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| Crazymike 275th Post
 
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|  "Funny fighting game quirks"
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What have been some funny, weird, annoying, whatever things that you have noticed in fighting games? heres some of mine:
Charlie in the endings of Street Fighter Zero 3, piloting a jet without a helmet, suit, and more importantly, oxygen mask
in Mortal Kombat, your not allowed to perform a fatality on four armed freaks and a man in a skeleton suit but you can make little babies blow up @_@
In KOF, why do all fighters who have rivalries i.e Kyo, Iori have to settle things in a tournament, and basically say in their ending something to the effect of "Just wait until next year so and so!" Why doesn't Iori just walk up to Kyo's house, knock on the door, and punch him in the gut?
In Virtua Fighter, why do they try and make it realistic yet the characters seem to float when they jump? (at least in the older ones, haven't played 4)
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| DKW
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| "My pet peeve things..." , posted Mon 28 Oct 12:34
Really, really half-baked attempts to rip off RPGs. Look, I don't care how popular they are, this is just dumb. In a fighting tournament with 30 playable characters, having its ultimate fate come down to handful of random people and making all the other fights completley irrelevant just isn't going to work.
The 20-year forward jump, by far one of the worst recent "innovations". Particularly egregious for Tekken, where it was done for the sake of ONE CHARACTER. (Oops, make that two, better not forget about Steve.  )
The idea that every tournament has only ONE possible winner, and that the entire tournament can be scripted from start to finish. Y'know, I remember a time when everyone had a chance, and if the company wanted to make a sequel, they just started anew without even trying to "build" on the past. I remember things being a helluva lot easier to keep track of then.
Guns being about 1/50,000,000th as lethal in any fighting game than they are in real life.
The slow but steady encroachment of anime, especially for character portraits. Cf. SS1 and SS4, or FF1/2 and MOTW.
The personalities/fighting ability/style/favored attacks etc. never, ever being as same in the game as they are in the profile. Leads to lots of silly situations like Sean getting his butt handed to him by some random goon just days after laying the smackdown on Gill.
The slow but steady girlification of the female side. Almost no one over 30, let alone 40 or 50. (Lessee, there's Power Instinct, and...um...did I already mention Power Instinct?) Look at ROTD or the upcoming Capcom All-Stars game, for crying out loud...it's like they raided a friggin' gymnastics squad. And of course, I don't have to mention Sakura Kasugano and the like not aging a bit it years (and of course Capcom fudging the timeline/storyline 5,000 ways from Wednesday so this doesn't come across as completely bizarre). Do I even need to mention that "cryo-sleep" garbage with Nina Williams? Okay, I understand that Japan has some weird fetish with underage girls and girlie uniforms and the like (I've seen it on the Pop 'N Music sites, too...anyone see a naked picture of May or NK2000 lately?), but these are worldwide companies, and, more important, this is fighting. A fighter is supposed to have muscle, power, ability, something I just don't see in Sakura and her ilk. I don't mine the occasional teenybopper (hey, I think that word fits, and I'm using it, dammit) for the sake of variety, but filling the entire female side with them? Bad idea.
Horribly complicated storylines. (Whoever came up with the Nests Cartel saga should be smacked around repeatedly with a sake gourd.) When you got all these people and all their personal stories, it really is a good idea to keep it simple 'n stupid.
I got more (of course), but those are the main ones.
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| Dr Baghead 1734th Post
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| "Re(3):Funny fighting game quirks" , posted Mon 28 Oct 20:45
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In KOF, why do all fighters who have rivalries i.e Kyo, Iori have to settle things in a tournament, and basically say in their ending something to the effect of "Just wait until next year so and so!" Why doesn't Iori just walk up to Kyo's house, knock on the door, and punch him in the gut?
That would make a great ending...
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How some of B.B. Hood's endings in Cannon Spike always end with her being blown up with the island.
She says she wants treasure or something, she's just greedy
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Kensou's endless supply of buns
Those buns cost like 50 cents in China Town (and if you go to the right bakery are extremely tasty)... he probably just plops down a $20 and takes 40 with him to a fight so it seems endless
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Where does Ibuki get all her daggers from?
Dagger4U.com, were you can order daggers from home and recieve them by mail! Free Shipping for orders of over 50 ninja-dollars!
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Are Gill and Urien are ever cold?
Only Gill's blue side, and I'm sure there's some "pee is warm" line to make about Urien, but I'm trying to show a little class here.
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Are Hugo and Victor related? 
