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TheBeast

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"KOF2002 Chang's Hidden SDM..." , posted Wed 23 Oct 06:48

For those who have played KOF2002...

I've seen something of shock horror today... Chang's Hidden SDM is unstoppable 100% sure hit?? Some human player excute the move, and the start of the move is Chang doing his "Shake-your-body" taunt, and at this point the CPU tried to attack him in all directions, but he just didn't get hit!! Then, the CPU just froze while Chang does his SDM, and when Chang finished with it, half of CPU life is gone...

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Fro Boy11

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"Re(1):KOF2002 Chang's Hidden SDM..." , posted Wed 23 Oct 07:00

quote:
For those who have played KOF2002...

I've seen something of shock horror today... Chang's Hidden SDM is unstoppable 100% sure hit?? Some human player excute the move, and the start of the move is Chang doing his "Shake-your-body" taunt, and at this point the CPU tried to attack him in all directions, but he just didn't get hit!! Then, the CPU just froze while Chang does his SDM, and when Chang finished with it, half of CPU life is gone...

Damn! I didn't like Chang before already. I'm really not liking him now.

Toxico

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"Toxico" , posted Wed 23 Oct 07:19

quote:
For those who have played KOF2002...

I've seen something of shock horror today... Chang's Hidden SDM is unstoppable 100% sure hit?? Some human player excute the move, and the start of the move is Chang doing his "Shake-your-body" taunt, and at this point the CPU tried to attack him in all directions, but he just didn't get hit!! Then, the CPU just froze while Chang does his SDM, and when Chang finished with it, half of CPU life is gone...

Really??? AoF 3 had several of these "unstopable moves" there it was always a way out, sometimes it was really weird (crouching, being hit at a certain distance)... I would have to suffer the move to come up with something...

Damn.

High-Octane
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"Funky twist your body dance!" , posted Wed 23 Oct 08:54

quote:
For those who have played KOF2002...

I've seen something of shock horror today... Chang's Hidden SDM is unstoppable 100% sure hit?? Some human player excute the move, and the start of the move is Chang doing his "Shake-your-body" taunt, and at this point the CPU tried to attack him in all directions, but he just didn't get hit!! Then, the CPU just froze while Chang does his SDM, and when Chang finished with it, half of CPU life is gone...

Really??? AoF 3 had several of these "unstopable moves" there it was always a way out, sometimes it was really weird (crouching, being hit at a certain distance)... I would have to suffer the move to come up with something...

Damn.

Well... what TheBeast said is kinda true... Seen people executing it here... somehow he appears "invisible" to all hits... I still believe there is a way to counter it... Hmmm

Power is losing control... UWAHHhhhhHhh!
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TheBeast

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"Stop the pig!" , posted Wed 23 Oct 09:08

I've not tried to counter the move, but here are some solutions to try should someone encounter it...

1. Try to slam the pig when he does the body dance...

2. Try to stay in the air instead of on the ground.

3. At all costs prevent him from doing the SDM when he is at max mode....aggressive offensive play.

It still gives me nightmares to think that Chang has been given an unblockable, unstoppable, 100% sure hit SDM...

Dragon-warrior

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"Re(1):Stop the pig!" , posted Wed 23 Oct 10:51

doesn't the roll solve the problem?

Juke Joint Jezebel

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"hmmmmmmm" , posted Wed 23 Oct 13:22

i will watch the video in a moment to see exactly what you guys are talking about, but here's a suggestion
will throwing him work?

it annoyed me when people found out how to stop my galactica ... PHANTOM!!!

-_-

Burning Kyo

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"Re(1):KOF2002 Chang's Hidden SDM..." , posted Wed 23 Oct 15:58

You should try to jump or roll behind him when he's doing his "Shake-your-body" taunt ...
I don't think there's other solutions, 'cause during his taunt, Chang is invincible.

"Teme no hono wa nani iro da ?"

Chupiler

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"Re(2):KOF2002 Chang's Hidden SDM..." , posted Wed 23 Oct 22:50

Throw. All you have to do is throw. He is invincible to all other hits. You have enough time to run all the way from the other side and throw him, though.

Grynn
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"Re(1):Toxico" , posted Thu 24 Oct 05:45

quote:

Really??? AoF 3 had several of these "unstopable moves" there it was always a way out, sometimes it was really weird (crouching, being hit at a certain distance)... I would have to suffer the move to come up with something...

Damn.

The only unstoppable move I could think of was Ryo or Robert's Ryokou ranbu on a rising opponent...
Were there other things?

Yare Yare ^_^'

Toxico

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"He he...." , posted Thu 24 Oct 08:16

quote:

The only unstoppable move I could think of was Ryo or Robert's Ryokou ranbu on a rising opponent...
Were there other things?

They where tons of them, for exmaple Rody Birts DM after a juggle including his db + B sweeps... Nasty, there it was also his fwd, bk, fwd throw... It has a range that every glapper would roth for, even Condor's 360° (Breakers) & Ryoko's Hcf/Hcb + P (Fighters History Dynamite or Mizguchi game) are no match for it.

