiley, a big diference between saying i dont like the game, and saying that it sucks, im stating that i dont like the game MUCH, not that it sucks. i honestly cant explain why i dont like the game, maybe i just didnt spend enough time playing it ? but from what i did play...i didnt like, really not my style of game, no specific things about the game that i dont like, just the overall style of game that i just dont enjoy....
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| crom
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| "Re(2):NGCube underestimated? PS2 the new" , posted Wed 13 Nov 06:51
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There is no conspiracy about it, Nintendo themselves want to appeal to the young demographic with their own first-party games. As a system developer, Nintendo was never opposed to any M-rated 3rd-party software, but since they appeal to kids and thus have kids BUY the system, it has a *much* deserved kiddy image which prevents M-rated games from reaching their demographic. It's one of the many reasons why Resident Evil didn't do well at all.
Sony hasn't changed a damn thing about what they do (they have censored before), and it just proves that the third one - Microsoft - will do anything to sell a system. Nothing has changed.
The main reason why RE didn't do "well" is that it is a remake. It did very well in europe/US, but the problem was the japanese market where everybody expected it to sell the cube- something not even Mario has done well (compared to his own standars).
No, the one thing I've noticed about sony, is that there have been more quality "kiddy" jump 'n runs lately then ever- it seems to me that sony wants to make their console even more mainstream than it is- and I can't tell why, but that disturbs me much more than microsofts cheap selling tactics (nudity+boobs=$$$).
And in case of BMX:XXX, I should have mentoned
that the cube version is uncensored too.
And by the way, please don't bash the game for nudity only- I think that the bad reviews are more a defensive reaction of the gamers (no one wants to be framed as beeing sexistic, gamers the least of all). I played a preview version, and it's not worse or better that other freestyle-games. If anyone deserves that bashing, than it's acclaim for putting the content over everything else, and all the people bashing it before even playing it.
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| Radish 521th Post
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| "Re(1):well Radish..." , posted Wed 13 Nov 11:26
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Atlus should be wasting less time on Cubivore, Dual Hearts and Robopon and translate some damned Megami Tensei games. Hell, even Devil Children will do at this point.
I hate to say it, but if you don't support Atlus by buying the software they do release you shouldn't bitch about them not releasing the games you want to see. If you've bought more than one Atlus published title this year then I'm sorry for the affront. You could be more polite about it though.
But really, Atlus sticks their necks out with every other release. If it weren't for them then the only Ogre Battle game North America would ever have seen is the SNES version of March of the Black Queen. Not to mention they introduced the Guilty Gear series to the region.
Just remember they have to make money. They're not a non-profit charity organization. Robopon has done quite well for them, I wouldn't knock that if I were you.
Wait for the new MegaTen for the PS2 to come out, it has a much better chance of being translated. How many copies of an OBSCURE PSONE RPG or a PSONE PORT OF A SUPER NINTENDO RPG do you expect they would sell in North America anyway?
Sorry to go off topic.
I have a love/hate (90% love/10% hate)relationship with Atlus. I buy their games all the time, not just to support a company but because I think the products warrent a purchase. Off the top of my head I own Persona, Persona 2, Sky Gunner, Brigandine, Tactics Ogre, TO:KOL, Thousand Arms. Heck, I even got Hoshigami (although that was terrible.)
I still think however, that they are wasting their time with games like Dual Hearts and Robopon, when their own parent company is making much better games. I've given up hope on Innocent Sin. I can see that they would totally lose money releasing it so I have no problem. However if they want to cash in on the Pokemon craze, Devil Children is a much better choice than Robopon 2.
While SMT3 seems like a no brainer for a US release, I'm still doubtful. I'm totally grateful for Atlus; they're probably my favorite videogame company right now. However I think that they should focus a bit on some of the stuff that the company is based on. I really think that the SMT series can catch on now that videogames are becoming more adult oriented and there is much less risk in releasing a series that has already proven to be profitable in Japan. Plus, now that SMT is being released on GBA, it would be the perfect time for a port, although I'm not exactly holding my breath for that one. Considering Sega is rereleasing Phantasy Star in the US, I think there's a market waiting to be tapped for SMT, at least on systems where graphics aren't a huge priority.
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| Dr Baghead 1760th Post
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| "Re(2):NGCube underestimated? PS2 the new" , posted Wed 13 Nov 14:07
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The point: real gamers own all three systems and don't get in to pissing fights over which one's better. If you don't have the PS2, you're missing out on Square games, GTA, and a lot of other stuff. If you don't have a GC, you're missing out on Metroid, Zelda, and RE. If you don't have an X-brick, you're missing out on, errrr.... Halo (and the best online service).
If you don't have an XBox you're missing out on the best graphics of the 3 systems (although I'd argue games on the 'Cube look just as nice, but PS2 games have a noticible lack in comparasion), the hard-drive (which is cool), and ummmm.... well my PS2 stopped running movie DVD's, so if I didn't have an XBox I'd be missing out on DVD's!
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