Yes, Victor and Hugo are related, there family's big on "The Hunchback of Notchre Dome"
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| TiamatRoar 286th Post
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| "Re(1):My pet peeve things..." , posted Mon 28 Oct 22:48:
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Y'know, I remember a time when everyone had a chance, and if the company wanted to make a sequel, they just started anew without even trying to "build" on the past. I remember things being a helluva lot easier to keep track of then.
To my knowledge, among Capcom and SNK, the ONLY fighting game with a tournament storyline that doesn't have an official decisive winner announced and flat out stated by the company that made it is Street Fighter 2. I can personally vouch that Art of Fighting 2 (which was a tournament), all the Fatal Fury's that were tournaments (1 and 2, I believe), Street Fighter 1 and 3, and all KOF tournament games all had decisive winners that were actually officially announced as winners by the company (Very soon after the game came out, too, in most cases). Several of which came before or during the time period of Street Fighter 2. As for nonCapcom or SNK games, Tekken tournaments all had a winner, also... albeit in a rather messed up fashion (Win that tournament but not be acknowledged for it, Paul. FOR GREAT FRIENDSHIP!). I'm not sure about games like World Heros and Virtual Fighter, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if those had official winners, too.
So that time you're remembering was incredibly short, brief, and in between two times that were the exact opposite of that time you were remembering. In fact, in the grand scheme of things, it wasn't even a 'time' at all, so much as a momentary fluke of one game in a sea of games that DID have decisive winners, really.
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| RugalBernstein 2731th Post
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| "Re(1):My pet peeve things..." , posted Mon 28 Oct 23:05:
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The slow but steady girlification of the female side. Almost no one over 30, let alone 40 or 50. (Lessee, there's Power Instinct, and...um...did I already mention Power Instinct?) Look at ROTD or the upcoming Capcom All-Stars game, for crying out loud...it's like they raided a friggin' gymnastics squad. And of course, I don't have to mention Sakura Kasugano and the like not aging a bit it years (and of course Capcom fudging the timeline/storyline 5,000 ways from Wednesday so this doesn't come across as completely bizarre). Do I even need to mention that "cryo-sleep" garbage with Nina Williams? Okay, I understand that Japan has some weird fetish with underage girls and girlie uniforms and the like (I've seen it on the Pop 'N Music sites, too...anyone see a naked picture of May or NK2000 lately?), but these are worldwide companies, and, more important, this is fighting. A fighter is supposed to have muscle, power, ability, something I just don't see in Sakura and her ilk. I don't mine the occasional teenybopper (hey, I think that word fits, and I'm using it, dammit) for the sake of variety, but filling the entire female side with them? Bad idea.
This probably has to do with " popularity " . A lot of people like that sort of character, so there are lots of them; and besides that, it's a videogame. People are throwing fireballs around, can generate lightning with their bare hands and explode themselves and shit. Why wouldn't a young girl be able to fight? Sorry that companies don't cater to your personal fetishes, DKW.
Besides, I think Crazymike is asking for funny/quirky things, like Nash's complete lack of safety gear in his jet ( he WANTS to die.. ) not a song and dance about what's wrong with the industry.
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| Holiday 1495th Post
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| "Re(2):Funny fighting game quirks" , posted Tue 29 Oct 01:15
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In the PSX Darkstalkers, when Jon Talbain howls in victory, why does he grow a second tail? [Yeah, more of a glitch than a quirk, but still unanswered. ^_^]
That's not his tail he grows! ^_^;;;;
Hmm... funny things? general stuff:
1) how do they even have another round in SoulCalibur after experiencing a ring out from a tall tall structure, or fall into molten lava? hmm... then again, they can survive sword slashes without bleeding...
2) ...or more amazingly, their clothes doesn't get ripped apart ^^
3) why do they stage fights in the strangest of places? (shopping malls, onsen, on the street). what if something happens like um... Terry's Triple Geyser hits a gas line? Mai's flames set a wooden structure on fire? Yamazaki bites a spectator? :)
4) projectiles/energy/flame/auras come in all sorts of colours... pretty!
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5) where does that *wind* come from during that Ryu winpose?
5) it's ok that Mai can hide so many fans, but where in the world does she hide that *umbrella*
6) how does Athena magically change her costume at the beginning of the round? what if she makes a big mistake?
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| DKW
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| "Re(2):My pet peeve things..." , posted Tue 29 Oct 01:23
RB - Frankly, I find it quirky as hell that Sakura Kasugano, Takane Hibiki, a highly girlified Nakoruru, and a blast-from-the-past Athena are in the same game (and the only guy who might be of the age of minority is Rock). The first time I saw all of them in the same match, it was like, "Sheesh, is this a fight or a slumber party?" (Okay, maybe not in so many words, but you get the idea.)