The throw could be prepared with some fwd + A, there it was also Wang's throw (fwd, bk + A), not to mention moves with Jin's invisibility...

They where more than I recall, but for all of them I found wys to escape (on the Ryo/Roberts example you can use one of your character's recovery moves)...

This poest brings some memories... I had to travel for a few towns to lpay AoF and from all those players I was the only one who could properly play the game... Ha Ha Ha.

High-Octane
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"Re(1):He he...." , posted Thu 24 Oct 08:46

quote:

The only unstoppable move I could think of was Ryo or Robert's Ryokou ranbu on a rising opponent...
Were there other things?

They where tons of them, for exmaple Rody Birts DM after a juggle including his db + B sweeps... Nasty, there it was also his fwd, bk, fwd throw... It has a range that every glapper would roth for, even Condor's 360° (Breakers) & Ryoko's Hcf/Hcb + P (Fighters History Dynamite or Mizguchi game) are no match for it.

The throw could be prepared with some fwd + A, there it was also Wang's throw (fwd, bk + A), not to mention moves with Jin's invisibility...

They where more than I recall, but for all of them I found wys to escape (on the Ryo/Roberts example you can use one of your character's recovery moves)...

This poest brings some memories... I had to travel for a few towns to lpay AoF and from all those players I was the only one who could properly play the game... Ha Ha Ha.

How about doing your own HSDM?
Hmm... what if two Changs do their HSDMs at the same time???

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RugalBernstein

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"Re(1):He he...." , posted Thu 24 Oct 08:51

quote:

This poest brings some memories... I had to travel for a few towns to lpay AoF and from all those players I was the only one who could properly play the game... Ha Ha Ha.

Damn, I wish I could play you in AOF 3 some time, Toxico.. >_< You are the only other person I know who made an effort to learn what's going on in that game.

Toxico

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"Re(2):He he...." , posted Thu 24 Oct 09:06

quote:

Damn, I wish I could play you in AOF 3 some time, Toxico.. >_< You are the only other person I know who made an effort to learn what's going on in that game.

Whenever I play an AoF I always try to show other people smooth movements such as the ones of the waves... Or pale colours such as a delightful rainbow... I have plans to do so in Buriki One when I found a more profitable job than doing other people's homeworks...

But in AoF 2 was impossible LoL...

I would like to see you play on Magician Lord, from where I am standing surviving more than 2 stages seems an impossible feat.

About Chang hSDM... It matters not if it is an inblockable move, a DM a SMD or even death itself.... There it is nothing that a Bunket Buster can not destroy.

Obscene Voodoo Dance Teleport.

TheBeast

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"Re(3):He he...." , posted Thu 24 Oct 09:17

quote:

Damn, I wish I could play you in AOF 3 some time, Toxico.. >_< You are the only other person I know who made an effort to learn what's going on in that game.

Whenever I play an AoF I always try to show other people smooth movements such as the ones of the waves... Or pale colours such as a delightful rainbow... I have plans to do so in Buriki One when I found a more profitable job than doing other people's homeworks...

But in AoF 2 was impossible LoL...

Hmmmmmmm I thought AOF2 had rather impressive graphics too....going by 1994 standard of course.

I always point out to people that SNK always pay attention to details, like making the effort to put lace on Yuri's bra...

Monkey didn't tell you that.

Toxico

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"Re(4):He he...." , posted Thu 24 Oct 09:50

quote:
Hmmmmmmm I thought AOF2 had rather impressive graphics too....going by 1994 standard of course.

I always point out to people that SNK always pay attention to details, like making the effort to put lace on Yuri's bra...

Monkey didn't tell you that.

Yes the graphics where impressive, but what I'm talking about is about gameplay (smoothness of the waves and all that crap)... It was impossible...

I guess that your body needs sugar.

Monkey told you that

Obscene Voodoo Dance Teleport

Chupiler

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"Re(5):He he...." , posted Thu 24 Oct 11:05

My main complaint in Ryuuko Gaiden: everyone's super was unblockable except for Kasumi's! Her Chou-Kasene-ate was blockable dammit! That's why I ended up playing as Karman and Fuwa...

Green Herring
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"Re(6):He he...." , posted Thu 24 Oct 15:51

quote:
My main complaint in Ryuuko Gaiden: everyone's super was unblockable except for Kasumi's! Her Chou-Kasene-ate was blockable dammit! That's why I ended up playing as Karman and Fuwa...

Um, you can block Jin Fuha's super too, y'know... Just thought I'd mention it before it's too late.

- The Green Herring

Toxico

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"Re(6):He he...." , posted Thu 24 Oct 16:21

quote:
My main complaint in Ryuuko Gaiden: everyone's super was unblockable except for Kasumi's! Her Chou-Kasene-ate was blockable dammit! That's why I ended up playing as Karman and Fuwa...

