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| TheBeast 1244th Post
 
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|  "High level play?"
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In my opinion the match was quite entertaining, and full of skill.
The Left player made a great use of Goro: He wasn't turtling, he was pressuring madly with his pokes. Both players offered a intense and fast paced match, with little turtling involved (having in mind that in high level play, players usually turtle much more).
For those who says that the Goro player was cheap, that's the way of using Goro correctly, no other. Just pressure with his pokes and make good use of the grabs when the other doesn't expect them. I use him that way, but obviously (because my skill is only average) less efectively.
It is sad, but I have to very much agree with you that "in high level play, players usually turtle much more". In fact, I always love playing with friends rather than strangers, as we don't play a lot of mind games and poking around, and that makes the game more fun.
Perhaps calling a turtle is not appropriate, but how about "not adventurous?". The left player certainly waits for the opponent to make a mistake and pounce on it or keeping a safe distance to poke offensively while maintaining a good defensive space. He isn't a very good Iori and Goro in my opinion, though credits must be given to his Whip. The right player seems to be very much on par with him, and I feel that he lost because he probably didn't fight Goro and Whip often with his Yashiro and Yamazaki.
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| High-Octane
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| "Re(1):High level play?" , posted Mon 28 Oct 08:45
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In my opinion the match was quite entertaining, and full of skill.
The Left player made a great use of Goro: He wasn't turtling, he was pressuring madly with his pokes. Both players offered a intense and fast paced match, with little turtling involved (having in mind that in high level play, players usually turtle much more).
For those who says that the Goro player was cheap, that's the way of using Goro correctly, no other. Just pressure with his pokes and make good use of the grabs when the other doesn't expect them. I use him that way, but obviously (because my skill is only average) less efectively.
It is sad, but I have to very much agree with you that "in high level play, players usually turtle much more". In fact, I always love playing with friends rather than strangers, as we don't play a lot of mind games and poking around, and that makes the game more fun.
Perhaps calling a turtle is not appropriate, but how about "not adventurous?". The left player certainly waits for the opponent to make a mistake and pounce on it or keeping a safe distance to poke offensively while maintaining a good defensive space. He isn't a very good Iori and Goro in my opinion, though credits must be given to his Whip. The right player seems to be very much on par with him, and I feel that he lost because he probably didn't fight Goro and Whip often with his Yashiro and Yamazaki.
Forgive me... but over here... we don't really like pokers... If people here use Goro, they use combos with slams or as a counter... never just walk about using light and heavy kicks
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| Jason
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| "Re(1):Crazy ROTD combo.... + KOF2k2 tourny vi" , posted Mon 28 Oct 14:44:
wait, perhaps I'm missing something, but how can people not like poking and expect to land combos in most modern fighting games? One does not simply saunter on over to ones opponent and throw out any old cancelable move expceting it to connect, you have to play them, because they're doing the same to you. No mind games? wha? might as well just go into training and beat up on the lifeless dummy. I mean, I thought the whole point of playing other people was to experience the mind games that just can't be emulated by the computer. Sure, big ol' combos are swell, but playing only for them is like saying "I don't play chess to win, I just like setting up the en passant capture." And if that's your thing, cool, aweseome, happy to hear it, but there's no need to talk down about people who are trying to win. To them, it's obviously not boring or they wouldn't be doing it, yes?
-Jason
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| emeraldazn
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| "Re(2):Crazy ROTD combo.... + KOF2k2 tourny vi" , posted Mon 28 Oct 14:57
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wait, perhaps I'm missing something, but how can people not like poking and expect to land combos in most modern fighting games? One does not simply saunter on over to ones opponent and throw out any old cancelable move expceting it to connect, you have to play them, because they're doing the same to you. No mind games? wha? might as well just go into training and beat up on the lifeless dummy. I mean, I thought the whole point of playing other people was to experience the mind games that just can't be emulated by the computer. Sure, big ol' combos are swell, but playing only for them is like saying "I don't play chess to win, I just like setting up the en passant capture." And if that's your thing, cool, aweseome, happy to hear it, but there's no need to talk down about people who are trying to win. To them, it's obviously not boring or they wouldn't be doing it, yes?
good post, but there are some people who want to do both en passant and win.
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| TheBeast 1247th Post
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| "Re(2):Crazy ROTD combo.... + KOF2k2 tourny vi" , posted Tue 29 Oct 06:08
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wait, perhaps I'm missing something, but how can people not like poking and expect to land combos in most modern fighting games? One does not simply saunter on over to ones opponent and throw out any old cancelable move expceting it to connect, you have to play them, because they're doing the same to you. No mind games? wha? might as well just go into training and beat up on the lifeless dummy. I mean, I thought the whole point of playing other people was to experience the mind games that just can't be emulated by the computer. Sure, big ol' combos are swell, but playing only for them is like saying "I don't play chess to win, I just like setting up the en passant capture." And if that's your thing, cool, aweseome, happy to hear it, but there's no need to talk down about people who are trying to win. To them, it's obviously not boring or they wouldn't be doing it, yes?
Eh no, I am not saying that it is ridiculous to play mind games and poking at high level play. If you look at the video the left player doesn't do much offensive, and THAT I feel isn't playing KOF at all. Just like what High-Octane described, I've seen much better and competitive Iori and Goro. It is just as simple as that.
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