One, not a problem. Two, eh, easy enough to explain away. Four (maybe toss in a stripped-down Yuri while you're at it), and the tournament has some credibility issues, bub.
Okay, may as well mention one of my favorite quirks...something I call the "Unintentionally Silly Ending". This is what happens when the guys doing the writing and the guys setting up the game don't communicate.
A sample of what I'm talking about:
* Leon, Battle Arena Toshinden 3. The ending says, in a nutshell, that he's finally beaten Eiji and now seeks a greater opponent, Sho. Which is weird, considering that his last enemy is...yep, Sho.
* Sorta-Evil Ryu, SFA2. In this game, Evil Ryu is, of course, Ryu after fully discovering his evil intent. (The fact that his dialogue is exactly the same is, of course, just the infamous Capcom laziness.) His ending, it turns out, is the same...right up to the point where Akuma wants him to discover his evil intent!
* Quan Chi, MK4. Okay, so, like, Midway has this thing where if the person who beats Shinnok wants him dead, he's dead, but if not, Shinnok's "death scene" doesn't "really happen". Fair enough. So after Quan beats Shinnok, the rogue god lives. No prob; they were on the same side from the beginning. They exchange words. Things don't go so good. Looks like Quan's not taking Shin's lack of generosity too kindly. Eventually, Shinnok tries to kill him...but fails, because his amulet of power is a fake. Quan then reveals all...he never gave Shin the correct amulet, and sided with him only to eliminate the earth warriors...and then he kills Shinnok. Which means [drumroll] that Shinnok lived even though Quan Chi intended to kill him all along!
Then again, maybe this was just a ploy on Quan's part to lure Shin into a false sense of security. ("What...oh, I'm alive. Yeah, I knew my most trusted sorcerer wouldn't turn on me or anything. Okay, now to give him the bad news, heh heh...")
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| Dr Baghead 1736th Post
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| "Re(3):My pet peeve things..." , posted Tue 29 Oct 20:54
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* Leon, Battle Arena Toshinden 3. The ending says, in a nutshell, that he's finally beaten Eiji and now seeks a greater opponent, Sho. Which is weird, considering that his last enemy is...yep, Sho.
Actually if you meet certain conditions his last enemy is Naru. It's quite possible despite how you play it in the game he never met up with Sho. (for example, when I played MK1 I had Sub-Zero rip Scorpion's spine out... but wait, Scorpion actually KILLS that Sub-Zero! But that can't be because Sub-Zero just killed Scorpion!!)
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* Sorta-Evil Ryu, SFA2. In this game, Evil Ryu is, of course, Ryu after fully discovering his evil intent. (The fact that his dialogue is exactly the same is, of course, just the infamous Capcom laziness.) His ending, it turns out, is the same...right up to the point where Akuma wants him to discover his evil intent!
He's also nothing more then a bonus, Shin Akuma, SF2 style no-power meter characters, more colored costumes Sakura, and different costume Chun-Li don't have different endings either. It's not like SFA3 were he's a different character.
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* Quan Chi, MK4. Okay, so, like, Midway has this thing where if the person who beats Shinnok wants him dead, he's dead, but if not, Shinnok's "death scene" doesn't "really happen". Fair enough. So after Quan beats Shinnok, the rogue god lives. No prob; they were on the same side from the beginning. They exchange words. Things don't go so good. Looks like Quan's not taking Shin's lack of generosity too kindly. Eventually, Shinnok tries to kill him...but fails, because his amulet of power is a fake. Quan then reveals all...he never gave Shin the correct amulet, and sided with him only to eliminate the earth warriors...and then he kills Shinnok. Which means [drumroll] that Shinnok lived even though Quan Chi intended to kill him all along!
Then again, maybe this was just a ploy on Quan's part to lure Shin into a false sense of security. ("What...oh, I'm alive. Yeah, I knew my most trusted sorcerer wouldn't turn on me or anything. Okay, now to give him the bad news, heh heh...")
Do you really think the makers of MK are smart enough to stop the "death scene" from playing? It's really more of a "Congradulations" screen then a "Oh no! Shinnok died!" scene. Pretend like Quan's ending is a "before fight speach" and it all makes sense then.
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| iggy 890th Post
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| "Re(5):My pet peeve things..." , posted Wed 30 Oct 02:44
YeldellGWFull screen supers!
The most impressive thing is that when Kula, Orochi or Zero do their full screen super on a stage with a big croud (like most of the stages of KOF 2001), only the opponent is hit, no one in the background is wounded...