At least you could use it to start juggles (unless you charge it to "level 3"; when the damage is greatly increased), but managing the impact was a nightmare.

Monkey told you that...

RugalBernstein

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"Re(3):He he...." , posted Thu 24 Oct 23:10

quote:

I would like to see you play on Magician Lord, from where I am standing surviving more than 2 stages seems an impossible feat.

Here's a trick in the second stage: Don't bother with the " side areas "; just go straight to the end. If you try and get all the treasure the " big green thing that comes down and kills you and you can't do anything about it " will show up, and will.. well... kill you. Getting some treasure is good, but it's too risky in the second stage ( the areas are too big )

Chupiler

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"Re(7):He he...." , posted Thu 24 Oct 23:47

quote:

Um, you can block Jin Fuha's super too, y'know... Just thought I'd mention it before it's too late.

Yeah, but I played Fuwa for the pure fact that he is THE most un-ninja-like ninja that there is :P

Grynn
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"Re(3):He he...." , posted Fri 25 Oct 05:14:

quote:

Damn, I wish I could play you in AOF 3 some time, Toxico.. >_< You are the only other person I know who made an effort to learn what's going on in that game.

Cool to find other people to appreciate AOF3 ^_^
Nobody wanted to play this game with me

Yare Yare ^_^'

[this message was edited by Grynn on Fri 25 Oct 05:15]

Taa kun

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"Re(4):He he...." , posted Fri 25 Oct 05:41

quote:

Cool to find other people to appreciate AOF3 ^_^
Nobody wanted to play this game with me

Hey, what about me...
It's not the game that I don't appreciate, it's your style of play... (I'm joking as usual with you, my friend)

By the way, what about the ryukouranbu bugs in the NeoGeoCd version of AOF3 : all you need to be safe against them is to leave the stick neutral and don't touch a button, it will stop right near you...

Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
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Toxico

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"Re(5):He he...." , posted Fri 25 Oct 06:30

quote:
By the way, what about the ryukouranbu bugs in the NeoGeoCd version of AOF3 : all you need to be safe against them is to leave the stick neutral and don't touch a button, it will stop right near you...

I haven't tested, after all; seeing the enemy rushing towards me quickly just force me to jab them out of the move & follow with one of my preference juggles, after all; the Ranbu has no priority, as many other move.

I am glad to see that people still remember the game... My friends always turn their expression to disgust everytime the game comes out on a conversation.

YeldellGW

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"Re(1):KOF2002 Chang's Hidden SDM..." , posted Sat 26 Oct 21:24

quote:
I've seen something of shock horror today... Chang's Hidden SDM is unstoppable 100% sure hit?? Some human player excute the move, and the start of the move is Chang doing his "Shake-your-body" taunt, and at this point the CPU tried to attack him in all directions, but he just didn't get hit!! Then, the CPU just froze while Chang does his SDM, and when Chang finished with it, half of CPU life is gone...

Considering all the other unnecessary crap Chang was given (And yes, Autoguard's on the top on the list.), this isn't really a surprise to me.

I was more surprised he actually lost his autoguard in KOF 2001 in the 1st place.

Puar

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"Lost Autoguard?" , posted Sun 27 Oct 04:13

quote:
I've seen something of shock horror today... Chang's Hidden SDM is unstoppable 100% sure hit?? Some human player excute the move, and the start of the move is Chang doing his "Shake-your-body" taunt, and at this point the CPU tried to attack him in all directions, but he just didn't get hit!! Then, the CPU just froze while Chang does his SDM, and when Chang finished with it, half of CPU life is gone...

Considering all the other unnecessary crap Chang was given (And yes, Autoguard's on the top on the list.), this isn't really a surprise to me.

I was more surprised he actually lost his autoguard in KOF 2001 in the 1st place.

Did he lose ALL of his Autogaurd of just some of it? For some reason, I thought he had it on some moves still. Possibly QCB+C?

"You should get to know me better

no one's every what they seem..."

YeldellGW

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"Re(1):Lost Autoguard?" , posted Sun 27 Oct 06:38

quote:
Did he lose ALL of his Autogaurd of just some of it? For some reason, I thought he had it on some moves still. Possibly QCB+C?

To the best of my knowledge, Chang has no autoguard at all in KOF 2001.

Fro Boy11

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"Re(2):Lost Autoguard?" , posted Sun 27 Oct 08:51

quote:
Did he lose ALL of his Autogaurd of just some of it? For some reason, I thought he had it on some moves still. Possibly QCB+C?

To the best of my knowledge, Chang has no autoguard at all in KOF 2001.

Does Kyo have his autoguard in KOF2001?

Burning Kyo

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"Re(3):Lost Autoguard?" , posted Sun 27 Oct 09:22

quote:
Does Kyo have his autoguard in KOF2001?

Only for his qcf A.

"Teme no hono wa nani iro da ?"