LuisinanLastly, why wasn't Sakura part of Ryu's little pose in his MvC intros. What is that all about! Is Ryu promoting a boy's only karate club? Is he a mysoginist!? He only likes to train and fight with Sean, Ken, Akuma, Alex and Oro. More evidence that Ryu likes to swing the other way?
The most obvious thing about this is that Sakura gets on the nerves of everyone with even the slightest brain excuse. This also why she gets along with Blanka, Dan, Hinata and Natsu.
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| TiamatRoar 289th Post
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| "Re(3):One more" , posted Wed 30 Oct 14:05:
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Huh -- while we're on this issue of similar players in this regard... I never really understood the story between Jon Talbain / Gallon and Dark Gallon. Was there ever an explanation by Capcom on this deal, or does Capcom still have yet to explain it?
Badly translated from All About Vampire Savior:
"As a result of the battle against Pyron, he crushed a curse and regain the shape of a human being but he learned that it is a product of his temporary illusion. After all, it is impossible to clean up one's real nature. His will couldn't change the future. This time, he will confront with a lurk that is the real nature of him in battle of Majigen. "
Layman's terms: Talbain failed to truly free himself of the werewolf curse in DS1. Dark Talbain/Gallon is representation of the beast/curse of the werewolf within Talbain/Gallon, and this time, within Jedah's world Majigen, Talbain is fighting it directly to free himself of it. ....I think. Understanding Engrish isn't one of my fortes.
On a really interesting note, in Vampire Savior canon, catwomen are known to exist by humans and they accept them into their society (so Felicia doesn't have to hide her identity that she's a darkstalker/catwoman while she's being a famous singer, though she still had to overcome a bit of prejudice until she won the hearts of the people as a singer. ...erm, yea)
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| Luisinan
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| "Re(2):One more" , posted Wed 30 Oct 14:33
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Dr. Baghead - Yeah, but Chun Li is Chun Li no matter how she's dressed. Evil Ryu is clearly a different person from regular Ryu, or at least a different kind of person (i.e. evil).
Evil Ryu in reality is Ryu, he's not even really "evil" he's just consumed by his wanting to win and can't control himself.
Basically in SFA2 you're playing as Ryu with different moves 'Evil' Ryu was never meant to be viewed as a seperate character in the game, thast's why you get the same ending.
Or even better! Pretend like Evil Ryu's SFA2 ending is a Flash Back to when he was still regular Ryu and fought Akuma! There we go! Problem Solved!
Good explanation Dr. Baghead, but a different ending still would have been appropriate because Ryu has become a different person. There is only one Ryu, but the two characters offer two distinct paths Ryu could choose to follow.
Which leads into another video game quirk. The fact that Evil Ryu and Regular Ryu have a special intro in the console versions of SFZ3/A3. Now explain that!
Well, you could say that a physical fight between the 'selves' is just a metaphor for his internal struggle. Still, its not fair that Sakura still didn't get a special intro with him. Her very existence as a fighter is dependent on him! And she still doesn't get an intro.
At the very least, Sakura is a better fighter then Shingo, and isn't as completely lost in admiration for her hero like Shingo. But then I think Shingo is a little bit more loveable then Sakura. I guess I am getting tired of that sailor fuku.
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| Ishmael 275th Post
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| "Re(6):Funny fighting game quirks" , posted Thu 31 Oct 10:04
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man, i thought it was just me! i noticed that too. i played games and looked through faqs for "you are weak," and "you cannot escape long death," (yes, that's what i think he's saying. YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT??!?! GOD >_< AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH) and "i'll stain my hands with your blood" but nothing came up. he just says "come on" in SNK's games. oh, and he says "you" in '96
but it's a nice Capcom touch, isn't it? they chose a great voice actor for Geese as well
Besides "You!" and "C'mon!" didn't Geese also say things like "Thunder Break" [or something along those lines] and a few other garbled phrases that might be English, Japanese or some third language that nobody in the world actually speaks? Ah, good old Southtown, the only city in America where everyone either speaks Japanese or Engrish.
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| Luisinan
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| "Re(2):Great 3rd Strike video! Impressive skil" , posted Fri 1 Nov 04:29
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1.) why are chun-li and yun in CvsS 2 ( or any other game for that matter ) talk in japanese to each other? arent they chinese? they should speak chinese!
Yes, but it's because one of them speaks cantonese, and the other one is from Beijin, so to understand each other well, they use the well known international language that is Japanese.
right? right?
I thought Engrish was the common language of the world. I thought SNK Engrish was the common language of the 2D Fighter World.
But Ishmael has a point, Chun knows Japanese and English cause she is an ICPO agent. Makes since. Still, its a little disturbing she speaks so little Chinese.
In actuallity, I don't know what is worse, Engrish or English in a fighting game. I think the reason most characters don't speak in English in a fighter is because it sounds silly. "Hadouken!" sounds a lot better then "fireball!" Having said that, the cast of English speakers in SF3 is good, except for Alex. Alex just has a weak, pimply, pre-pubescent voice. Dudly is great. Rugal in CvS is also good. Geese, Terry and Guile are just plain funny in CvS.
Rice Barrel! I don't even know what the heck he says when does the flash kick super.
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| TiamatRoar 291th Post
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| "Re(3):Great 3rd Strike video! Impressive skil" , posted Fri 1 Nov 14:17
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In actuallity, I don't know what is worse, Engrish or English in a fighting game. I think the reason most characters don't speak in English in a fighter is because it sounds silly. "Hadouken!" sounds a lot better then "fireball!" Having said that, the cast of English speakers in SF3 is good, except for Alex. Alex just has a weak, pimply, pre-pubescent voice. Dudly is great. Rugal in CvS is also good. Geese, Terry and Guile are just plain funny in CvS.
Rice Barrel! I don't even know what the heck he says when does the flash kick super.
Street Fighter 1 used English. Ryu yells Dragon Punch and Dragon Fire instead of Shoryuken and Hadoken, and all the bad guys talk to you in monotone English after the battle. Course, the sound in that game is so horrid that it's mainly good for laughs more than gauging anything...
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| Just a Person 420th Post
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| "Re(1):Funny fighting game quirks" , posted Sat 2 Nov 15:53
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What have been some funny, weird, annoying, whatever things that you have noticed in fighting games? heres some of mine:
Charlie in the endings of Street Fighter Zero 3, piloting a jet without a helmet, suit, and more importantly, oxygen mask
in Mortal Kombat, your not allowed to perform a fatality on four armed freaks and a man in a skeleton suit but you can make little babies blow up @_@
In KOF, why do all fighters who have rivalries i.e Kyo, Iori have to settle things in a tournament, and basically say in their ending something to the effect of "Just wait until next year so and so!" Why doesn't Iori just walk up to Kyo's house, knock on the door, and punch him in the gut?
In Virtua Fighter, why do they try and make it realistic yet the characters seem to float when they jump? (at least in the older ones, haven't played 4)
Great ones,Crazymike !!!
Also,I thought about a funny thing (although it isn't from a fighting game) . In Super Mario World,Mario supposedly meets Yoshi for the first time . But then,in Super Mario World 2 : Yoshi's Island,we find out that when Mario was a baby,he was rescued from Bowser by ... Yoshi !
And then,in Mario Golf and Mario Tennis,Mario is able to compete against ... Baby Mario ! How can he compete against himself ??
Also,in Mario Tennis,there are DK and DK Jr. . Now,according to Nintendo's story,DK Jr. is supposed to be nowadays DK when he was a little monkey,by the time Mario's first girlfriend (it wasn't Peach,nor Daisy) was kidnapped by Cranky Kong (the original Donkey Kong) . So,we have nowadays DK (it couldn't be Cranky because of its good mood) and DK Jr. ... couldn't the game producers just put in it Diddy Kong instead of DK Jr. ?
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| Dr Baghead 1744th Post
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| "Re(2):Funny fighting game quirks" , posted Sun 3 Nov 19:20
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Also,in Mario Tennis,there are DK and DK Jr. . Now,according to Nintendo's story,DK Jr. is supposed to be nowadays DK when he was a little monkey,by the time Mario's first girlfriend (it wasn't Peach,nor Daisy) was kidnapped by Cranky Kong (the original Donkey Kong) . So,we have nowadays DK (it couldn't be Cranky because of its good mood) and DK Jr. ... couldn't the game producers just put in it Diddy Kong instead of DK Jr. ?
I have a theory about DK and DK Jr. being in Mario Tennis...
Okay so, in 1982 Cranky Kong was called "Donkey Kong" and he had a son named "Donkey Kong Jr."
when Donkey Kong Country came out the original DK (who if I might add seems a bit too old to have only aged 12-15 years since DK) is called "Cranky Kong", and we play as an obviously different Donkey Kong (whom we assume is DK Jr.)
actually "assume" is probably wrong... since DK Jr. was in Mario Kart, but when once Donkey Kong Country came out and DK Jr. was replaced by Rare's DK in future Mario games... so this probably means Nintendo decided he should have "grown up" to match Rare's story...
So in Mario Tennis we have a Donkey Kong and a DK Jr.
It's possible the DK Jr. in Mario Tennis is actually "DK the third", his father is DK Jr. (now just Donkey Kong) and his grandfather is Cranky Kong (the first DK)
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